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Tom Guycot posted:One thing I haven't really understood about Gaza is whats the sort of end game exactly? Like I understand the point of leveling all infrastructure, letting nothing in so stuff can be rebuilt, making like hellish for everyone there, etc, but isn't the point of doing that to try and get the people to leave so you can take the land? Yet, israel also isn't letting them leave, and working with egypt, isn't letting them leave that way either? The endgame is to be able to "mow the lawn" every couple of years that just happen to coincide with Israeli elections in which Bibi isn't polling well or otherwise has political problems. Bibi doesn't give a flying gently caress what happens once he dies. This opens the door to a bunch of different scenario's depending on who follows Bibi: 1. Israeli's come to their senses and realize they have been the baddies all along and elect someone who considers Palestinians people. The boot is lifted off the neck and some kind of solution can be reached. This is what everyone should hope for but also not the world we're living in. 2. The next Israeli leader follows in Bibi's footsteps and continues to use Gaza as a way to score cheap political points at home and shore up their approval polls whenever necessary. Optionally they can use this approval to commit all the crimes and corruption they want. Both the Israeli electorate and the international community (read: the USA) continue to tolerate this. This means this can keeps getting kicked down the road, and the current situation, in effect, is the endgame. 3. The next Israeli leader wants to colonize Gaza again and realizes the only way to do it is to get rid of the Palestinians once and for all and achieve some kind of final solution. Also realizes that it is easier to bribe Egypt and possibly other surrounding countries to let the Palestinians in. Basically, provide a way out while upping the terror more and building settlements again. Eventually most Palestinians will be forced off, those that refuse get killed and the land becomes part of Israel. Does need help from countries in the region and likely also have this be tolerated by Europe as this is likely to result in another massive refugee wave to Europe, which is kind of A Thing in European politics at the moment. 4. The next Israeli leader wants to colonize Gaza again and realizes that it's going to be way too hard to get countries in the region and Europe to cooperate with ~2 million people being made refugees and basically their problem to deal with. So clearly this call for a different kind of final solution, the type where ~2 million people need to get murdered at an industrial scale. Maybe Israeli, US and European societies will have slid rightward far enough to cheer this on, tolerate it or at least ignore it and pretend it isn't happening by the time someone goes for it. My money is on 2, but like, the ideological groundwork has totally been laid for 3 and 4, and there's a playbook from the West Bank they can copy for 3. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 16:46 on May 19, 2021 |
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christmas boots posted:Same. It actually took someone saying DTA for me to get it. MBA MBI
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I'm very here for this poo poo. Turns out organized labour might just be the strongest weapon in the Palestinian arsenal, I wonder if anyone else can learn any lessons from this?
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May 20, 2021 10:07
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oxsnard posted:that's about 10% of the Palestinian population too. Just the fact that there's real unrest among Arab Israeli's at the same time and in solidarity with the people in Gaza is different from the last 15 or so years and it does not seem like Israel is in any way prepared for it.
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Stringent posted:there is actually, because they wouldn't have had to worry about the people they were displacing to the same degree. They would still require laws that police ethnic and possibly religious makeup of their citizenry in order for it to remain a Jewish Homeland or whatever. If you allow free migration (by say, joining the EU) then next thing you know you've turned into a secular democracy and lose control over the ethnic composition of your population. Which is like, good, just to be clear. The people here in Europe who are very concerned about our ethnic makeup talk about The Great Replacement and also are all loving Nazis. Very odd, how the people who care deeply about ethnostates always turn out to be Nazis. And people who care deeply about Theocracies (say, those who want an Islamic State, or indeed a Jewish State) also turn out to be goddamn Nazis. Maybe pursuing a Jewish Homeland, understandable as it was after the Holocaust and preceding centuries of oppression was an understandable but nonetheless fundamentally misguided and indeed doomed goal. The real goal is people just being allowed to be who they are (except if they are Nazis, obviously) everywhere on the planet regardless of which state they are in. The secret even realer goal is to abolish states altogether and allow people to be who they are (and also abolish Nazis). Like for real, would the world really be better if every oppressed minority everywhere in the world formed their own ethnostate instead? Especially if they did this in an area whose population wasn't even 1/3rd their ethnicity? Seems like just an absolute dogshit idea if we are trying to reduce war, oppression and violence.
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Stringent posted:a jewish ethnostate carved out of germany would have been expletively punative, and there wouldn't have been a goddamn thing they could have done about it. Yes fine, I shed no tears for Germany, what I'm asking is, how do you keep this state Jewish say, 80 years later, without having a bunch of big old yikes laws? And I guess I'm also asking, why do this for the Jewish people but not every other historically oppressed ethnicity? Is it cus of genocide? Cus if it is we ought to make explicit some specific numbers or percentages at which point a group has suffered and died enough to deserve their own ethnostate. All seems a bit macabre but these are the rules apparently. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 15:28 on May 20, 2021 |
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skooma512 posted:If you don't give us 100% immunity from any and all acts of violence you must surely hate our entire religion. Reminder that there are tight ties between US police and the IDF.
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oxsnard posted:https://twitter.com/aboxerman1/status/1395435437771137027?s=19 For most countries, when the government does evil poo poo, it is important to remember that most of the citizens of that country are not ok with that poo poo. And then there is Israel.
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Countdown to NYT article questioning China's motives and asserting they are only doing this to foster goodwill so they can further their inscrutable but no doubt evil schemes.
