- psydude
- Apr 1, 2008
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This movie was pretty bad. Not for anything nerds are complaining about, but because it failed at basic concepts of plot writing and storytelling.
The battle scenes were pretty loving cool, though.
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- psydude
- Apr 1, 2008
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Yeah nobody is required to like anything, also I strongly agree that the leia space flying was stupid, not gonna firebomb hollywood if they don't do thing i love/hate in the next one though?
One thing the new trilogy has been missing is a person with a lightsaber sending blaster shots back at stormtroopers/droids/rebels, so hopefully there's some kind of actual ground battle that Rey will participate in.
My problem with the Leia thing is more fundamental. Leia's continued role in the film was inconsequential to the overall plot line. This wouldn't have been a problem if they'd taken the one chance they had to write her out, right at the beginning. This would have also opened up all sorts of other complexities for Kylo Ren, since he opted not to pull the trigger. Instead, parts of the rest of the movie involved them awkwardly shoehorning a replacement actress into place.
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Dec 17, 2017 14:30
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- psydude
- Apr 1, 2008
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my problems with the movie
The whole point of an adventure movie/novel/story is that there is some goal, some task that the adventurers must accomplish. Defeat smaug, destroy the death stars, there is some sense of purpose. This movie didn't really have that. The only thing they really did was.. not get massively owned? The ultimate task of the story is to escape the first order who are able to track them through light speed. They are out of fuel, barely staying out of range of hostile cannons, but ultimately unable to escape by jumping to light speed. Despite this, there is no real sense of urgency. We watch as three of the four ships get blown up one by one as they run out of fuel, but there is no ssense of frantic evacuations as they try to get supplies and people onto the main ship. They establish no emotional tether between the viewer and the other ships.
The other ships feel about as relevant as red shirts in star wars. The entire time this is going on, you have two sets of characters of on side quests. Finn and Rose leave to seek out a master hacker to help them break into the new order and turn off their tracker. Instead they find a dude who flips sides seemingly unprompted and with no foreshadowing. Benicio's character just seems incredibly underutilized. He says a few things, gets them past a few doors, then turns on them. This entire sidequest does nothing to advance the plot and in all honesty I can't even remember how they escape because I don't care. THen you have Rey and Luke. Keep in mind episode 7 ends with this epic feeling where Rey meets Luke, hands him the light saber, and then the movie ends. You're left looking forward to the next movie where the master helps the apprentice become badass. Instead Luke just refuses to help. The entire cliff hangar from The Force Awakens feels entirely wasted. Its like your parents are dropping hints you're getting a new xbox for christmas and then you open in and its brothers old gameboy. I actually like the direction they're taking the jedi and how they address their problems, I just don't like how they accomplished that.
That's my problems with the storyline. Other flaws are the whole Leia flying thing. I'm not really against her being able to fly, but the scene is just straight up bad. Her flying had all the animation of a child waving a superman toy through the air as superman remains completely stuff the entire time. Second, a lot of scenes with Rose are bad. The scene where she finds Finn boarding an escape pod comes across as a psycho ex girlfriend. One second she is going full blown fangirl at an anime con, the next she is tazing him and dragging him away. Also purely personal preference but the casino didn't really work for me.
That being said, the movie did have things I liked. the battles as always are amazing, although this was true for even the prequals. Poe comes to learn the hard way what pyrrhic victory. the whole light speed suicide run was amazing. Rey, Ren killing the evil space wizard was cool.
This is a good post with good points.
Benicio del Toro's character was completely underutilized. He's clearly supposed to be as crucial to the plot as, say, Lando, but instead he just disappears after two scenes on the ship and I'm pretty sure they won't be bringing him back for the third one even though he clearly has potential to be a very interesting character. If the whole point of the 40 minute long side quest was as a vehicle to introduce his character, they basically wasted everyone's time.
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Dec 17, 2017 23:00
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- psydude
- Apr 1, 2008
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This op-ed does a great job of summing up why this movie is bad. Warning: it does have spoilers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.841aa1ae4b13
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