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Warning: Spoilers after the OP. Most of page 1 and 2 have spoiler tags but the show has aired in Canada and is up on Netflix now. You've been warned. Hello fellow Travelers, the director has sent me from the future to assign you your next mission. Your mission is to watch Travelers S1 on Netflix. Season 2 just finished airing in Canada and will be on Netflix the day after the Christmas. This is a protocol Alpha mission.  First item, I'm not going to spoil anything in the OP. To do so would be a disservice to you and you'd hate me after you finish it. You may have already picked up on the fact that this is a show about time travel and let me tell you as an expert on time travel shenanigans, this show loving delivers. Sent from the distant future, we're not told exactly how far but it's at least several centuries, humanity has been all but wiped out, living under overpacked sheltered domes on the verge of extinction. We actually see very little of the future but Travelers makes it quite clear that the future royally loving sucks. Travelers are the conscious minds of humans from far into the future, sent back in time moments before the death of a host candidate. The existing consciousness is overwritten moments before the host's historical time of death using a T.E.L.L. Time, Elevation, Latitude, and Longitude. When timed right the incoming Traveler is able to avoid the circumstances of the hosts original death. Host candidates are researched and selected by the current age of near total information awareness, social media, public records. I bet you never thought your facebook profile would get used like that. Using this information, Travelers have been sent back in time by an entity known as The Director in order to make both minor and major changes to the timeline in order to save the future. I'm not going to tell you who The Director is, or what actor plays The Director. You'll find out eventually. The Director sends back the human consciousness and provides orders via "darkweb back channels" and messengers. The role of technology on this show is goofy as hell but whatever. Messengers on the other hand are loving creepy. While The Director cannot temporarily control the consciousness of an adult without killing that person, a child can be temporarily controlled with no damage to provide Travelers with missions and directions. Messengers might be creepy, but the process of one consciousness overwriting another is a pretty disturbing thing to watch. About midway thru season one there's a scene where multiple people get overwritten in rapid succession that is all kinds of hosed up. While there are thousands of Travelers operating all over the world, this series follows a team of 5 from their original arrival in the 21st.  Agent Grant McClaren aka Traveler 3468 Team lead, his host life is an FBI agent  Marcy Wharton aka Traveler 3569 Team medic and certified kicker of rear end. Her transition to the 21st isn't a smooth one.  Carly Shannon aka Traveler 3465 Tactician, soldier, muscle. Her host life is that of a mother of a toddler with an abusive husband  Phillip Pearson aka Traveler 3326 Historian. Modified and raised from birth to allow him the capability of memorizing all of history with perfect recall. In things to struggle with, Phillip easily has life the hardest  Trevor Holden aka Traveler 0115 Engineer, and a very, very old human in the body of a 17 year old high school student. Pay attention for one off lines that give away just how old Trevor is.  David Mailer aka Not a Traveler. The Director The head honco, the big cheese. El jefe. You get no more information than that, other than all travelers share a near fanatical devotion to The Director. Recurring cast:  Ray Green Public defender and purveyor of shady poo poo  Kat MacClaren Wife of Agent Grant MacClaren  Rick Hall Never actually provided his Traveler number, but the leader of a team that is down to its last two members  Grace Day Guidance counselor at Trevor's high school. Turns out to be one of the best characters on the show. New for Season 2  Vincent Ingram Without giving anything away, the technical term is an absolute fucker  Dr. Perrow Psychologist hired by Ingram to help with his various phobias. Traveler protocols: Protocol 1: The mission comes first Protocol 2: Never jeopardize your cover Protocol 3: Don't take a life, don't save a life unless otherwise directed Protocol 4: Do not reproduce Protocol 5: In the absence of direction, maintain your hosts life Protocol 6: No intercommunication with other Travelers unless otherwise directed Protocol Alpha: Hasn't actually been spoken out loud but seems to mean "gently caress the other protocols get the job done" Small things to look out for: Travelers ongoing amazement at regular food Small lines that give away huge character and world details Pay attention to some background characters, they may become more important later. Traveler 0420, Welcome to the 21st. HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Ok now my big black box of sperg since I just finished season 2 It took me two passes on the finale to figure out how it actually ended. Traveller 001 isn't dead. After 004 completed the machine, 001 transferred his consciousness into 004. 