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I don't get why people think the 9th is so good. It's literally dead last on his list. He knew he was phoning it in and the audience agreed. History has spoken and it's time people just admit it.
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drat nigga that’s a good joke
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Beethoven's 9th is unique in that it's the only symphony Beethoven wrote in his "late" period where he went very much further artistically than his "heroic" period when he wrote his most famous works. The only work from Beethoven's late years that has any pop culture appeal is his Ninth, all because of that tune at the end, which Beethoven labored over intensively to make it sound so simple and attractive. But, for me, the key to the ninth is the 1st and 3rd movement because they exhibit that ethereal, other-worldly quality that characterize his late works. Allow me to show you what I mean by that "ethereal" quality. Check out the final movement of the opus 109 sonata, middle of that last trio of sonatas 109, 110, and 111. This is a set of variations on a haunting tune. First, second, and third keep it simple, progressively getting faster. With the 4th variation though, it's as if everything comes to a halt and we are in another realm all together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ayD3BjplY&t=403s At 7 minutes 14s, but wait for it. The 5th variation is a fugal interlude. The 6th variation is my favorite moment of music. It's full of shimmering trills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ayD3BjplY&t=635s At 10:52, but wait for it. Beethoven's 9th symphony shares these "ethereal" qualities, especially in its 1st and 3rd movements but not absent from the other movements either. I hope this answers your question.
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mr_gay_sex_fan posted:Beethoven's 9th is unique in that it's the only symphony Beethoven wrote in his "late" period where he went very much further artistically than his "heroic" period when he wrote his most famous works. The only work from Beethoven's late years that has any pop culture appeal is his Ninth, all because of that tune at the end, which Beethoven labored over intensively to make it sound so simple and attractive. But, for me, the key to the ninth is the 1st and 3rd movement because they exhibit that ethereal, other-worldly quality that characterize his late works. There's no autotune what is the this poo poo. When's he drop the bass??
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mr_gay_sex_fan posted:Beethoven's 9th is unique in that it's the only symphony Beethoven wrote in his "late" period where he went very much further artistically than his "heroic" period when he wrote his most famous works. The only work from Beethoven's late years that has any pop culture appeal is his Ninth, all because of that tune at the end, which Beethoven labored over intensively to make it sound so simple and attractive. But, for me, the key to the ninth is the 1st and 3rd movement because they exhibit that ethereal, other-worldly quality that characterize his late works.
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The dog is more of a cultural icon than the man.
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Dec 22, 2017 08:03
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The set of six bagatelles this piece from (the opus 126) were his last works for the piano. This is the 4th bagatelle and it's sublime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAfAbrau9k mr_gay_sex_fan fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Dec 22, 2017 08:10
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That time Beethoven pwned Steibelt at piano improv lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT8cBX893ic
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Dec 22, 2017 08:13
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Dudley Moore Beethoven parody. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GazlqD4mLvw
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Dec 22, 2017 08:18
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mr_gay_sex_fan posted:That time Beethoven pwned Steibelt at piano improv lmao Beethoven definitely hosed
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Dec 22, 2017 08:21
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lol beeth oven was always wasted on a bunch of drugs and got lead poisoning from cheap wine
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VectorSigma posted:lol beeth oven was always wasted on a bunch of drugs and got lead poisoning from cheap wine truly the lil peep of his time
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The Waldstein Sonata Was Ahead of its Time I will Not Back Down From This https://youtu.be/lbblMw6k1cU
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PTSDeedly Do posted:The Waldstein Sonata Was Ahead of its Time I will Not Back Down From This No doubt. Beethoven originally wrote this piece as the Waldstein's second movement but discarded it from that work because he felt it would have made it too long. It proved popular on its own at the time and is very good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF84k8KguNY
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mr_gay_sex_fan posted:No doubt. Wow, I didn’t know that! Just gave it a listen and enjoyed it. I’ll have to look at the sheets to see more detail in it but I was really struck by the brief moments of modulation which happened 2 or 3 times
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PTSDeedly Do posted:Wow, I didn’t know that! Just gave it a listen and enjoyed it. I’ll have to look at the sheets to see more detail in it but I was really struck by the brief moments of modulation which happened 2 or 3 times Beethoven was especially proud of it though, speaking of which... He showed it to his student Ries. Ries later replayed what he heard to one of Beethoven's patrons. This patron, when Beethoven was visiting him, had the brilliant idea of playing a joke. He said "look what I composed!" to Beethoven and played the adante favori Beethoven hadn't even published yet. Beethoven was so livid that from then on every time he would play something he would first ask his student Ries to leave the room. mr_gay_sex_fan fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Dec 22, 2017 09:11
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Beethoven scholar Lewis Lockwood has suggested that Beethoven may never had known the touch of a woman.
