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Grapplejack posted:There's zero way that study passed any sort of ethical review and they're probably going to get suspended or worse over it ethics boards give much less of a poo poo than you think they do, it lists all the IRBs it passed on the first page
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Jul 10, 2019 16:25
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:hearts and minds: wow can't believe people in a general strike are stopping people from going to work, scary stuff
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Aug 5, 2019 14:14
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sincx posted:Looks like a scene from a Jackie Chan movie. the best part is the triads lost on their own turf lol
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Aug 5, 2019 14:25
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cargo cult posted:the triads are working for the CCP? didn't gangsters serve as like death squads for the nationalists in the 30s or whatever? its been a while since i learned any of this sorry they struck a deal at the time of the handover. this is from the time https://www.independent.co.uk/news/triads-and-china-do-hong-kong-deal-1261085.html not like corrupt cops were invented by the CCP either, they still have British people who've been around since pre-1997 coordinating the riot response like this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Dover
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Aug 5, 2019 14:36
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:if your beef is with Beijing what good does inconveniencing your own commuters do? that’s like blocking I-90 to protest Chinese aggression good point, we should shuttle protesters into Beijing
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Aug 5, 2019 14:49
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it's interesting how the main arguments against the protesters atm are that they were damaging property, they were disrespectful to national symbols, they were preventing people getting to their jobs, and they were being mean to cops. really makes you think.
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Aug 5, 2019 20:13
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:nobody ever made those arguments. how about the blackshirts are randomly beating up Hong Kong citizens? how about they’ve been caught on camera changing out of white shirts into black ones? Hey guy, lest we forget you yourself literally repeated one of those arguments on the last page CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:hearts and minds:
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Aug 5, 2019 21:15
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caberham posted:you know what happened last night huh. lol which hkpf press confs aren't a giant mess now
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Aug 12, 2019 16:18
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uncop posted:Genius, let's build a theory of history from a premise that's the exact opposite of what's historically true. the key Marxist tenet that if something happens historically then it's good and will carry on happening forever
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Aug 21, 2019 14:03
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Lightning Knight posted:Sounds like the cops, op. I bet they’re using American made equipment too lol. They are. And British.
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Sep 1, 2019 07:59
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This happens regularly but managed to see in real time today - deranged anti-China tweet from a sub 10k follower news account with a few dozen interactions at the time instantly pushed to trending by Twitter: https://twitter.com/InsiderAsia/status/1452289830939996171 Worth clicking through to see what they're whining about lol (tech companies being fined and "state intervention")
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Oct 24, 2021 19:20
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The obsession with 89 in the West is interesting because in western discourse it exists only as an abstract concept completely detached from real history, so you can get people simultaneously bemoaning how Xi has abandoned Deng's legacy while going on endlessly about Tiananmen (or even forecasting "another Tiananmen" in Hong kong back in 2019)
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Dec 29, 2021 02:47
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crepeface posted:i'm sure all the biggest morons are the ones that get platformed on western media but idk how prevalent the attitude actually is. i know there was a general stereotype of mainlanders being rude and unmannered in the way that "new money" is and the language difference didn't help. HK losing its unique position as an entry into the mainland and its subsequent economic power dropping on the global scale along with leftover british bullshit like the horrible housing market and getting the same "market good!" education most of the west did is a big problem. at least among moderately well-off people it is really loving prevalent. e.g. in 2015 there was a big protest by the localist groups because the government had made noises about giving residency to a 12-year-old mainlander who'd been living in the city undocumented since he was 3 (the Siu Yau-wai case), they wanted him to be deported and eventually he was forced to leave the city. stuff calling mainlanders bugs and locusts, anchor baby scares and the like were pretty normal since way before occupy central. my personal experience was that the last time I was in HK in 2017-18 one of literally the first things I saw after leaving the airport was a guy screaming at someone calling him a mainlander oval office, and when I was still involved in anti-china stuff at that time I had dinners with activists who would call mainlanders monkeys, dirty and uncivilised etc
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Dec 29, 2021 13:26
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Ardennes posted:That said, in many ways I don’t think it is that different than parts of the West where xenophobia of an other (who happens in this case to be the same ethnicity in the same nation) is stirred up to distract from serious issues (housing) in society for the benefit of the local elite. kind of agree, back in 2014 I helped write a white paper, probably now long disappeared into the ether, which recommended that HK activists would probably accomplish more by toning down anti-mainlander stuff and pitching political reform as part of a broader set of social and economic policies which could complement Xi's political direction. I was pretty much told in response that China will never touch HK's economy, mainlanders are too evil/stupid for this to work etc. I think the events since then more or less vindicated what I thought then -- localists went all-in on anti-China stuff, accomplished exactly zero of their political demands and Xi is moving ahead with economic reforms without them. I think there's more to it than just external enemies being easier to talk about than structural stuff, the sense of superiority to other Chinese people is v deeply engrained in HK culture and a lot of the political deterioration in HK came from anxiety at losing this status.
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Dec 30, 2021 00:54
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Literally the second paragraph "Baerbock also said she won't attend the Beijing Winter Olympics in February. Yet she made clear that her decision was personal and not the official line of the German government, and that German foreign ministers usually don't attend Olympic games."
