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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I really hope the competition committee takes a look at it this offseason. Nah, the touchback rule is fun and interesting and doesn't happen enough to warrant a big change imo; the chicago touchback would noto have even been called if they didnt challenge. I think we've seen a lot of touchbacks this year but overall I think it adds a bit more drama to the game. If you dont want to have a touchback dont fumble out the endzone.
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EmbryoSteve posted:Nah, the touchback rule is fun and interesting and doesn't happen enough to warrant a big change imo; the chicago touchback would noto have even been called if they didnt challenge. I think we've seen a lot of touchbacks this year but overall I think it adds a bit more drama to the game. If you dont want to have a touchback dont fumble out the endzone. It's really dumb for the defense to get the ball when they didn't do anything. All this does is encourage players not to do suicide dives at the pylon... which own. So, change the rule.
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Nov 13, 2017 16:16
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Earl Thomas has twice taken advantage of the touchback rule by karate chopping the ball out of the arms of a runner. Defenses can absolutely take advantage of it.
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Nov 13, 2017 16:30
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Kalli posted:It's really dumb for the defense to get the ball when they didn't do anything. Dunno, I generally think a fumble results from the defense doing something. It's not too often we just see a dude simply drop the ball. When a QB cant handle a snap and the defense recovers should the offense get the ball back since the defense didnt really do anything?
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Nov 13, 2017 16:33
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EmbryoSteve posted:Dunno, I generally think a fumble results from the defense doing something. It's not too often we just see a dude simply drop the ball. When a QB can handle a snap and the defense recovers should the offense get the ball back since the defense didnt really do anything? The example from yesterday as well as the Jets example from a month back are both examples of fumble touchbacks when the defense did nothing. In your example, the defense did a thing, they recovered the fumble. The offense had to offer it up to them like a Brock Osweiler floater, but that did a thing. The Packers / Patriots did nothing to get a turnover.
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Nov 13, 2017 16:35
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EmbryoSteve posted:Dunno, I generally think a fumble results from the defense doing something. It's not too often we just see a dude simply drop the ball. When a QB cant handle a snap and the defense recovers should the offense get the ball back since the defense didnt really do anything? the operative words here are "the defense recovers"
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Nov 13, 2017 16:36
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Mr. Nice! posted:The touchback rule is different from other fumble rules because the end zone is a special place. A lot of rules change specifically when you're dealing with the end zone. I think it's a good rule and incentivizes people to hold onto the drat ball near the goal line plus gives the defense one last chance to save the day. I agree. Plus, the bears shouldve known the rule already https://youtu.be/67o31JA2m5E
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Here is an idea, secure the football when you are close to the end zone. You know if you fumble there you have a good chance of being hosed. Don't fumble there.
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Why is it simply not based on who recovers, the same way it is everywhere else? If the offence recovers it, replay from the line of scrimmage (to avoid holy roller situations), if the defence recovers, touchback. If it rolls out of bounds, same thing as if offence recovers. That poo poo with the jets not-touchdown demonstrates just how dumb the rule is as stands. e: ^^^^^ that’s a risk with fumbling literally anywhere on the field Coolwhoami fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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If a Lions QB runs out the back of the endzone, why is it a safety? The defense didn't do anything.
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Nov 13, 2017 17:44
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The Bears dude fumbled at the 2 and it went out of bounds in the end zone Bears should get the ball at the 2 just like if the ball out of bounds literally anywhere else
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Nov 13, 2017 17:47
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if a butt fumbles...
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Nov 13, 2017 17:52
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The current rule disincentives diving for the end zone. Diving for the end zone is cool and good and should be preserved. The rule should be changed. Also, John Fox should be fired.
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Nov 13, 2017 17:55
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Counterpoint, the rule is funny and therefore good.
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Nov 13, 2017 17:56
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It’s like 70% Seahawks fans defending the stupid nonsensical rule, hard to imagine why.
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Mr. Nice! posted:The touchback rule is different from other fumble rules because the end zone is a special place. A lot of rules change specifically when you're dealing with the end zone. I think it's a good rule and incentivizes people to hold onto the drat ball near the goal line plus gives the defense one last chance to save the day. I agree with this. Considering all you have to do is get the nose of the football over the goalline with control to score a TD honestly if the offense can't do that poo poo correctly without flopping the ball around they don't deserve all these extra chances. Also getting rid of the rule would fail to punish Leon Lett and Desean Jackson type of plays. And its not like it happens all the time so I say keep it and lol at the bears.
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solarjetman posted:the broncos are 0-5 in utterly embarrassing rear end-kickings since 5 weeks ago This entire coaching staff is a tire fire. I hope Cincinnati beats them next week. gently caress Vance Joseph
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Y'all are missing a crucial point of NFL rules. They can change the fumble rule, sure. But to counter holy roller scenarios, they will add another rule about intentional fumbles. Then we can all deliberate in super-slo-mo about whether there was intent in fumbling the ball forward. They can add a new "eye-cam" to the replay so the referee can determine if the runner had guile. Step up the what is a catch game to a what constitutes intent game!
