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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Has anything come out of the Qatar embargo?

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
The US isn't the only foreign policy axis, fortunately, though do you think this wave of nationalism will also kill off relations with the EU?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

TheNakedFantastic posted:

Yes? I guess this is just semantics on what you consider assassination but that's a pretty common way to describe how Saleh died (specifically targeted and ambushed by opposing forces outside/leaving the front line). The Syrian rebel factions assassinate each others commanders all the time in the same fashion.

He was technically assassinated, but it's not like he was a peaceful civilian killed on his way to work or something. He was the commander of a military force fighting against the militias that assassinated him, in violation of their previous agreements. I don't think anybody called it an assassination when the Libyan rebels fished Gaddafi out of that culvert.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Dec 6, 2017

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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The X-man cometh posted:

Saudi is just as bad as Israel now, should Miss Pakistan or Miss Philippines be harassed because she posed with a Saudi? (Does such a person exist?)

JFC, Saudi is not a noun, learn how to use your own loving language.

This is not limited to you, idiots have been talking about "Saudi" pretty regularly recently.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

OctaMurk posted:

Sounds like somebody is getting pretty Saudi about this. Am I using it right?

Yes, in that I'm getting ready to infest the OP's neighborhood with cholera.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

OhFunny posted:

Indeed. Would be real funny if the Afghanistan War ends under the Trump Presidency because Pakistan cuts off our ability to resupply.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/949005039519006721

Oh and we did this too today.

There are like 2M Christians in Pakistan, so I guess the angle for the next future war is secured, after all the supposed goal of protecting Christians in Syria was enough to sell plenty of Americans on a possible intervention there. (I know the US won't actually attack Pakistan under any pretense) (actually I lie to myself about knowing that)

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

lollontee posted:

Now imagine those things mass produced and networked with independent targeting AI.

We have that already, it's called smart missiles / smart bombs / smart shells.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

lollontee posted:

If you consider all those four things to be the same thing in military / technological terms, then sure. But then, we've had gunpowder for 700 years or so and all technological innovations are actually just based on stuff we already knew and therefore aren't worth discussing and won't change anything since change is constant and life is a river.

They form sort of a hierarchy / tree of contextually specialized methods of accurately delivering payload at a distance, small grenade carrying drones may be strictly speaking a new technology, but they provide no benefit over the previous ones, they do not form a new specialized branch of the tree, and are only practical as a last ditch effort where more sophisticated and much, much more cost efficient weapons are not available, so they are hardly a military revolution. Full-fledged armies have vastly better weapon systems, and insurgents don't have the capacity to utilize them in a way that would matter much - while drones get publicity, the actual heavy hitters of insurgency bombardments are mortars and missiles.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jan 7, 2018

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

lollontee posted:

An autonomous drone 1/100th the cost of a guided missile, or whatever comparison you wanna draw, that fulfills the same purpose is in of itself a military revolution. Whether imperial armies drowning funding choose to adopt them first isn't relevant. It's always been the question of how cheap you can arm a single soldier that has changed history, not who's got the heaviest plate armour or the biggest tank.

Individual grenade drones are too weak to be considered missile equivalents, AFAIK the cases of big, successful hits circulating on social media were very much freak occurrences. In a scenario of an insurgency capable of manufacturing any weapons on a mass scale, equipping a squad with simple mortars or other artillery would give them much more indirect firepower. Though I guess if, and it's a huge if, the insurgents were able to truly get pinpoint accuracy and target acquisition down, that might change - on the other hand, at that point we would probably be talking about prohibitively sophisticated technology for insurgent guerrillas...

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

lollontee posted:

Would we now.

Yes, considering it's something major militaries have been unable to implement with billions of dollars worth of research into sensors, software etc.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Squalid posted:

Honestly I'm surprised we haven't yet seen ISIS style UAVs employed by the Houthis or Taliban yet. Taliban should easily be able to import commercial equipment from Pakistan, I would think. They probably have much less of the engineering education and experience IS had.

If anything, they probably have more, but Taliban is operating a bona fide military these days, so they have plenty of resources to hit the Afghan military even without glorified paper planes.

