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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I'm pretty sure in that case it would actually be marked back where the fumble occurred. Only in the last two minutes of a half
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Don't forget the Tuck Rule.
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a neat cape posted:Only in the last two minutes of a half No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumble quote:A fumble going out-of-bounds between the end zones is retained by the last team with possession (in Canadian football, the last team to touch the ball). If the ball was moving backwards with regard to the recovering team, it is spotted where it went out of bounds. If the ball was moving forwards, it is spotted where the fumble occurred (the fumble itself cannot advance the ball).
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Nov 13, 2017 19:55
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The NFL should adopt the Rouge Point.
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iospace posted:The NFL should adopt the Rouge Point. The 20 yard end zones would open a lot of things up down by the goal line too.
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Finger Prince posted:They're the QB so it would be an illegal forward pass past the line of scrimmage, or an incomplete pass behind it. That doesn't make sense. A rb can do it, same as a qb. We're now at the point of what's a fumble that goes forward vs a pass . what a mess Edit oh OK you were wrong about the first down thing so this is all a giant waste of time. Everywhere on the field the offense retains possession of a ball going out of bounds, no farther ahead than where the ball was fumbled, except in the end zone. Stupid rule
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iospace posted:The NFL should adopt the Rouge Point. And the javalin football that gets wielded like a club.
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a neat cape posted:It's a fine line between a fumble and an illegal forward pass No I mean to stop the clock, why don't receivers just lob it towards the sidelines? Make sure it goes backward.
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Nov 13, 2017 20:07
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Grittybeard posted:The 20 yard end zones would open a lot of things up down by the goal line too. Wider fields and unlimited motion before the snap are more important to the CFL IMO The NFL should adopt 20 second playclocks
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Nov 13, 2017 20:09
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Drunk Nerds posted:No I mean to stop the clock, why don't receivers just lob it towards the sidelines? Make sure it goes backward. Usually near the end of the game defenders cheat and play to the outside of receivers so the can tackle them inside the field. Wildly tossing the ball towards the sidelines makes it pretty likely those defensers could knock the ball in and recover it.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:And the javalin football that gets wielded like a club. NFL players don't have the northern pith required to survive that level of play.
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Drunk Nerds posted:No I mean to stop the clock, why don't receivers just lob it towards the sidelines? Make sure it goes backward. I just read it's a 5 yard penalty and a 10 second runoff which is why no one does it.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:I just read it's a 5 yard penalty and a 10 second runoff which is why no one does it. Does it count as illegal batting or is there a specific "don't throw the ball out of bounds laterally if you're a runner" rule? e: I mean we know it's illegal in some fashion or Belichick would have been doing this all along, and I say this as an impressed viewer of the coach rather than a the Pats are cheating guy.
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It said it was a rule in the NFL and college but college doesn't have a runoff? It was on a blog I only quickly looked at so who knows but it seems right
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Grittybeard posted:Does it count as illegal batting or is there a specific "don't throw the ball out of bounds laterally if you're a runner" rule? It's specifically included in a new rule this year covering actions to conserve time.
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mastershakeman posted:That doesn't make sense. A rb can do it, same as a qb. We're now at the point of what's a fumble that goes forward vs a pass . what a mess I'm not basing this on any actual rules, so I'm probably completely wrong, but if you're the "designated guy who's allowed to throw a forward pass (generally the QB)", any type of shovel, chuck, heave, lob, etc that goes forward is a pass (whether illegal or incomplete), not a fumble. Hell the ball can even be going backwards as long as your arm is going forward or you're making a forward passing motion. Definitely agreed on your edit that this is all a giant waste of time though.
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I think it's a dumb rule when a player gets hit late as a defenseless receiver, have the penalty not called, and then the offensive team penalized with a 10 second runoff because the player got injured and it's under 2 minutes. This happened to Delanie Walker towards the end of the game yesterday.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:I think it's a dumb rule when a player gets hit late as a defenseless receiver, have the penalty not called, and then the offensive team penalized with a 10 second runoff because the player got injured and it's under 2 minutes. This happened to Delanie Walker towards the end of the game yesterday. It's a cleaner rule than in soccer where you get players rolling around pretending to be injured to waste time, and then the referee adding an arbitrary amount of time to the end of the game that's meant to approximate the amount of time spent rolling around with your hands on your face.
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Finger Prince posted:It's a cleaner rule than in soccer where you get players rolling around pretending to be injured to waste time, and then the referee adding an arbitrary amount of time to the end of the game that's meant to approximate the amount of time spent rolling around with your hands on your face. Soccer also doesn't have a hard time limit even beyond the extended time. It's "has the team who is down no longer have a chance to potentially score" more or less once time expires (otherwise in non-one goal games they'll usually blow it down).
