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Midnight Voyager posted:We already promised Stannis we'd help him anyway.
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Yeah we haven't promised poo poo to him, and he certainly hasn't done anything to have earned any of our loyalty.
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Nov 23, 2017 01:16
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I will cast my vote for Only bend the knee to a true dragon, who has dragons and Get out of here with your fakery, Aegon, where's your dragon?
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Nov 23, 2017 01:19
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Aegon Targaryen died. If this imposter was really Aegon we would have heard whispers about it before now. Do not bend the knee for him. What has Stannis been doing this whole time? And is anything of note going on in Dorne?
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Nov 23, 2017 01:23
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There's three different ways to go when a country splits. In this case, it's For Joffrey, neutral, Anti-Joffrey. Anti-Joffrey is where we're at, and it makes is de facto on Stannis's side because he's the right heir with Joffrey and co illegitimized. We don't necessarily have to bend the knee to him, but we are technically allies at the moment and we are currently fighting to put him on the throne if only by removing Joffrey from it. Wars don't really have an "it's complicated" setting. Anyway, I guess I more meant that it would be... I don't know how the war situation would pan out if we suddenly declared for Aegon. I think it would make us enemy to literally everyone who didn't do the same and we'd suddenly have a whole lot more enemies than friends. Stick to the guy we're friends with for now.
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Nov 23, 2017 01:33
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Midnight Voyager posted:There's three different ways to go when a country splits. In this case, it's For Joffrey, neutral, Anti-Joffrey. Anti-Joffrey is where we're at, and it makes is de facto on Stannis's side because he's the right heir with Joffrey and co illegitimized. We don't necessarily have to bend the knee to him, but we are technically allies at the moment and we are currently fighting to put him on the throne if only by removing Joffrey from it. Wars don't really have an "it's complicated" setting. If Stannis had taken the Iron Throne from the Lannisters, we would have been given the chance to reevaluate our war with the Iron Throne and decide if we wanted to call off our goals of independence to simply focus on killing Lannisters. He has not taken the Iron Throne. If and when we win our war, if he then takes the Iron Throne afterward, that will not make us his vassals -- at that point, the matter will have been settled and we will have forsaken all alleigance to the Iron Throne, regardless of who sits upon it. Bran holds a King-level title and we are fighting to force our previous liege lords to acknowledge it. If we succeed in this, we cannot be vassals to another king. We would have to willingly break our own crown (which can, for the record, be done, but we'd immediately lose the Riverlands as we'd simply be Lord Paramount of the North again, and could not have a fellow Lord Paramount as a vassal) before offering to bend the knee to King's Landing.
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Nov 23, 2017 02:10
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CapnAndy posted:We would have to willingly break our own crown (which can, for the record, be done, but we'd immediately lose the Riverlands as we'd simply be Lord Paramount of the North again, and could not have a fellow Lord Paramount as a vassal) before offering to bend the knee to King's Landing. Not like the Riverlands wouldn't bend the knee on their own, making this thought exercise completely redundant anyway.
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Nov 23, 2017 02:57
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CapnAndy posted:I don't like to step in and adjudicate the arguments of the council, but this is not true. Our goals and Stannis' are opposed; we are fighting for indpendence, while he wishes to be king of all Westeros, including us. We are not fighting to put Stannis on the throne. Our war is with the Iron Throne itself, regardless of who sits on it. We can win with Joffrey still reigning. If we kill Joffrey, during the war, Tommen inherits. While we agreed with Stannis' letter that he is the rightful monarch, making him the de facto monarch instead of the de jure monarch is simply not within the scope of our war. It is the scope of his war, and while we wish him luck in that, he has not joined our war as an ally -- nor would he -- and we have not joined his -- nor would we. The most that can be said is that should our armies meet, they will not fight each other, but they would fight the same people. This does not mean we would be fighting together. We simply share a common foe for exclusive aims. Ah, I misunderstood the war type. Well, I still think he's a fake dragon, so gently caress that guy,
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Nov 23, 2017 06:58
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Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! Nae master! We willna' be fooled again! Oh wait, I think that's another series entirely.
