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eschaton posted:which one where, I know people who will want to talk to them about taking that poo poo off their hands iseries isn't a mainframe, and installations usually aren't very old, but it's almost as hard to get running as a hobbyist as an actual mainframe is. the licensing scheme is brutal at every level. firmware locks, software locks, license keys, limits on user sessions, etc
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eschaton posted:The Mainframe Kid’s idiot hands come again
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:googled dynix and yep, that is absolutely what I remember from my old library he’ll yes
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Silver Alicorn posted:I vaguely remember terminals at my library using some kind of mainframe system
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carry on then posted:come again he whines about not being able to find a Lisp Machine for free or cheap to add to his collection but he’d in no way be able to keep one running or even from eating itself what I’m saying is he’s not a great collector, he just had good PR, and he tries to leverage that into hardware pretty regularly
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:X terminals talking to unix were briefly popular in libraries, in order to provide web browsing on the cheap without having to taint the network with windows they were slow enough to feel like thin clients tbf
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What desktop environment do commercial unices use now, anyways? do people really spend thousands on a server and use gnome? I cant find anything on google because someone loving raped my internet connection =( (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Goonerousity posted:someone loving raped my internet connection  try again pal
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Goonerousity posted:What desktop environment do commercial unices use now, anyways? do people really spend thousands on a server and use gnome? I cant find anything on google because someone loving raped my internet connection =( Generally speaking commercial Unix boxes now are rackmount servers that you ssh into, so no desktop at all. Desktop Unix workstations like the old Sun pizza boxes are dead as a dodo. My AIX boxes at my former workplace didn't even have video out, just serial.
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my dev aix system has twm when i vnc into it.
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Goonerousity posted:someone loving raped my internet connection =( gently caress off
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what does commercial unix have over commercial linux e.g. rhel, sles in tyool 2017 aside from binary compatibility with software written over 2 decades ago? are there any valid reasons for not migrating to linux aside from inertia?
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SamDabbers posted:what does commercial unix have over commercial linux e.g. rhel, sles in tyool 2017 aside from binary compatibility with software written over 2 decades ago? are there any valid reasons for not migrating to linux aside from inertia?
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SamDabbers posted:what does commercial unix have over commercial linux e.g. rhel, sles in tyool 2017 aside from binary compatibility with software written over 2 decades ago? are there any valid reasons for not migrating to linux aside from inertia? I mean, 'risk', which isn't quite the same as inertia. If your entire bank depends on a crusty old AIX box running software written 20 years ago which you no longer have the source to and the original author has retired and died, you are going to think long and hard before rewriting it and switching to Linux in case 'lol everyone's accounts have the wrong amount of money in them' or 'all our ATMs no longer work'.
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feedmegin posted:If your entire bank depends on a crusty old AIX box running software written 20 years ago which you no longer have the source to and the original author has retired and died, you hosed up badly and should've started the rewrite long ago. The real risk is stupidity and mismanagement.
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SamDabbers posted:The real risk is stupidity and mismanagement. I mean yes, but there's not much that can be done about 10 year old bad management decisions, so businesses are where they are today. That said, commercial Unix is ramping down these days; there'll be a few holdouts for a long long long time just like with mainframes before them, though. There's a reason mainframes are still a thing that is sold and it applies to commercial Unix too.
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SamDabbers posted:The real risk is stupidity and mismanagement. oh yeah for sure man
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Goonerousity posted:What desktop environment do commercial unices use now, anyways? do people really spend thousands on a server and use gnome? I cant find anything on google because someone loving raped my internet connection =( commercial unix is dead.
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SamDabbers posted:what does commercial unix have over commercial linux e.g. rhel, sles in tyool 2017 aside from binary compatibility with software written over 2 decades ago? are there any valid reasons for not migrating to linux aside from inertia? there are still reasons to buy the proprietary hardware associated with commercial unix -- POWER boxes are still bigger and faster than the biggest x86 you can buy. but ibm will encourage you to run linux on them. because who the gently caress would want to do a new aix deployment in the year 2017?
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feedmegin posted:I mean yes, but there's not much that can be done about 10 year old bad management decisions, so businesses are where they are today. That said, commercial Unix is ramping down these days; there'll be a few holdouts for a long long long time just like with mainframes before them, though. There's a reason mainframes are still a thing that is sold and it applies to commercial Unix too. mainframes offer some compelling reasons to use them, despite the cost. fewer and fewer customers are willing to pay, but deployments grow over time at those individual customers. it is not a shrinking business, surprisingly. ibm is happy to sell mainframes and fund mainframe development forever. commercial unix has no future. the only reason to deploy solaris / hp-ux / aix is inertia. not even the vendors really want you to do that anymore. they would always prefer to sell you linux, often on x86.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:commercial unix has no future. the only reason to deploy solaris / hp-ux / aix is inertia. not even the vendors really want you to do that anymore. they would always prefer to sell you linux, often on x86. oracle really doesn't want you to deploy solaris at this point, because not too long ago they killed solaris and sparc development and gave most of the developers and engineers the axe. it will shamble on in maintenance mode for a while, but that's it. funnily enough, osx is probably the last commercial desktop unix still under active development. if you went back in time to the early 90s and told sun, hp and sgi that some obnoxious finnish kid's toy project would bury them all within 20-ish years you would probably be laughed out of the room.
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The_Franz posted:if you went back in time to the early 90s and told sun, hp and sgi that some obnoxious finnish kid's toy project would bury them all within 20-ish years you would probably be laughed out of the room. maybe sun would've opened up solaris sooner
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SamDabbers posted:maybe sun would've opened up solaris sooner solaris was never particularly "closed." sun was happy to give source licenses to customers. it was more that they were deeply committed to the sparc platform and its truly extraordinary margins. their x86 strategy waxed and waned from year to year, depending how desperate they felt. at one point they canceled solaris x86 entirely, only to bring it back again a year later. 1988: sun releases the 386i, a SunOS workstation half the price of their entry-level workstation 1990: sun 486i, the followup, is canceled 1992: solaris 2.1 has x86 support 1994: solaris x86 finally attracts oems 2001: sun finally releases an x86 server 2002: sun "kills" solaris x86 sales to new customers 2003: sun decides solaris x86 is a good idea after all and so on and so forth the ambivalence never ended, right into sun's dying days Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Nov 18, 2017 |
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The_Franz posted:funnily enough, osx is probably the last commercial desktop unix still under active development. if you went back in time to the early 90s and told sun, hp and sgi that some obnoxious finnish kid's toy project would bury them all within 20-ish years you would probably be laughed out of the room. osx never captured much of the commercial unix market, neither workstation nor server i mean it is technically unix-y, sort of? but it doesn't run any significant isv packages and you can't buy a server so i am not sure what it has in common with the legacy guys
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:not sure what it has in common with the legacy guys being a prick about it
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hifi posted:being a prick about it it is very funny, if not particularly accurate the last fully integrated unix "workstation" on the market is a $10,000 apple-branded trash can that doesn't run any of the classic applications
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it is very funny, if not particularly accurate post it
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:osx never captured much of the commercial unix market, neither workstation nor server it's unix-y in that it's a certified unix, and with solaris being killed off it's the last desktop os on that list seeing active development
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quote:Huawei Technology Co., Ltd: Huawei EulerOS 2.0 on Huawei KunLun Mission Critical Server finally, linux is unix
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