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mr_gay_sex_fan posted:Beethoven's 9th is unique in that it's the only symphony Beethoven wrote in his "late" period where he went very much further artistically than his "heroic" period when he wrote his most famous works. The only work from Beethoven's late years that has any pop culture appeal is his Ninth, all because of that tune at the end, which Beethoven labored over intensively to make it sound so simple and attractive. But, for me, the key to the ninth is the 1st and 3rd movement because they exhibit that ethereal, other-worldly quality that characterize his late works. those sonatas own, the hammerklavier also owns
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z4ZFCv9bjQ
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Emmanual Ax eloquently describing Beethoven's handling of time. At 26 seconds, and his description of the 4th piano concerto is good too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppeXD9VRZFw mr_gay_sex_fan fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Dec 22, 2017 19:45
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I'm pretty sure its like Korn's "Follow the Leader" where it starts on track 13 to be cool, hth!
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Dec 22, 2017 19:46
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Do you think Beetoven would enjoy metal? Industrial? I wonder what he'd think of GWAR.
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Beethoven as a 16 year old may or may not have met Mozart. He was sent to Vienna from Bonn for getting acquainted with Vienna's musical establishment but as soon as he arrived he got word that his mother was gravely ill and he returned to Bonn, and didn't return to Vienna five years later, a few months after Mozart died. However, Beethoven might've heard Mozart play and Mozart might have heard him play. Beethoven later on in his life described Mozart's playing as "choppy" but the myth goes that Mozart was reputed to have said after hearing Beethoven play something like "watch this one, he will show the world something one day." mr_gay_sex_fan fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Dec 22, 2017 19:49
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http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/beethoven/n13332?snl=1 Foreigners click here instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73JqeBKs3iQ
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creators don't know poo poo about their own work George Lucas thinks Empire Strikes Back is the worst
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This section from the opus 101 sonata (no. 28, first of the late sonatas) is sublime. The development section of the fourth movement is a fugue, beginning Beethoven's obsession in that period with integrating fugues into his works. A video of that section of music was captured in this well cut live video recording of Gilels performing this piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsItzA34B1I&t=16m00s This (lasting about two minutes) is peak Beethoven.
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ChickenHeart posted:Do you think Beetoven would enjoy metal? Industrial? I wonder what he'd think of GWAR. I think he might have. It’s very possible that it would have been so different that it would have put him off, but I like to think he would have been excited to see all the new possibilities time and technology opened.
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Ein cooler Typ posted:creators don't know poo poo about their own work
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Brahms wrote Beethovens 10th symphony
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beethoven was a dog OP
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I really like quasi una fantasia and not just the adagio which everyone jizzes over all the time. the presto is sublime and the allegretto is severely underrated
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les adieux is a v good sonata and it's too bad it gets overshadowed by the moonlight and the pathetique
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mr_gay_sex_fan posted:Beethoven scholar Lewis Lockwood has suggested that Beethoven may never had known the touch of a woman. I guarantee that is also true of Beethoven scholar Lewis Lockwood, even his name said his wood is locked from use
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Dec 22, 2017 23:27
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Beethoven made Bach look like a retard.
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Good god do I love the 7th
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ClamdestineBoyster posted:Beethoven made Bach look like a retard. It's more likely that Beethoven felt like a retard when he compared himself to Bach. Bach is a titan of the art. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bez_FoUO5W8
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Andras Schiff being hilariously snooty. Look, we Americans call that section of music the "boogie woogie" because that's what it sounds like. But noo, to Schiff it's belittling the music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk-iqxqixhY
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Dec 22, 2017 23:52
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The villain's rant aria from Beethoven's only opera -- Fidelio -- is sublime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf6ykkb2aOw
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:those sonatas own, the hammerklavier also owns The Hammerklavier does indeed own. It took me a long time to warm up to it.
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Was this posted yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCicM6i59_I
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