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Nov 23, 2017 08:59
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Do not bend the knee to this imposter! Let him and Stannis wear eachother out while we mop up the Lannisters, then take the Iron Throne from whomever ends up on it. then bend the knee to Dany when she shows up
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Nov 23, 2017 09:24
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Hey guys, this is jumping ahead probably at least half a dozen updates if not more, so to minimize spoilers: our current ruler is unmarried and Daenerys Targaryen will accept a non-matrilineal marriage to him. I know for a fact that Dany is fertile because she's just had a bastard daughter (with no claimed father at all). I would like to officially ask the permission of the council to make this match because why would you not make this match.
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Nov 25, 2017 01:21
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NON-matrilineal AND fertile? Oh yes, gently caress! I mean, oh gently caress, yes!
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Nov 25, 2017 01:25
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CapnAndy posted:Hey guys, this is jumping ahead probably at least half a dozen updates if not more, so to minimize spoilers: our current ruler is unmarried and Daenerys Targaryen will accept a non-matrilineal marriage to him. I know for a fact that Dany is fertile because she's just had a bastard daughter (with no claimed father at all). Poor Jon, getting his girl stolen. But yeah, do that. Livewire42 fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Nov 25, 2017 |
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Nov 25, 2017 01:55
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Sure, that may not be bending the knee, but we may end up bending something, so do it.
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Nov 25, 2017 02:05
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Put our cloak on her shoulders.
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Nov 25, 2017 03:16
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CapnAndy posted:Hey guys, this is jumping ahead probably at least half a dozen updates if not more, so to minimize spoilers: our current ruler is unmarried and Daenerys Targaryen will accept a non-matrilineal marriage to him. I know for a fact that Dany is fertile because she's just had a bastard daughter (with no claimed father at all). Do this thing you beautiful bastard
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Nov 25, 2017 03:35
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:The whole Riverlands switching to support Joffrey is common and quite problematic, and I don't think the mod devs want to fix it at all, which is a shame because it makes no lore sense. If it's the same people making it as when it first came out, one of the lead devs really, really hates the Starks. So that might have something to do with it? Incidentally, did you know that there's a like 5% chance for Balon to actually take you up on your offer and join the war on your side? Well, there was when I last played the mod, like, years ago, which I know because back when I was first learning the game and was really bad at it, it's the only way I ever won as Robb. 
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Nov 25, 2017 04:50
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Nov 25, 2017 04:54
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Okay, so mechanics question, is this mod updated in any way with regards to updates to the canon? I'm assuming that this is more in keeping with the books (which is good, because I haven't watched the HBO porn since Season 1), and those have been stalled, but there have been preview chapters from the upcoming book.
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Nov 25, 2017 05:02
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painedforever posted:Okay, so mechanics question, is this mod updated in any way with regards to updates to the canon? I'm assuming that this is more in keeping with the books (which is good, because I haven't watched the HBO porn since Season 1), and those have been stalled, but there have been preview chapters from the upcoming book. Members of the council, we have wedded and bedded the dragon queen. Since you were all so good in getting back to me quickly, expect an update some time tomorrow, I think.
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Nov 25, 2017 05:24
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GunnerJ posted:If it's the same people making it as when it first came out, one of the lead devs really, really hates the Starks. So that might have something to do with it? Unless a recent version changed it, it's 10%. Sometimes I like to edit it in the game files to flip for a "what if" scenario (What if Theon was better at diplo and Balon could see the Westerlands were a way richer and better target)
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Nov 25, 2017 15:03
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GunnerJ posted:If it's the same people making it as when it first came out, one of the lead devs really, really hates the Starks. So that might have something to do with it. Admittedly this is an appropriate opinion to have given what a pack of dipshits the Starks are. Still it would be really inappropriate if he was loving them over because of it.
