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My takeaway is that while 7 and 8 are enjoyable star wars-y visual spectacles, I read the Thrawn Trilogy back in the day and I just feel like that was straight up better. Better villains, heroes, fewer plot holes, etc etc etc. My main problem with the new movies is that I think the First Order is crap (and for ep 8, BSG did it better). I'll probably eventually get the last three movies to watch now and then with my brain turned off for the visual spectacles and sound track and lightsaber and blaster noises, but just engh when it comes to them actually being any sort of capstone to 4-6. E: Rogue One was effing great though. Crakkerjakk fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Dec 20, 2017 |
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Justin Godscock posted:No kidding. That fight was awesome. And yeah, glad we finally got to see them in action. Although would it really kill either of the force users to give someone a force push when someone is getting all up in their grill?
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Dec 20, 2017 21:02
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:yeah if when I rewatch all of the originals i'll be starting with rogue one Totally.
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Dec 20, 2017 21:03
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:Leia should have killed poe IMO Yup. Everyone in this one takes turns carrying the idiot ball to make the contrived plot work, but Poe in particular gets a fuckton of people killed and leads a mutiny.
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Dec 23, 2017 15:41
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:i mean this is pretty much the entire reason I hate the movie. The entire plot hinges upon them being loving incompetent instead of anything the empire does. Yeah, just seems like it's the writing school of "my job is to create drama and string together the big setpiece visual scenes that we already know will be in the movie. I will accomplish this by having various characters be idiots to whatever degree necessary." I hate it when actual plot and characterization is subordinate to a need for drama. If I want that I'll pick up a romcom.
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Dec 27, 2017 14:22
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:Wanted to talk about the force poo poo so copy/paste Gray Jedi was a convo option in KOTOR I think? Basically saying that trying to cut things like "love" out of the human psyche because it might lead to anger being loving stupid. Basically, it embraced emotions while saying you should still be the master of them, not vice versa, because emotions are what make people people. My take on Luke wanting to burn down the jedi order was basically more that it was too ossified and beholden to tradition, witness their inability to stop poo poo like the Emperor when they had the resources of the entire republic at their finger tips. And that generally the force seeks balance, so if you have a a bunch of super hardcore light side Jedi, you will get a bunch (or a few REALLY powerful) dark side Sith to balance them out.
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Dec 28, 2017 03:37
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:midochlorians are the powerhouse of the cell Pretty sure that's mitochondria.
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Dec 28, 2017 03:52
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Nostalgia4Dogges posted:you must be fun at social gatherings Straight men are an essential part of comedy.  quote:oh poo poo yeah I completely forgot about the love part and no marriage etc, everything else you said makes sense. Regardless, the EU being non-canon is great because I'm having a laugh at all the nerds--hell could have happened in the EU I suppose, I didn't read that poo poo--losing it. ALL THOSE YEARS AND BOOKS READ I like the grey Jedi angle, I'm not sure that's where they're actually going. Rey stole/saved the texts, after all. And it's the middle of the trilogy that they seem to be modeling a fair amount on the OT, so it may just be the downer ending episode that sets you up for victorious comeback in the next one. I'm not really sure they have an actual "plan" for Rey or Finn. Like, I like that Rey's parents aren't anybody special because I don't think the Force should only be about a few select awesome bloodlines, but Ren is pretty much the definition of an unreliable narrator. Besides, 8 pretty clearly shat on a a bunch of setups 7 was working on, so there's no guarantee that 9 won't reverse course again with a different writer. I liked Rose, but her stopping him from sacrificing himself right after Holdo sacrifices herself and just before Luke does the same is just a super muddy message. I think they cared more about the dramatic tension of "Finn's gonna die! Psych! Dramatically saved by spunky Asian lady! Oh, and a KISS!!! Romantic interests, ooooohhhh!!!" Not sure if anything else is really going on with Finn. I think he may just have beat down Phasma because he had his protagonist halo on.
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As much as I nit-pick this space soap opera I do like the above angle, as I'm sure it surprised most. As well, they killed everyone in Rogue 1, which was cool and surprisingly unexpected, especially for Disney. Kylo is the anti-antagonist whiny manchild cosplaying Vader. I could have done with a proper Ackbar farewell and Snoke explanation but I'll not beat the dead horse of the latter
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Sax Offender posted:The gray Jedi from KOTOR II was just a light side Jedi who was old and bitter. Yeah, his "Force-o-meter" wasn't all the way to the light, but his dialogue was all good guy with some old painful memories. He was married as a Jedi; it wasn't forbidden--at least not back then. His wife fell to the dark side, and he couldn't bring himself to kill her at the end of a duel. She went on to kill a bunch of people during the civil war. The reason he left the Order was because they didn't punish him for sparing her life. He was bitter that the Jedi masters were not cold and calculating about his actions. I mean, it's been forever since I played it, but I was talking about the convo options that were more "grey Jedi"-y. Basically, you had paladin (Jedi), rear end in a top hat (sith), and "guy who isn't above premptively shanking people with a laser sword just cause they're assholes.". Plus usually one more or so? I dunno, as you say it's been a while. But i recall a lot of the more roleplay-y conversations there was an option that rejected the Jedi disengagement with loved ones and broader events and was basically "choosing not to act is also a choice that you own the consequences for.". In both KOTORs.
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