Brother Friendship posted:

ISIS showed some real ingenuity in their inventions during their defense of Mosul such as massed drone attacks on Iraqi forces, rocket equipped up armored svbieds and some sort of one shot RPG that was mass produced with plastic, possibly even 3d printed parts. They also had plenty of weird attacks that even included a roomba sized RC car on treads with an explosive strapped to it that they directed with drones. In the defense of Raqqa they also employed a two person svbied where the second person used a machine gun mounted on top of the vehicle to break deeper into SDF positions and prevent them from using weaponry to knock the svbied out of commission. As I was watching these things appear it all struck me as 'proof of concept' and they were very much moves of desperation or last moments of ingenuity but, aside from the panzerfaust clone or the drone production facility, none of it seemed organized.

Wherever and whenever the next real war arrives it is going to be an absolute nightmare. The advances we've seen in this war will be mass manufactured just like how ISIS turned vehicle repair shops into svbied assembly lines (originally seeen in Fallujah around 2004 iirc). I imagine the next generation of vehicle based suicide attacks will make 'drive towards the enemy then blow up' seem primitive.

Vehicular IED are definitely the scary lesson of these wars, and I suspect the most productive role of drones will be to guide these larger weapons with a bird's view, instead of carrying weapons themselves.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jan 8, 2018

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
The UN definition includes: "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part." I would argue the KSA campaign is designed, in absence of a military victory, to cause enough death to bring about a structural collapse of the Yemeni society and the end of Yemen as an entity capable of functioning independently, i.e. to affect a destruction of the nation in part, meeting the criteria for genocide.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
People in Europe / America are more upset about Turkey than about Egypt because Turkey was on a road towards a functioning democracy for decades, was at the cusp of integrating into a united Europe (already is part of the customs union) etc., and it is frustrating to watch all that progress being eroded to fuel one rear end in a top hat's ambition. Egypt never had such a history with Europe and never was object of such hopes.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Kanine posted:

man this recent rojava situation is driving a realllllly annoying rift between leftists on the internet (specifically between libertarian-marxists/anarchists who support rojava because of democratic confederalism and marxist-leninists/ml-maoists who are against rojava because of it being supported by the united states military)

i always wonder if the united states would go out of its way to marginally support one or two small leftist groups just for the purpose of sowing discord among the far left

i guess it doesnt really take that much to get leftists online to argue tho

The people who'd sacrifice a group just to prove an ideological point to the "imperialists" are doing exactly the same thing of which they are accusing their enemies, and can be safely ignored.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Sinteres posted:

Even PPG said he wouldn't go back to fight with the YPG again last year because the US is active there now. There may have been practical reasons since I don't know how US soldiers would respond to American volunteers over there, but it seems like even he felt like he had to disavow that connection as a Marxist. I guess you don't join a fringe no hope party in the first place if you aren't looking for impractical levels of purity in your politics.

There were Americans when he stayed in Syria as well, he definitely talked about encountering US intelligence assets embedded in Rojava. Right now he would probably be concerned either about the risk of being disappeared by his own state, or about the risk of getting dragged into a major war with Assad / Turkey instead of ISIS (he was there during a relative lull and didn't see much combat, IIRC).

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Most of Facebook isn't about renegotiating old Marxist and socialist splinters, hard as it may be to believe.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Punkin Spunkin posted:

breaking news, when surrounded by white dudes you wonder sometimes if there's something about them being white dudes that influences X or Y opinions or the passion behind said opinions. is there a weird racial angle to the Erdo hate? in this case the answer is "nah" but that poo poo gets made up elsewhere. There's undoubtedly a weird racial angle to the way some people love Putin.
mayo people is my new favorite slur and most goons (again, mostly dudes, mostly white) also probably like mayo (gross) so maybe I'm just spreading love and togetherness here.

So you like Erdogan? Because otherwise why would you try to read some nonsense into that opinion if you also shared it.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



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HorrificExistence posted:

Turks apparently did a massacre. Not posting images because it is a pile of dead kids.

Can you at least quote the source?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
The same way as everybody.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

This is really loving silly.

Let's compare phrenology kits!


Bohemian Nights posted:

You can find the images on the front page of the SCW subreddit right now but I really don't recommend it

I don't care for images, but for context of what is going on, if it's deliberate killings or air bombardments...

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Not me, I have The Right ThinkingTM thanks to my superior brain pan.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Not that I'm complaining, but why David Clarke of all people, it's not like there's somebody in Washington going "God, I hope my key ally David Clarke is safe"

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Blut posted:

Those runners/sneakers. One dude clearly didn't get the special forces dress code memo.