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Nov 25, 2017 15:14
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:Unless a recent version changed it, it's 10%. Sometimes I like to edit it in the game files to flip for a "what if" scenario (What if Theon was better at diplo and Balon could see the Westerlands were a way richer and better target) Ah, I was guessing at the likelihood. I just figured it was pretty rare. Ikasuhito posted:Admittedly this is an appropriate opinion to have given what a pack of dipshits the Starks are. Still it would be really inappropriate if he was loving them over because of it. Yeah I'm not knocking the opinion but I suspect it's vehement enough that the odds might be tipped against Robb. (On the other hand, that chance of Balon joining your side.) The opinion this dev holds that is unforgivable, though, is that he's a Frey fan.
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GunnerJ posted:The opinion this dev holds that is unforgivable, though, is that he's a Frey fan. King Walder, first of his name. Long may he reign! 
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CapnAndy posted:Hey guys, this is jumping ahead probably at least half a dozen updates if not more, so to minimize spoilers: our current ruler is unmarried and Daenerys Targaryen will accept a non-matrilineal marriage to him. I know for a fact that Dany is fertile because she's just had a bastard daughter (with no claimed father at all). YES Seriously, the amount of times I've had to kidnap Dany and force her into marriage is unthinkable, but you somehow stumble into this. The only problem is that, if Stannis wins the Throne, he will demand her head and you will be dragged into a war that will either end in your wife's death or you sitting on the Iron Throne.
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Part 6: A Feast for Wolves The Council was quite clear; we do not believe this “Aegon” is anything other than a pretender, and we would not have been all that impressed even if he was the real deal. With that situation handled, we turn our attention back to the siege of King’s Landing, which is just finishing up.  Oh. Oh, yes. The warscore immediately jumps to 100% due to me having captured the enemy king, and I have to admit -- it’s tempting. I could just call the war right here, take the win, and go home. And, looking back on it now as I write this, knowing what’ll happen in the next few years, I wonder how much would go differently if I’d done that. But I don’t do that. Even if it wasn’t the only role-correct decision, the Council made their desires on this point quite clear and I’d never deprive you guys.    SER BRYNDEN! BRING ME HIS HEAD! The warscore drops back down to 52%, and I settle in to besiege the rest of King’s Landing and continue mopping up the Greyjoys. That was July. In November, things take a turn for the decidedly worse.  The dead walk in forgotten woods. And they’re coming south.  I just wanted to see how the game handled the White Walkers. I like that their faction is Winter itself, that’s a cool touch.  Hey, there’s a deep cut Where Are They Now for you book-readers.  The High Septon learns that the price you pay for involving religion with politics is that politics is gonna involve itself in religion right back.  Oh what in the seven hells! What’d you do, Jon? I try, but there’s nothing I can do about this. I can’t offer to ransom Jon or demand his freedom or anything; he belongs to the Night’s Watch and they’re allowed to do what they want to him, apparently.  SEVEN HELLS WHAT THE gently caress MAN   Having finished sacking King’s Landing, my armies are back in the field and killing Lannisters.   Maege Mormont is murdered, and Jorah just appears back at Bear Island to take up his inheritance, no muss no fuss. I guess that whole exile thing was just forgive and forget, then? He’s a loyal vassal and doesn’t seem upset over that whole “Eddard Stark tried to chop my head off” thing. He’s even gotten married!  I don’t know where he found her or how the game managed to pull that off, but Jorah getting over Dany only to marry a total Dany look-alike is just... just perfect. Good job, game. I wish the happy couple all the best.  More dead Lannisters blah blah blah it’s easy at this point.  Well that’s not good. I was sending my 10,000 strong anti-Ironborn force to help, but the Night’s Watch crumbled before I could even get there.  In the ruins of Castle Black, only Winter now reigns. Check out that line of succession, though.  Looks like some Lannister loyalists have arrived to take back their capital. This isn’t entirely bad for me, though, since it means that I can march back down later and re-conquer it, giving me a chance to imprison Tommen.   Even during wartime, petty politicking never stops being a thing. Edmure’s a bit of an ungrateful shithead, isn’t he?   