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iospace posted:Soccer also doesn't have a hard time limit even beyond the extended time. It's "has the team who is down no longer have a chance to potentially score" more or less once time expires (otherwise in non-one goal games they'll usually blow it down). Is that how it's actually set up in the rules? I know rugby is the game ends when the team in possession after 80 minutes loses possession, but soccer doesn't seem to take possession into account after 90 minutes and into time-added-on.
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Finger Prince posted:I'm not basing this on any actual rules, so I'm probably completely wrong, but if you're the "designated guy who's allowed to throw a forward pass (generally the QB)", any type of shovel, chuck, heave, lob, etc that goes forward is a pass (whether illegal or incomplete), not a fumble. Hell the ball can even be going backwards as long as your arm is going forward or you're making a forward passing motion. There's no designated guy who's allowed to throw a forward pass. As long as a forward pass hasn't been thrown yet and the ball hasn't passed the line of scrimmage, anyone can throw it; that's why the trick play works where the QB throws it laterally to some WR (generally a former QB) who throws it deep. The snap-taker has some extra protections when getting hit during a pass, and only the snap-taker is allowed to spike it, but otherwise they're not special.
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I'm just going to say that holy-rollers, touchdown celebrations, deep passes, and other associated nonsense (but not fumblerooskis) go against the Spirit Of Football, which I believe was set down by ancient decree as Hard-Faced Men Doggedly Advancing The Ball One Down At A Time Toward The Endzone, To The Cheers & Adoration Of The Fans, Whose Loyalty Will Last A Lifetime. Edit: I forgot to include In The Crisp Fall Air in all that Speleothing fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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iospace posted:Don't forget the Tuck Rule. I bring it up without warrant at parties
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Drunk Nerds posted:I always wondered why wide receivers who are trying to reach the sidelines to stop the clock don't just toss it there. Take the Saints out of that list and you only have two Super Bowl wins, but you still have 12 Super Bowl losses. 
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rjmccall posted:There's no designated guy who's allowed to throw a forward pass. As long as a forward pass hasn't been thrown yet and the ball hasn't passed the line of scrimmage, anyone can throw it; that's why the trick play works where the QB throws it laterally to some WR (generally a former QB) who throws it deep. The snap-taker has some extra protections when getting hit during a pass, and only the snap-taker is allowed to spike it, but otherwise they're not special. Fair enough, point is though that as long as it's legal to throw a forward pass, you can't game the fumble rule by doing a shovel pass of bounds to get a first down, which is what I was originally responding to.
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They should do the Schiano rule change just so we can all talk about how Greg Schiano made a lasting impression on the NFL
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While we’re changing rules, down-by-contact is nonsense. If you’re down you’re down.
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And what's with this whole 'fumble' thing? If you drop the ball everyone should just stop and give you a do-over.
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what do you even take from that game? Dolphins have completely quit. Panthers could do no wrong on offense. Miami managed a quick strike offense that nullified the pass rush but couldn't score until it was garbage time. Whatever, rest up for the bye. Please no one murder a stripper or anything.
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tk posted:While we’re changing rules, down-by-contact is nonsense. If you’re down you’re down. To be fair, if you are so wide open that you can go to the ground, get back up, and gain additional yardage before someone even touches you, that should be rewarded. And if you let a guy get that open you should be punished.
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DariusLikewise posted:The AFC loving sucks And yet im pretty sure the Patriots are winning the Super Bowl.
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Barudak posted:And yet im pretty sure the Patriots are winning the Super Bowl. The AFC loving sucks
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swickles posted:To be fair, if you are so wide open that you can go to the ground, get back up, and gain additional yardage before someone even touches you, that should be rewarded. And if you let a guy get that open you should be punished. This. It took me a while to get used to this difference from college rules but I'm whole heartedly for it. Just feels dumb when a guy slides to the ground in college making a catch but is otherwise open for 5-10 yards around him that he can't get up and keep playing.
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swickles posted:To be fair, if you are so wide open that you can go to the ground, get back up, and gain additional yardage before someone even touches you, that should be rewarded. And if you let a guy get that open you should be punished. Getting that wide open then losing out on the free extra yards because you tripped over yourself is way more hilarious. But mostly I just don’t want to watch any more replays trying to figure out if Player A brushed against Player B or if that was just a gust of wind that moved his jersey.
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Every primetime game this week were poopfests.
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Antonio loving Brown
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