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PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Naked Bear posted:

It may be sacrilege to suggest, but I think Rogue One is now my favorite Star Wars movie. Yes, even over Empire Strikes Back.

my wife cried when the robot died

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PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

psydude posted:

This movie was pretty bad. Not for anything nerds are complaining about, but because it failed at basic concepts of plot writing and storytelling.

The battle scenes were pretty loving cool, though.



Yeah I'm really disappointed in this one and hope the director never gets to touch star wars again and I'm glad JJ Abrams is returning. I like some concepts behind the movie but a lot of it just seems poorly executed. I think the best example of this is how many times they say the phrase 'rebel scum'. It was a kinda iconic line and they just say it loving constantly. Its probably said 10 times over the movie. There is a difference between paying homage to the originals like 7 did and running tropes into the loving ground. Also, Rose was god awful and I hope she is dead. The escape pod scene is loving atrocious, episode 1 tier dogshit. Also If there is a god drat love triangle I'm gonna start firebombing hollywood.

PookBear fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Dec 17, 2017

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Zeris posted:

There is just something special about what star wars does to people, jfc

:allears:

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Leia getting blasted into space then flying was done really poorly. I'm not against her being able to do that, but the special effects of that scene look like a b tier 1950s sci fi film.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Dec 17, 2017

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

my problems with the movie


The whole point of an adventure movie/novel/story is that there is some goal, some task that the adventurers must accomplish. Defeat smaug, destroy the death stars, there is some sense of purpose. This movie didn't really have that. The only thing they really did was.. not get massively owned? The ultimate task of the story is to escape the first order who are able to track them through light speed. They are out of fuel, barely staying out of range of hostile cannons, but ultimately unable to escape by jumping to light speed. Despite this, there is no real sense of urgency. We watch as three of the four ships get blown up one by one as they run out of fuel, but there is no ssense of frantic evacuations as they try to get supplies and people onto the main ship. They establish no emotional tether between the viewer and the other ships.
The other ships feel about as relevant as red shirts in star wars. The entire time this is going on, you have two sets of characters of on side quests. Finn and Rose leave to seek out a master hacker to help them break into the new order and turn off their tracker. Instead they find a dude who flips sides seemingly unprompted and with no foreshadowing. Benicio's character just seems incredibly underutilized. He says a few things, gets them past a few doors, then turns on them. This entire sidequest does nothing to advance the plot and in all honesty I can't even remember how they escape because I don't care. THen you have Rey and Luke. Keep in mind episode 7 ends with this epic feeling where Rey meets Luke, hands him the light saber, and then the movie ends. You're left looking forward to the next movie where the master helps the apprentice become badass. Instead Luke just refuses to help. The entire cliff hangar from The Force Awakens feels entirely wasted. Its like your parents are dropping hints you're getting a new xbox for christmas and then you open in and its brothers old gameboy. I actually like the direction they're taking the jedi and how they address their problems, I just don't like how they accomplished that.

That's my problems with the storyline. Other flaws are the whole Leia flying thing. I'm not really against her being able to fly, but the scene is just straight up bad. Her flying had all the animation of a child waving a superman toy through the air as superman remains completely stuff the entire time. Second, a lot of scenes with Rose are bad. The scene where she finds Finn boarding an escape pod comes across as a psycho ex girlfriend. One second she is going full blown fangirl at an anime con, the next she is tazing him and dragging him away. Also purely personal preference but the casino didn't really work for me.

That being said, the movie did have things I liked. the battles as always are amazing, although this was true for even the prequals. Poe comes to learn the hard way what pyrrhic victory. the whole light speed suicide run was amazing. Rey, Ren killing the evil space wizard was cool.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdm8rpv045U

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Godholio posted:

It seems like some of you think these movies come IMMEDIATELY following RotJ. Like...it's been literally decades. Tech changes, people learn how to do things. It would be completely loving bizarre if Leia didn't bother learning some Force poo poo.

again Leia being force sensitive is dope. The actual flying part just was done poorly. She was inanimate. If you were to remove the background you would have no way to tell she was flying.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

they should get hillary clinton to play Leia in the next movie

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Nostalgia4Dogges posted:

yeah and that's why his character is one of the few redeeming things of this whole thing. He's a gigantic manbaby that cosplays Vader. I mean, it's pretty transparent about that


honestly my biggest issue with the movie was: how many god drat transport ships did they have going to that planet

kylo ren is saved by a good actor

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Kylo Ren could have easily been whiny anakin episode 2/3 style

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Sacrist65 posted:

it seems like it went out of its way to do the opposite of what you expect.

O Carrie Fisher gets a reason not to be in movie, nope, time to be Super Woman.

The new commander is a coward, we need to unite against her, jk , she's a loyal jihadi.

Rey is a Skywalker, lol nope, shes somehow is the most powerful jedi without training for no good reason.

The kylo ren turn on Snoke was unexpected, cool and good.



Did anyone else get the feeling that they condensed this down from two separate movies ?
yeah it really did. And as I said earlier it shits all over all the alley-oops episode 7 tosses it. The entire cliff hanger is wasted for no god drat reason. I'm honestly not sure if the fault of this lies at the feet of director, writers, or what but god drat.

PookBear fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Dec 18, 2017

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Did anyone ever watch the fan edits for episodes 1-3?

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Crakkerjakk posted:



E: Rogue One was effing great though.

yeah if when I rewatch all of the originals i'll be starting with rogue one

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Leia should have killed poe IMO

Poe does nothing but gently caress things up and gets literally 95% of the people killed, but he is still this lovable rogue who is going to lead the rebellion instead of some idiot who deserves to be executed

PookBear fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Dec 23, 2017

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

I have problems with the story of the movie and how everything is a result of Poe not getting thrown in the brig the first 30 minutes of the movie, but the ramming isn't one. Beyond all the reasons why this was the first time it was done (to include the fact that maybe the rebellion doesn't like suicide tactics) the real reason is its space opera that uses futuristic weaponry in a movie series heavily influenced by ww2. I will never be bothered by star wars pulling cool poo poo out of their rear end because its always been a slightly campy scifi movie.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Diarrhea Elemental posted:

Holy poo poo, how did I not think of that before? If Poe hadn't sent The Most Useless (Former) Stormtrooper and Random Quirky Asian Third Wheel off on the shittiest filler episode side quest, Benicio Del Stuttero doesn't let on about hey maybe there are some cloaked shuttles out there. Rey and Kylo have an actual knock-down drag-out, maybe Admiral Toxic Command Compartmentalization doesn't go full aloha snackbar, Phasma doesn't go out like a punk bitch, and Luke sits on his lovely little island and beats his dick.

i mean this is pretty much the entire reason I hate the movie. The entire plot hinges upon them being loving incompetent instead of anything the empire does.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Naked Bear posted:

So... it's true to life?

yeah but real life doesn't make for an entertaining space opera.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Dead Reckoning posted:

I don't want to get too political, but Chewbacca murdering and eating one of the puffin/seal hybrid things from the trailer was entirely too obvious as a ham-fisted metaphor for the 2016 election.

unless this is an injoke I don't get, you're loving retarded

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

midochlorians are the powerhouse of the cell

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PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Godholio posted:

According to Rian Johnson, none of the loose ends in TFA (what we assumed were setting things up for Eps 8 & 9) actually had any defined plans at the time. He had to figure out what to do with all of it.

its still pretty clear the general ideas they had where those could go and the writers did the exact opposite

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