Yay! ...Oh wait, there’s 63 of you guys and you’re already being murdered. Well, thanks for declaring for me two seconds before you all died?  With just no fear of the Lannister forces any more, I’ve split my southern forces. One half has now arrived at Casterly Rock, to take up what promises to be a pretty long siege -- they’re well garrisoned and I don’t outnumber them by much, so they can hold out for a while. But I’ve got them encircled and no help is coming. Sooner or later, they will surrender.  King Bran chooses his education. I value Diplomacy over all other stats, personally, because you can get people to do all the other stuff for you as long as they like you, and little Bran is just terrible at it, so we’re going to work at that. Martial being his best stat is just a waste, since he can’t be a battlefield commander, being crippled and all.   A mod-specific wrinkle to education, as I have to choose how much to spend on Bran’s education. Kings get the best of everything. Easy choice.  I have thrown the Ironborn completely out of the North and retaken everything they managed to besiege. The warscore with them is at 60% and rather than take the easy White Peace I decide to just leave it as it is, in the hopes that I can get some more wins later somehow and force a surrender.   More dead Lannisters. Might as well go retake King’s Landing.  They... really didn’t have time to find a new garrison.  The warscore immediately jumps back to 100%, and I think we’re done now. Don’t you?    Where Are They Now?  Hey guys, I think I figured out why we never heard much from Stannis. Guess the war didn’t go particularly well for him; he must’ve been captured.  Since Shireen is now ruling in his stead, I decided to look her up. She’s gone the fairly gross route of marrying her bastard cousin. You’re a Baratheon, not a Targaryen, girl! What the heck. She also seems to be independent of the Iron Throne, so maybe the war didn’t go that badly for them? I guess? I don’t know. I could not find Beric Dondarrion, and presume him to be dead.  Jeyne Westerling is happily married to some nobody and living in obscurity. Her one night with Robb did not get her pregnant, shockingly enough, although she is pregnant now with her first child, who will be born in wedlock all nice and proper, so good for her, and we’ll almost certainly never see her again. Questions for the Council: No questions! We are victorious and the head of Joffrey Lannister-called-Baratheon adorns the spikes of Winterfell. In lieu of questions, I decree party time for the Council!
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Nov 25, 2017 21:29
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Jon did not die in that invasion, if it's any consolation.
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Aww, I wanted more dead lannisters. Like, all of them. Did we also not get Sansa back? Sucks to be her.
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Nov 25, 2017 21:42
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Nov 25, 2017 22:00
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We won! Now we just have to fight off the horde of ice zombies We also need punish the Riverlander traitors! I say it's their fault Rob died!
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:We won! Now we just have to fight off the horde of ice zombies I'm sure we can make some sort of argument for being the true heir to the Riverlands, especially if Edmund, and any children he may have, were to suffer some sort of mysterious and fatal accident.
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jerman999 posted:Is Jon in your court? Ikasuhito posted:Did we also not get Sansa back? Sucks to be her.
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CapnAndy posted:He is not. He remains with the Night's Watch, the poor bastard.
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Nov 25, 2017 23:12
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A head for a head. Now, with those abominations of incest off the throne, let's see what the Six Kingdoms choose to do. Time for us to drop our mic and see about retaking the Wall.
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Nov 25, 2017 23:32
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Joffrey being beheaded was excellent! Jon losing his balls was hilarious! And Stannis dying to a "mere execution" was unexpected. All in all a fun adventure!
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Nov 25, 2017 23:39
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Joffrey having someone mauled by a lion fits his character perfectly. Is it too late for this to be retroactively added to the show and the books?
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Stannis something something bad pussy.
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If I ever do a Dornish LP I'm naming it "something something bad pussy".
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