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Dec 30, 2021 19:36
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Germany's foreign policy line is set in the chancellor's office and not the foreign ministry, so I wouldn't put too much weight on baerbock popping off -- scholtz doesn't seem to want to rock the boat on China. merkel already had a similar thing with maas to some extent. also I don't think the diplomatic boycott is going to expand much, if they were able to add more countries to make the tiny turnout less embarrassing they would've done it by now. in the EU even the czechs with a more or less overtly anti-china govt have refused to join. Japan was the best shot for another big participants and even they ended up just hedging their bets.
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Dec 30, 2021 19:45
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Ardennes posted:Baerbock is going to continually push Scholtz in a more and more awkward position and she knows that the government depend on Green votes. in principle yeah but foreign policy is also generally the single least democratic part of executive decision-making pretty much everywhere in the west and there are a lot of outcomes short of germany becoming a state department puppet
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Dec 30, 2021 19:56
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dead gay comedy forums posted:going by that, it seems to me that the cpc is actually somewhat lenient to hong kong than appears otherwise to the west a lot of mainland chinese hate hkers and it's easy to understand why if you think about it from their perspective -- it's a city that's supposedly in your country but still talked about by white people as if it's a colony, which you need an internal visa to visit and, when you do, you'll get treated like poo poo by people calling you bugs and throwing ww2-era racial slurs around. so in that sense the government response is sort of limited compared to what a lot of mainlanders would want, which would be to just abolish all its special privileges and expropriate the tycoons. also why it was a lol that there were people in 2019 who thought the protests had any chance of spreading to the rest of China. it's lenient when you compare it to mainstream public opinion in China. and going off what I said earlier about how westerners seem to never consider that tiananmen happened under Deng while they complain that Xi isn't like Deng, well, it's notable that he didn't crack down in HK in the way Deng probably would have
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Dec 30, 2021 20:32
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Mirello posted:lol @ this post doing huge numbers on reddit:https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/rsf7k0/aftermath_of_when_the_tanks_left/ I saw a post of a porn video claiming it was from an Uyghur concentration camp get hundreds of upvotes on Reddit one time and people pointing it out were called CCP shills lol
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Dec 31, 2021 12:33
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/1477179213463621635?s=20 Cai xia is interesting in that when you've read around it's q obvious that all the stuff she writes is just by-the-numbers invocation of whatever the current favoured China watcher memes are, no matter how incoherent or implausible they are when brought together. there's literally nothing in it, even the anecdotes, which you can't also find in generic natsec China scare books with red dragon covers. The fact that that's the best a supposed insider can bring to the table really helps demonstrate a. the China grift in general and b. how little knowledge of China anyone in western policy circles actually now has in the 2020s (the obliteration of the US intel network didn't help!)
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Jan 1, 2022 19:49
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Zedhe Khoja posted:Western policy circles have rarely had a grasp on any of the regions they've meddled in. A group of scholars figured out in the 2010s that the American government generally, and the CIA specifically, had no repository of Taliban primary sources (newspapers legal rulings memoirs poetry etc) despite their wide availability within Afghanistan, and not a single one of the former agents and "Taliban experts" they interviewed had ever read any. yeah you have a point. I do think the situation with china is particularly bad, there's definitely been a generational change when you compare people like Chas Freeman (who worked for Nixon) with the Matt Pottinger types ruling the roost today who are basically morons
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Jan 1, 2022 20:12
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Dan wang is a mixed bag imo but his yearly letters are still leagues ahead of anything you'll see in the economist or whatever so they're worth reading through. some of my gripes: the dead hand of socialist Beijing vs. liberal free-thinking Shanghai/Guangdong stuff -- "Shanghai and Shenzhen are creating wealth and leisure; Beijing is trying to lift their gaze towards its banner of utopia" etc. -- is to a large extent just a lazy stereotype, and the Beijing/DC comparison is off the mark -- DC isn't a combo political / manufacturing / high tech centre like the Beijing area is, it was never intended to be and doesn't have the feedback effects of Beijing where government administrators are directly in touch with industry and tech on a day-to-day basis. just based on personal experience the contrast between liberal southerners and authoritarian northerners seems to have been scrambled to a large extent -- a lot of the hardcore nationalists I've spoken to are in places like Zhejiang and Guangdong, most of the pro-west liberal types are from Beijing. also don't think the Pearl River area and shanghai can be conflated in the way he does. Shanghai is a financial centre, not of real production in the way Shenzhen is, and Shanghai's cultural scene is also increasingly financialised much like HK's has been. there are contrasts between Beijing, Shanghai and SZ/the Delta which are worth drawing out but they don't really correspond to the picture that Wang sketches here. his comments about global hostility to china betray a sort of liberal status anxiety I think -- china psychosis is primarily an anglo thing, to a lesser extent a western and european thing, and barely visible in the global south. plenty of people in SE Asia don't like china, eg, but the reasons are generally grounded in specific long-running political issues rather than the general anxiety and anger in the anglophone world. in other places that never feature in the rising hostility to China stories (like the Arab world according to polls from last year) China's public image remains much better than the West's. I don't think at all that "the party-state really seems to believe that the rest of the world must love China because of its economic growth". my impression is instead that