004 is shown laying in the machine talking to 001 who isn't actually there. Next we're shown a lifeless body as Trevor describes his first transfer. He's wheeled in front of a webcam and The Director immediately overwrites him. What they didn't show, was that 001, now in the body of 004 transfers himself into Dr. Perrow. Right at the end of the episode she tells the driver she wants to see her son. Perrow never mentions having a son, only a daughter. Perrow pickups up Ingram's kid. I'm hoping this is setting up Amanda Tapping to be the big bad of season 3. I'm also intrigued by the respect and deference the Travelers show to the programmers and engineers. 004 is suggested to be part of the upper echelon and he confirms that he's a specialist. The 3 programmers sent back for Graces trial are also shown a ton of respect which has to make for a really unusual social hierarchy in the future. Also in the episode with Grace's trial, I'd been spending the whole show trying not to anthropomorphize The Director, then in the scene where Grace is to be sentenced, The Director expresses both regret and sorrow. Not qualities I'd attribute to an AI. I think it also lends something to the argument that The Director is more than just the machine as 001 would have everyone believe. One thing that did kind of bug me was the groundhog day episode. Initially in the episode where Trevor tries to save Grace from her death he specifically says there are no do-overs, that you can only go back as far as the most recent Traveller. On the face of it, the groundhog day episode would seem to contradict this. So in my head that episode doesn't end up breaking the rules and goes something like this: While you may not be able to go back any further than the most recent Traveller, presumably The Director instantly sees the events that play out as the future changes. When the first attempt fails, 5002 is sent back a second after 5001 was, overwriting 5001 with the latest historical record. Lather, rinse, repeat until 5009 when they finally succeed. Finally, the update episode. I'd been wondering about this since the show started. A newly arrived historian is aces, but you'd have to think that with history changing his knowledge would pretty quickly be rendered obsolete. So his episode where he got that update was both cool and a little horrifying. I'm not sure how someone could survive with that amount of knowledge at their fingertips. You'd go insane. Ok thats all I got for the moment. Watch Travelers. HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Dec 21, 2017 |
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Dec 21, 2017 06:02
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I’m sure The Director has plans for Roger Cross. Or Roger Cross has plans for The Director.
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Dec 22, 2017 16:32
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TheDK posted:I've been watching this, as well as starting Continuum. Seeing Grace from Travelers in Continuum as a cop is weird. Seeing Six from Dark Matter as Travis in Continuum is also weird. Oh bud you haven’t even begun the ride that is Continuum. Feel free to live post your reactions. Party Plane Jones posted:The promo image (or is it taken from the intro?) is hilarious since none of the lower bodies match with the upper so it looks like everybody is jauntily displaying their rear end like a runway model I didn’t even notice that now I’m laughing. It’s not from the intro, I just pulled some images off google. HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Dec 22, 2017 18:56
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Party Plane Jones posted:If you're wondering why Grant's wife looks familiar and haven't figured it out by now, that's Leah Cairns who played Racetrack on BSG. Holy gently caress
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Dec 23, 2017 03:44
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Jeoh posted:Can't be a Canadian series without ye olde Enrico Colantoni playing a role. This is called the Roger Cross rule
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Dec 23, 2017 17:04
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TheDK posted:Can someone fill me in on what the OP refers to with 'maybe he's a traveler'? I am caught up and that's not ringing any bells. He's not I was just screwing around apatheticman posted:I think David is the purest character on TV. If David gets taken as a host I'm going to write a VERY sternly worded letter to Canada HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Dec 25, 2017 |
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Dec 25, 2017 18:11
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Mu Zeta posted:He doesn't. Yet.