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World War Mammories posted:"I can accept exterminating the untermenschen so long as you don't count me among them" A modern day Righteous Among the Nations indeed.
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They gotta describe the building for what? Settler brochures?
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30.5 Days posted:They named their unit that goes whichever way the wind blows after you, yes. Lol
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In Training posted:with US + nato drained from Ukraine, I wonder how much support the US military will be able to give to Israel this time. Im sure the money will start flowing instantly but hopefully they have limited ability to ship more munitions + equipment. Maybe they’ll have to choose between little Israel and big Israel. Extra spicy if Russia starts an offensive anytime soon. Though given mud season they shouldn’t.
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Oct 7, 2023 09:36
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paul_soccer12 posted:Israel is going to bomb every civilian it possibly can in response to this unfortunately Yeah but they were going to do that anyway, just on a longer timeline.
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Neurolimal posted:Gonna be completely sincere here; since about 16 I've been aware of the hosed up poo poo we support in Israel, and it's been a major contributor to my political depression & personal guilt for being within the center of the empire that condones & protects it. I'd completely internalized that, even though Israel is demonstrably awful at ground invasions, they were so adept at serving as camp guards that nothing like this could ever happen.
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Al-Saqr posted:https://twitter.com/aliceavizandum/status/1710577376592027675?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg Couldn’t have happened to nicer fascists.
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Neurolimal posted:Apparently this guy was assigned to investigate why Israel severely lost the random firefight with Egyptian border police earlier this year. Presumably this will allow him to get better acquainted with Israel L's for his report. Gotta admire the hands on research.
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Lol how you gonna be minister of defense if you cant even defend your own elderly family lmao
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Rhesus Pieces posted:i'll admit i'm pretty out of the loop on i/p but how is the vaunted israeli military/intelligence apparatus this loving bad at their job Have you ever heard of neoliberalism and failchildren?
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HallelujahLee posted:sanders really is a sad loser what a pathetic embarrassment Has Corbyn made a statement?
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I like Varoufakis' better but Corbyn ain't wrong. Just goes to show that Americans are garbage people.
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Brogeoisie posted:https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1710668032748515772?t=Jxevl8pyXaPFOU0NCjHcrQ&s=19 If I was the governments of Iran, Iraq and Syria I'd be like ok let's see what happens here.
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Tankbuster posted:https://twitter.com/gunterfehlinger/status/1710662642333831443?s=46&t=XcTQEAmVq56cJu9IKvdPKg Can we get a Mad Max "that's bait" Gunther edit?
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Tiler Kiwi posted:lots of "oooh no the victimized undercaste, after a lifetime of brutal terror foisted on them, did something i found morally objectionable, so i will side with the people that maimed tens of thousands of them just over the last five years" takes from the extremely selective violence dislikers, as anyone on earth could have predicted Motherfuckers need to read more Victor Hugo: Facing these men, who were ferocious, we admit, and terrifying, but ferocious and terrifying for good ends, there are other men, smiling, embroidered, gilded, beribboned, starred, in silk stockings, in white plumes, in yellow gloves, in varnished shoes, who, with their elbows on a velvet table, beside a marble chimney-piece, insist gently on demeanor and the preservation of the past, of the Middle Ages, of divine right, of fanaticism, of innocence, of slavery, of the death penalty, of war, glorifying in low tones and with politeness, the sword, the stake, and the scaffold. For our part, if we were forced to make a choice between the barbarians of civilization and the civilized men of barbarism, we should choose the barbarians.
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I was, and still am, afraid some fash would use these weapons to down an airliner in Europe. Instead they've now been used to down 4 fash helos in Gaza. Absolute best possible outcome imo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhvwc_izptw Some music.
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i say swears online posted:keep in mind each qassam costs palestinians more than each iron dome missile costs israelis because israelis don't pay for those Wondering about Palestinian rocket production rates vs western artisinal shell production rates.
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Oglethorpe posted:Palestine said no to the wall Vote!
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:How do the Palestinians even produce rockets without a lengthy tender process? It's a mystery.
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Gripweed posted:Movie pitch; a Palestinian family moves back into their old home, at first everything seems perfect but then strange things start happening. At first they think it’s nothing, then they think they got a ghost, but then it turns out there’s a Settler living in the walls! This is just Dune.
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Frosted Flake posted:The only good infantry in the Israeli Army for a long time has been the airborne, and even then they spend most of their time playing 1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment in Ireland. Not as good as Hamas' airborne it seems.
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Nonsense posted:the bombing of civilian infrastructure in Gaza has begun. The power cut is going to kill so many people as it just cripples whatever is left of medical services.
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paul_soccer12 posted:Dnd seems to have more Israelis who are already reverting to the "hamas just wants to get their own children killed for PR" line This makes sense because PR has done so much for them in the past.
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gradenko_2000 posted:lord it's about to get spicy innit Just wait until the Taliban arrive.
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We saw them doing a lot of military training but we thought they were mostly focused on making money. Who were we supposed to believe, our ideology (neoliberalism lol) or our lying eyes?
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IRBO is just the modern acronym that stands for National Socialist.
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Is the US carrier just there to provide Israel with extra A2G munitions?
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Frosted Flake posted:Is there an acceptable way to talk about AIPAC controlling politics? To liberals I mean. No, you're an antisemite now. Same for me. Then the liberal will tell us all about how the holodomor was worse than the Holocaust.
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