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YOLOsubmarine posted:It’s like 70% Seahawks fans defending the stupid nonsensical rule, hard to imagine why. It's because the rule wasn't an issue the last decade or so it's popped up both in college and the NFL, and now all of a sudden there's a huge furor over it. If you're gonna dive for the end zone, make sure you hold onto the goddamn ball first and foremost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SsIKgwvz4 Let's talk about kickoffs instead
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what's the current rule if it's 3rd and 3, sweep outside and you fumble after gaining two yards, ball rolls out another 2 yards downfield? first down? 4th and 1? Im willing to bet this is a play that has happened a shitload historically, it's just that suddenly it's getting called - see also the Calvin Johnson rule which I'd actually seen prior to that in some random raiders game, but that kind of call didn't happen in the saints Superbowl win when it should've due to how bad it'd make the NFL look also who gives a poo poo if people holy roller, it's a giant risk and should be encouraged just like all laterals should be encouraged so that fat lineman think 'lateral' instead of 'secure and fall' like dumb idiots after they get lateraled to
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I didn't watch the bears game except I happened to turn the TV on right when that whole fumble challenge thing happened. I feel like the Bears are trying to steal the Lion's gimmick. Like when Caldwell challenged the spot on the 4th down run when the Browns guy had so obviously gotten it and the review showed that the spot should have been a yard further past the line to gain.
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Nov 13, 2017 18:58
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Gronk talked poo poo to Aqib Talib all game last night. Makes me laugh
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Finger Prince posted:But to counter holy roller scenarios, People keep bringing this up, if you're worried about it implement the solution that's already been implemented for the last 2 minutes of the first half and the last 5 of games. I believe it's already a full time rule in the NCAA. It's not an issue.
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mastershakeman posted:what's the current rule if it's 3rd and 3, sweep outside and you fumble after gaining two yards, ball rolls out another 2 yards downfield? first down? 4th and 1? In the last 2 minutes (or is it 5?) Of a half, you can't fumble forward and advance the ball unless the player who fumbles advances it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roller_(American_football)
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Manoueverable posted:It's because the rule wasn't an issue the last decade or so it's popped up both in college and the NFL, and now all of a sudden there's a huge furor over it. If you're gonna dive for the end zone, make sure you hold onto the goddamn ball first and foremost Jon Bois is a national treasure.
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a neat cape posted:In the last 2 minutes (or is it 5?) Of a half, you can't fumble forward and advance the ball unless the player who fumbles advances it. OK fine so what about the rest of the time
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Then it's where the ball goes out of bounds. So 4th and 1.
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Holy Roller actually owned and should be legal
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Can't talk about the Holy Roller without talking about the Holy Loper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqpvnwhRHvA
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Holy Roller actually owned and should be legal No
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Legalize the fumblerooskie again while we're talking fumble rules.
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Grittybeard posted:Legalize the fumblerooskie again while we're talking fumble rules. Are they illegal?
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a neat cape posted:Are they illegal? Yeah you can't do it straight from center any more for some reason that I don't understand. The play was basically dead until this totally kick rear end fake punt, which was legal because the snap had already happened.
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a neat cape posted:Then it's where the ball goes out of bounds. So 4th and 1. Ball is lost prior to first, goes out past. So which is it
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mastershakeman posted:Ball is lost prior to first, goes out past. So which is it If it's lost prior to the first down, goes out of bounds past the first down marker, then it's the fumbling team's ball, first down
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a neat cape posted:If it's lost prior to the first down, goes out of bounds past the first down marker, then it's the fumbling team's ball, first down That's hilarious. Qbs should shovel it out every time they get to the sideline
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mastershakeman posted:That's hilarious. Qbs should shovel it out every time they get to the sideline They're the QB so it would be an illegal forward pass past the line of scrimmage, or an incomplete pass behind it.
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a neat cape posted:If it's lost prior to the first down, goes out of bounds past the first down marker, then it's the fumbling team's ball, first down I always wondered why wide receivers who are trying to reach the sidelines to stop the clock don't just toss it there. Fresh faces fact: If the season were to end today, the NFC playoff teams would be the Eagles, Panthers, Rams, Saints, Vikings, and Seahawks. Between the six of them, they only have 3 Superbowl wins and none of them have won twice. However, these teams do combine for a whopping 12 Super Bowl losses Eight Fascinating Facts about Week 10
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a neat cape posted:If it's lost prior to the first down, goes out of bounds past the first down marker, then it's the fumbling team's ball, first down I'm pretty sure in that case it would actually be marked back where the fumble occurred.
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Drunk Nerds posted:I always wondered why wide receivers who are trying to reach the sidelines to stop the clock don't just toss it there. It's a fine line between a fumble and an illegal forward pass
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