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Dec 27, 2017 20:46
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Raged posted:Fuuuuuuuck realizing how the director was talking to 0027 and the end of the trial I was surprised how the director seemed capable of understanding and communicating emotion. The director apologized to Grace for putting her thru that and that it was sorry she couldn't come back. Essentially I just adore Grace as a character. In the episode where they're working on fixing the pandemic the faction starts, Jenny tells everyone that the virus was engineered to preserve 2/3rds of the population. In the background you can see that Grace is horrified at the idea while also nodding her head, acknowledging that the plan has some merit to it. Then we see her in the trial run the gauntlet of being the normal cocky narcissist she is, a sad dejected person whose brilliant work is totally unappreciated, to outright mourning when she's actually talking to the director. But at least she got to experience 21st century French cuisine  DarkHorse posted:Hell yeah it is. Initially this episode bothered me. In the S1 episode where Trevor tries to save Grace he explicitly says they can only go as far back as the most recent traveler. Presumably the director sees the changes in the timeline instantly upon sending someone back. Assuming that the director can't send a traveler back to the EXACT same point as the previous traveler, the clock has to tick forward one second or whatever. From our standpoint we see each attempt play out. But from the director's standpoint, the sequence of events should be that 5001 lands in the 21st, fails. The director knows this, sends 5002 one second after and overwriting 5001. Essentially 9 separate consciousnesses were overwritten in a matter of seconds until attempt #9 finally succeeds. Now look at it from the standpoint of the traveler volunteers. 5001 arrives only to experience the world's worst migraine as does 5002 and so on. When you really ponder it this show does some really loving disturbing poo poo.
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D-Pad posted:Can somebody explain the finale to me? I don't get the Simon/0001/psychologist thing? Check my big redacted block of sperg right after the OP for my take on what happened. latinotwink1997 posted:0001 managed to transfer his consciousness to the psychologist using 0004’s machine I think, leaving his original body as an empty shell (no reaction to the fly). When one of his deaf guards moved his body to the pc and pressed a key, he transmitted his face for the Director to see and was immediately overwritten. The Director wouldn’t know he was an empty shell and so doesn’t know 0001 is still out there. That and Trevor describing his first transfer as they developed the tech.
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Dec 29, 2017 23:39
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In regards to spoiler tags, how long should we go with that until we just discuss it openly? Another week?
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Dec 29, 2017 23:43
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Ok, updated the OP. Takes some serious loving balls to not only build 9/11 into the narrative but to actually show what they did.
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Dec 30, 2017 01:28
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isme posted:Talking about 9/11, though the travelers prevent lots of future altering events, they do nothing about 9/11. I guess before 9/11 people did not selfie themselves enough for the Director to generate a timeline database of events. 9/11 was before facebook, myspace, camera phones, smart phones. It makes sense that they'd have very limited data to work with until the next 5 years or so. Google didn't even really become a thing until a few years after that. If you used the word selfie in 2001, nobody would have any idea what you meant. HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Dec 30, 2017 02:09
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DarkHorse posted:
This is how I took it as well. All the drawings or hallucinations of people in the future have their heads shaved, the dying people the director used all had hair. Giving the director some form of emotion was really cool. It’s less that humanity created AI than it is they created something of a demigod. Now if the faction manages to create their own AI which doesn’t have those traits, that could make for some drat good Travelers episodes. Rhyno posted:MARTY YOU HAVE TO SNAPCHAT YOUR PARENTS OR THEY'LL NEVWR GET MARRIED. Thanks bucko you owe me a new keyboard  Zebulon posted:They seem to imply it's a one way trip, wherever you go. Vincent/001's body was dead after his transfer, for example.It's just that Trevor/0115 was used for repeated, long term effects testing and was transferred multiple times from future body to future body so they could monitor it. I figured it was more like being brain dead. Still breathing, heart still beating, but nobody home. HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Dec 30, 2017 |
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Dec 30, 2017 17:50
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TheDK posted:
A+ post right here Just Chamber posted:Are we just not spoiler tagging poo poo now? Came into say thanks for the recommendation as i enjoyed season 1 and boom instant spoiler on the top of the page Sorry you got spoiled, kinda sucks but Netflix style releases just kinda go that way.
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Jan 4, 2018 20:35
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Hidden gem moment of 17 minutes: 5008 scarfing the half the sandwich on his way to pickup the dirt bike. Traveler obsession with 21st century food is unstoppable.