most of the people dealing with stuff think with varying degrees of explicitness that Anglos will ultimately hate a China that challenges their status no matter what and it's better to be feared than seen with contempt. from that perspective there are other people that China can focus on being "lovable" to. I generally disagree with the culture stuff. again, I think his comments there say more about his own personal commitments and the sorts of people he knows than the country itself -- a kind of River Elegy perspective that if it's not churning out cultural products that specifically appeal to the West (or just America) then it must be "stagnant". if it's just a complaint about China lacking a global cultural industrial policy with big economic rewards like south korea's that's one thing, but in the context of the huge ferment of writing on the chinese internet, the booming art scenes in beijing xiamen etc.. talking about "cultural stunting" or how the government "ground down the country’s creative capacity" just seems insulting and ignorant. and if we are reducing culture to profit, the fact that something obvious but foreign to the boomer-liberal mindset like Genshin Impact doesn't feature on the list of successful Chinese cultural products seems quite telling
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Jan 1, 2022 21:26
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/yeongno3/status/1477301729565855744?s=20 the stilted english name + chinese surname combo is a cherished hk tradition
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Jan 1, 2022 21:41
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 https://twitter.com/RobertSkvarla/status/1495374284323278851?s=20&t=6TSgBHvVQ3aEAucXprU8WA
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Feb 20, 2022 13:34
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not sure if it was mentioned here at the time but the OSCE report for the 18th says Ukrainian police denied them access to the kindergarten that was shelled and they couldn’t determine the origin of the munition
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Feb 20, 2022 14:42
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met someone from a rich chinese family who was complaining about how terrible the mainland is now and her go to example was that the government had opened some places where they give food to poor people
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Oct 26, 2023 12:31
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must be serious if he's meeting the real power brokers
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Nov 16, 2023 14:42
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Votskomit posted:I know someone who works in Hong Kong sometimes (can you guess his profession?) And he says the whites there tell him they're no longer having political discussions because they're afraid of being informed on. This kind of poo poo is near-100% white guy main character syndrome lol. my general rule of thumb having been far too near HK finance bro circles is that the more people act like their Every Word Is Monitored and they're dystopian sf protagonists or whatever the less likely they are to know what they're talking about I still have a vivid memory of a fairly well placed economist in 2019, who has written for the FT, telling me in secret about how their HK government contacts had told them secretly that the PLA would be mowing down people in the street in a few days and everyone I know needs to leave HK immediately!! (nothing happened and they moved onto another china inside story grift) Being around this kind of person drove me down an anti-china rabbit hole back in the day which happily I eventually got out of by talking to people in china instead
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Jan 28, 2024 23:28
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skooma512 posted:I was reading the Reuters story of the Tiktok ban vote today and one of the congressmen called China an adversary. Biden has repeatedly said the US must be #1 forever and a Trump-era Pentagon memo explicitly stated that the key factor is China being the US's first non-white competitor so no need to speculate
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Mar 8, 2024 02:03
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skooma512 posted:Got a link to that memo? Sorry, misremembered on two counts, it was the State Dept and a talk not a memo: https://www.newsweek.com/china-threat-state-department-race-caucasian-1413202 I confused it with this weird Pentagon memo about the "strategic consequences of Chinese racism": https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/...20%20201301.pdf
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Mar 8, 2024 02:14
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Surprisingly decent (+ short) no-nonsense piece in Foreign Affairs debunking the western narrative about the Chinese economy: https://archive.is/T92lBquote:Several misconceptions undergird the pessimism about China’s economic potential. Take the widely held misconception that the Chinese economy’s progress in converging with the size of the U.S. economy has stalled. It is true that from 2021 to 2023, China’s GDP fell from 76 percent of U.S. GDP to 67 percent. Yet it is also true that by 2023, China’s GDP was 20 percent bigger than it had been in 2019, the eve of the global pandemic, while the United States’ was only 8 percent bigger.
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Apr 2, 2024 22:43
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The thing about the FT is that their head of data is a tech bro grifter who's done things like write an article claiming that he'd proven Spain fell behind on industrialisation because it didn't have an optimistic outlook based on Google books stats for the word "progress" in the 17th century, so it's incompetence as well as malice
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Apr 8, 2024 09:17
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genuinely surprised this isn't real
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Apr 8, 2024 11:10
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https://twitter.com/FT/status/1783415157135183955?t=QQxGthXyLvGkarJC7ROvRQ&s=19 in which the ft whines that Bytedance is doing terrifying oriental stuff like... encouraging employees to learn mandarin so they can work with chinese counterparts better
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Apr 26, 2024 03:51
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Ardennes posted:It is kind of a shame because there is plenty going on that is interesting both in the US and globally, but the thread is pretty chaotic, jammed with "big" personalities. Was looking for a place to rent in london (lol) last year and the main effect of the Elizabeth line was just to push up prices in the suburbs it touches to near city centre levels afaict
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Apr 27, 2024 11:50
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