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Firos posted:I love this front page so much I just wish you could make a better "Works on contingency? No, money down!" joke with it
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Junior G-man posted:How Meghan Markle might bring the royals closer to Christ the King
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Oh great here's Matt Frei in Dublin again.
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Random Integer posted:I always enjoy the scare quotes around "unelected" in "unelected Lords". Like this factual description is some kind of shocking, damning revelation. whether its Lords, international law, the judiciary, the EU parliament, the EU commission, it's all just a dogwhistle that they lack the queens divine right to rule through parliament
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Bloody unelected gods going around divinely appointing monarchs.
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I feel like you could make an argument that the lords are elected, they're elected by the electors, which is to say whoever the queen wants to listen to.
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I've always found the use of scare quotes in that headline odd, actually, even in the context of The Mail. Like, surely not using quotes around "unelected" would better represent their position on said lords (that they're actually not elected and that there's no further nuance to explore). Ditto "game-playing" - I thought their position was that the remainers were just playing political games? Putting quotes around that suggests the description is not entirely warranted or accurate.
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I think they just habitually put quotes around "racy" terminology, anything a bit too "strongly worded". Though of course they do that arbitrarily.
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I think it's because having quotation marks often associates the object of the sentence with derision rather than dismissing whatever is within the quotation marks. It turns a descriptor into an insult. I mean you can hear the quotation marks around "so-called" Islamic State whenever the BBC says it.
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In newsprint it can also imply that they're just echoing from someone else's statements, which will be written in full in the main article, and are thus not the arbitrary opinions of the DM, because it's not my fault if someone else said that the Mail are 'fascist pricks' and should be 'thrown in the sea'.
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It's also a good sock puppet trick. Claim there are 'calls' for something, imply there's some popular outrage, and then stick your own opinions in quotes ^^^ yeah that 
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crispix posted:Oh great here's Matt Frei in Dublin again. I'm extremely biased here, but every Irish contributor is making rational and coherent arguments, and every British contributor is talking complete arse. Starting to suspect there's some kind of contagious brain-parasite afflicting the British political class
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Guavanaut posted:He almost makes a compelling case for Christian Anarchism, or liberation theology, or at least nailing monarchs to bits of wood, but stops at the last minute. You read that thing?  How'd you even get past the author's portrait
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Talking complete arse is how we communicate without the Irish being able to understand.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I'm extremely biased here, but every Irish contributor is making rational and coherent arguments, and every British contributor is talking complete arse. Starting to suspect there's some kind of contagious brain-parasite afflicting the British political class Soundbite Matt Frei
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OwlFancier posted:Talking complete arse is how we communicate without the Irish being able to understand. I have to admit it's pretty effective. Matt Frei seems to be going full Euroskeptic for the sake of devils advocacy I guess?
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There is a slight downside in that quite a lot of the British can't understand it either. Also a slightly bigger downside is that apparently quite a few people can understand it and it influences policy.
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baka kaba posted:It's also a good sock puppet trick. Claim there are 'calls' for something, imply there's some popular outrage, and then stick your own opinions in quotes when did the treacherous surrender to unreasonable 'European' demands become a sensible financial deal
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:when did the treacherous surrender to unreasonable 'European' demands become a sensible financial deal We have always been leaving the European Union and forming a trade deal with Oceania.
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baka kaba posted:It's also a good sock puppet trick. Claim there are 'calls' for something, imply there's some popular outrage, and then stick your own opinions in quotes Not that the Mail would ever run a non-deceptive normal headline.
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That debate was a real IQ shrinker. It was great to see the incredulity of the British panelists when one of the Irish informed them that RoI only sends 14% of its exports to the UK. Perhaps Britannia does not in fact rule the waves?
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:when did the treacherous surrender to unreasonable 'European' demands become a sensible financial deal No now it's good and things are definitely moving ahead, excellent negotiation by the UK team as usual. Remoaners just want the moon on a stick!
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namesake posted:I think it's because having quotation marks often associates the object of the sentence with derision rather than dismissing whatever is within the quotation marks. It turns a descriptor into an insult. They do it with "so-called" national living wage too right? Right??
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i'm glad america has decided to destroy its economy before brexit destroys ours
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Jose posted:i'm glad america has decided to destroy its economy before brexit destroys ours What are they doing?
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OwlFancier posted:What are they doing? huge tax cuts, specifically to corporation tax are almost certainly being voted in by the senate tonight. A bunch of CEO's have already come out and said that the money saved is just going to their shareholders lol https://twitter.com/MrDanZak/status...pagenumber%3D81
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"I'll have you know sweeping corporation tax cuts are actually the key to economic success" ~ ireland
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kustomkarkommando posted:"I'll have you know sweeping corporation tax cuts are actually the key to economic success" ~ ireland I dunno, we do ok. The economic malaise in Ireland is way more due to our ridiculous property market and acquiescence to austerity measures than it is the corporate tax rate, imo
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I wonder what will happen when the entirety of America is like one of those insane republican failed states.
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It's times like this we need a neoliberalism smiley
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so what happens to people who live and work on different sides of the border? can Ireland unilaterally allow British citizens the right to work in Ireland without the EU? can the UK just give the Irish the right to work in northern Ireland?
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I dunno, we do ok. The economic malaise in Ireland is way more due to our ridiculous property market and acquiescence to austerity measures than it is the corporate tax rate, imo Corporate tax cuts to cause growth are Austerity the social cuts this results in you can (rightly) argue are the point, but the defence has always been "but this will cause growth". Spangly A fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Nov 30, 2017 |
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I presume the UK can set up any arrangement it likes, there's just no chance of reciprocation because it would have to involve the whole EU.
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Rarity posted:It's times like this we need a neoliberalism smiley  works.
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Rarity posted:It's times like this we need a neoliberalism smiley 
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XMNN posted:so what happens to people who live and work on different sides of the border? can Ireland unilaterally allow British citizens the right to work in Ireland without the EU? can the UK just give the Irish the right to work in northern Ireland? The CTA and its accompanying freedom of movement and privileges extended to citizens of Ireland in the UK and vice versa is broadly agreed to be safe. Its all about the movement of goods rather than people.
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XMNN posted:so what happens to people who live and work on different sides of the border? can Ireland unilaterally allow British citizens the right to work in Ireland without the EU? can the UK just give the Irish the right to work in northern Ireland? To expand on Ronya, this has already been allowed since Irish independence in 1922 (and covers the whole UK not just NI)
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OwlFancier posted:I wonder what will happen when the entirety of America is like one of those insane republican failed states. The Purge but 24/7
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