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Jan 12, 2018 06:42
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1. Historians are sorta what you describe, they do have perfect recall. They’re walking black boxes. Season 2 addresses some of what you’re asking about for Marcy. Short version is that it isn’t as simple as her most recent “save” point. 2. This one gets answered by the end of season 2 as well. The end of season 1 and a chunk of season 2 clarify the S1 kidnapping episode.
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Jan 12, 2018 21:14
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Boris Galerkin posted:17 minutes That’s exactly how it happened. The Director, being in the future, could wait a day or a year between attempts and still send the next volunteer a fraction of a second after the first arrives. Given the whole failure state I kinda think there is only one Director in some weird superposition for all possible timelines.
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Jan 15, 2018 16:56
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Piell posted:This is exactly what 17 minutes looks like from the outside. Like someone said before, 17 Minutes was an episode from The Director's point of view.
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Jan 16, 2018 05:42
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Strom Cuzewon posted:I seriously love this show. Yeah, the characters don't really go anywhere, they sort of waver back and forth on all of their arcs, and the showdown with the Faction didn't make a great deal of sense. I’m not sure I’d go so far as a suicide cult but they are fanatically devoted to an AI. One of Graces moments in the superflu episode, Jenny explains that overpopulation is the greatest threat to the 21st and the virus will wipe out 1/3rd of the population. Grace hears this and just slightly nods. She may not like it, but she also can’t argue with the merits of the plan even though The Director would never do anything like that. The small stuff in this show just sell the hell out of the world and character building.
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Jan 19, 2018 16:27
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Part of the naming convention we use for computers at work includes a 4 digit number sequence aaaaaand I've started giving them Traveler numbers. Sucks for the people who get 5001 thru 5007.
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Jan 19, 2018 21:09
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Rhyno posted:You're a good person. 
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Jan 19, 2018 22:01
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Strom Cuzewon posted:My understanding is that the director is able to perceive and react to changes in the timeline, because of quantum magic. It only exists in one future, but that doesn't mean it can't take steps to ensure its own existence. They're willing to take on suicide missions, yes, but for the what they understand to be the greater good of humanity. They're not drinking the kool-aid to ascend to the spaceship. Trevor took the mission because he thought he was being directed to, even though that was the faction. The senator was dying anyway and was obviously not happy about it. The 7 skydivers weren't a suicide mission but they did know the odds of their deaths were pretty high. Now the pensioners, before the Travelers arrived were an actual suicide cult, but again they all agreed to take on a mission that they knew was a one way trip. At the end of the day they're not much different from any soldier sent into a battlefield, they know drat well they might die but it's part of the job. I suppose I draw a line between soldiers willing to die for a good cause vs those killing themselves to find god or whatever. Jennifer Spence, who place Grace/027 I think is a great actress. I've seen her in Stargate Universe, Continuum and now this. By far, I favor her as Grace because it's so much different than her SGU or Continuum characters. Louis Fierra who was also on Stargate Universe seems to be limited to the grizzly rear end in a top hat character. He was an rear end in a top hat on SGU, he's an rear end in a top hat on Travelers and just this week he showed up on Arrow, as an rear end in a top hat gangster. I like seeing him play an rear end in a top hat, he's good at it, but it's about all I've seen from him.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Fierra's been typecast. I've seen him play other roles -- a frazzled end times prophet on Aftermath, and a repressed macho family man on Durham County -- but he's generally stuck in the roles that are offered him, i.e. military arseholes. I did not know this, thanks for the tip, I'll have to check those out. He did show up in a small role on Breaking Bad as an rear end in a top hat drug cartel guy, and I did watch the first 10 minutes of SWAT, but I didn't see enough of him to figure out what he would have been. That show was so bad I had The Director send me back in time and prevent SWAT from being produced.