What better shoes for a guerilla ambush than sneakers? They have their name for a reason.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Back up, they just deleted because of the $ I guess. Still don't know if it's true though. gently caress it would be funny though.

e:

Wait, are they suggesting they achieved a total victory despite the fact all reports make it clear they have barely advanced at all?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Cat Mattress posted:

Yeah but what these tweets say is that Turkey's pet jihadists (Zinki in this case) have intercepted the shipment. So all these ATGMs won't be used on Turkey's tanks, but presumably on the Assad regime's tanks once the genocide of the Afrin Kurds is completed to Erdogan's satisfaction.

Assuming this was the only shipment of note.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Sinteres posted:

That's fair, but I don't understand why such an array of forces were necessary for it.

Maybe it wasn't necessary, but for over a year nobody's been looking over the military brass' shoulder to keep them from going full Oorah, so any consideration of appropriate and proportional use of force has been thrown out of the window.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Duckbox posted:

Japan, West Germany, Italy, France, arguably South Korea and Taiwan. That was a long time ago and murky unilateral bullshit has mostly backfired since, but the "leader of the Free world" myth wasn't totally baseless.

Dunno about Japan, but in all the other examples the design of the states was entirely a domestic product, not an American one in the slightest.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Has the Assad government or the SDF issued any statements on that big Deir Ez Zor clash so far?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
SDF claims the destruction of a Turkish outpost, including a contingent of tanks and a munitions depot.

https://twitter.com/ICafrinresist/status/962762127533633536

Russian trained and equipped "ISIS hunter" units in the Deir Ez Zor region have sworn revenge on the Kurds for the casualties inflicted in the US air strike:
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/962704158922067969

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Feb 11, 2018

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Sinteres posted:

I'm not a fan Turkey under Erdogan in general, or of the Olive Branch operation specifically, but this is quality trolling.

https://twitter.com/DailySabah/status/963048025554915329

lol, mayor Tuna

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

WTF, that's a defense budget of a small nation, with tanks and jets and poo poo. I assume 90% of that is allocated to be grift for American "consultants".

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Flayer posted:

Which was a weird one since under Churchill's leadership Britain invaded and occupied Iran during WW2.

When the push comes to shove, I'm sure the royal family prefers British control over Soviet one.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Herstory Begins Now posted:

If we killed 100 Syrians and Russians with that range of stuff, p much guaranteed they killed Americans in the original attack, that's a serious 'send a loud and clear message' type of strike. Also god drat they got half a region's worth of air support and fire support called in and allocated to them. I'm... curious for more details now.

The current military leadership is very much in favor of suppressing hostile forces through decisive show of power, and they aren't kept in check. It's entirely possible they chose to demonstrate their superiority as a means to deter further Russian meddling.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Headline I didn't really expect to read in 2018:

"Syrian war is getting worse"
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/2/13/its_hard_to_believe_but_syrias

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

MiddleOne posted:

I can see MGS4 is still aging like fine wine.


Really? I mean I'm happy as the next guy that the world could pretend for a few years that ISIS was the only problematic party in this conflict but this is always where this was heading.

I expected Turkey to give up, Russia + Assad to clear Idlib and other pockets with about as much brutality as they'd been using elsewhere, and a peaceful solution for SDF territories to rejoin Syria.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

reading this and it blows my mind that cossacks still act as a weird paramilitary arm of the russian government in the year of our lord two thousand and eighteen

They used cossacks for "security" during the Sochi Olympics, with the predictable result of them beating up and scaring a bunch of people.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Sometimes reports of poison gas originate from people getting sick when they breathe in smoke from fires ignited by a bomb, that's what the YPG gas attack alleged earlier supposedly was, too.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Torrannor posted:

As bad as things are in Ghouta, Yemen is still the biggest humanitarian crisis on this planet. It's nice and easy to write about evil Assad and evil Putin doing horrible things in Syria while not mentioning the US spported Saudi blockade of Yemen that's causing the biggest famine of the century.

So mention it, nothing is stopping you. Nobody is obliged to mention all things at all times in correct proportions.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
The narrative of the vast and powerful Qatar empire being a global villain is not even funny any more, it's just pathetic for KSA and their bootlickers.

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Maybe being a former head of government is enough of a protection on its own for Ahmadinejad. This is not North Korea, the regime is limited in what it can do without alerting the public.

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