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Jan 22, 2018 03:38
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Totally, but that line is gloriously thin at times. Brad Wright is the showrunner for Travelers and SGU. Just off the top of my head, Jennifer Spence, Louis Ferreira, and Patrick Gilmore were all SGU regulars. HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Jan 23, 2018 01:45
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Rhyno posted:They are. It looks terrible. What are you on about? The tales of a young Catherine Langford before the stargate ever worked sounds riveting
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Inferior Third Season posted:I like this explanation, though I think it would be better if one of the first missions was to construct the Director in the past, so that it is completely immune from the possibility of not being created in the first place. Every time a traveler is sent, the history of the timeline of that traveler (which is now fixed and can't be altered) is given to the past-Director, who then has to wait for incoming data about changes to the timeline due to the new mission and then wait for the traveler program to be invented and the new Director to be constructed, and communicate with it about the state of which mission it's on and whether it was successful so that it can plan the next traveler mission. In the event that the timeline changes so that the new Director doesn't get constructed at all, the past-Director can communicate with itself and existing travelers in the past (but after the point of the last traveler) to try to restore the timeline so the Director does get built. I like this idea a lot, though it would be a paradox wouldn't it? Rocksicles posted:Amanda Tapping... 
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Jan 23, 2018 20:48
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Invalid Validation posted:It’s a little weird for how involved he gets, I know social workers and it’s against policy on top of being a bad idea to get so close to clients especially giving them large sums of money out of nowhere. But I mean...have you seen Marcy?
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Jan 27, 2018 21:27
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Jeoh posted:Yeah this show is really good. I dunno, I'm enjoying it like I enjoyed Person of Interest. So I just started PoI....Does Jim Caviezl ever get any better than "plank of wood with the word actor written on it" I'm assuming this machine ends up being some super AI type thing
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Feb 24, 2018 18:29
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Flatscan posted:Very much so, especially when he has more regular cast than just Harold to interact with. Hmm, I'll stick with it then. I'm only about a 3rd of the way thru the first season.
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Feb 24, 2018 22:19
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Flesh Forge posted:I just finished watching and enjoyed the hell out of this, especially the last few episodes of S2. re: 001 having all the science poo poo, keep in mind he's tortured hundreds of other travelers to death and probably got gobs of information of all sorts out of them before they died. The Director is largely Asimov compliant. Except in the first episode of season 2 when 001 tells Perrow that the Director isn’t capable of taking a life that wasn’t already about to end. But then it turns around an fries the brain of his business partner and his wife.
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Feb 26, 2018 11:42
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Invalid Validation posted:I don’t think most of the Canadian sci fi stuff coming out has been getting great ratings. All it takes is that special Battlestar Galactica to come by but most end up being more like Continuum or Dark Matter. Whoa there tiger, lumping Continuum in with the likes of Dark Matter, thems fightin' words 
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Apr 9, 2018 18:50
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Invalid Validation posted:I like Continuum a lot but let’s not pretend it was a ratings powerhouse. Oh not even remotely, Dark Matter was just horrifically bad
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Apr 9, 2018 19:08
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NowonSA posted:Next season coming to Netflix eventually, probably within a year. I think they really opened up the possibilities of the premise last season, particularly with the episode that showed them progressively trying to save the team again and again, and only succeeding because those actions had led to more people getting killed closer to where they had to be to help them. That being a thing really dealt into the time travel screwiness that's possible beyond "You're from the future and now you're in the past, get to fixin' stuff!" It's been renewed for S3 http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/travelers-renewed-season-3-netflix-1202728264/ - I'd guess it's back around the end of the year. wellwhoopdedooo posted:Wait. How the gently caress did Marcy exist again at the library in S1E1? Was that one scene from prior to her first upload? Did the Traveller eventually end up the same as Original Marcy? Huh? Marcy 1.0 landed right as those 4 guys were about to kill the host. Traveler arrives and beats the crap out of them. 1.0 Marcy was dying because of the host's preexisting damage. 027 resets to Marcy 2.0 who kinda sorta remembers stuff.
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wellwhoopdedooo posted:Ah, big time gap from S1->S2. Got it, I think. Yeah you should probably give this one a redo mang, probably some details you missed. There isn't a huge time jump between S1 and S2. Not much of any at all actually.
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