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Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost
his first was pretty loving awesome too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4mRv6IqOy8

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Instruction Manuel
May 15, 2007

Yes, it is what it looks like!


:agreed:

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec

im a big fan of the 4th myself

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

Hector Beerlioz posted:

im a big fan of the 4th myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctBqW5e16YM
there all good
even the third
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGEiJ44K3Oo

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
In his recent biography of Beethoven ("Beethoven: Anguish and Triumph") Jan Swafford says that the fugal episode in the 2nd movement of the 3rd symphony is perhaps Beethoven's single greatest moment.

at 8:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arfHsnxE-MU

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

mr_gay_sex_fan posted:

In his recent biography of Beethoven ("Beethoven: Anguish and Triumph") Jan Swafford says that the fugal episode in the 2nd movement of the 3rd symphony is perhaps Beethoven's single greatest moment.

at 8:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arfHsnxE-MU

I like music we have now, but it is a real shame we don't have complicated music like this anymore. It is so awesome!

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Considered Beethoven's worst piece of music. But hey, it brought him a fair amount of money! It was presented at the Congress of Vienna and commemorates the victory over Napoleon. Notice Rule Brittiania at the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsV4O7ibYCs

According to wiki Beethoven didn't use La Marseillaise to represent the French because that tune was considered risque at the time.

Jake Mustache
Feb 7, 2017
Why do they only talk about the sixteenth chapel? Did michelangelo paint the roofs of the first through fifteenth chapels?

Former DILF
Jul 13, 2017

Jake Mustache posted:

Why do they only talk about the sixteenth chapel? Did michelangelo paint the roofs of the first through fifteenth chapels?

yea

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

Jake Mustache posted:

Why do they only talk about the sixteenth chapel? Did michelangelo paint the roofs of the first through fifteenth chapels?

this joke sucks and I hate you

Instruction Manuel
May 15, 2007

Yes, it is what it looks like!

mr_gay_sex_fan posted:

Considered Beethoven's worst piece of music. But hey, it brought him a fair amount of money!

I feel like this could be said of any musical artist no mater what era they are from.

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Best scene from "Immortal Beloved." That movie is a bit hokey and far too romanticized but this scene is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AT8Mi1mYQ4

I used to be a cinephile back in the day but there's a definitely a reference to The 400 Blows in this scene right (the boy running?)

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
There was a child prodigy tutored by Mozart named Hummel. He grew up to be a decent composer but he had the misfortune of the majority of his creative period coinciding with Beethoven's. People are coming to appreciate many neglected works because of youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSYS2YzpNR4

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
The coda of the 1st movement of the 7th has been stuck in my head for years especially because of THIS performance with Carlos Kleiber practically dancing with the music. The famous allegreto somewhat over-used by Hollywood follows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sw97NzvvsE&t=644s

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum
arent conductors useless, like what did that guy do, he waved his wand around some while there was no music, thats probbaly sexual harassment

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum
also nobody is looking at hum, they are looking at papers that tell them what to do, why does he have a job

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
My favorite performance of the 9th. Furtwangler, Lucerne musical festival, 1954. It is this performance that revealed to me the profundity of the 1st and 3rd movements. It's also a very personal interpretation by Furtwangler -- the 1st and 3rd movements are unusually slow compared to most performances/recordings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=254ksoIiU_s

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
A movie was made about Furtwangler undergoing the de-Nazification process. Was he a Nazi sympathizer? Or was he just trying to stay neutral that whole time? See Stellan Skarsgard as Furtwangler in this 2001 film:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfURytVFKB0

gleebster
Dec 16, 2006

Only a howler
Pillbug
I would not have thought the SA forums would have so many Beethoven defenders, nor that they would come so well informed.

My money would have been on Stockhausen.

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

ChickenHeart posted:

Do you think Beetoven would enjoy metal? Industrial? I wonder what he'd think of GWAR.

A fair number of the posters at talkclassical.com were turned on to classical music from metal.

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer
The bigger the number the better, OP.

It's the same with reichs.

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
ill have the allegretto with marinara and a side of vienna

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




Classical music makes me almost cry. I'm a human being.

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Mister Gay Sex Fan always with the insightful classical music posts :ck5:

ClamdestineBoyster posted:

Beethoven made Bach look like a retard.

Bitch I’ll fight you if you keep running your dumb Mouth

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzXoVo16pTg

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
What I consider to be Beethoven's best overture. A late period work. Was performed same night as the 9th symphony premiere. Notice how baroque the introduction section sounds (which lasts until 4 minutes, nearly half the work.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8ykmhb71gc

mr_gay_sex_fan fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Dec 23, 2017

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Also performed same night as 1st performance of the 9th: certain sections of the Missa Solemnis. The last section, the "Agnus Dei" (lamb of god) was performed and it's heavenly. Beethoven spent some 3 years composing the Missa Solemnis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYB8ZRvtv4

mr_gay_sex_fan fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Dec 23, 2017

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec
I reccomend the music of Hector Berlioz, preferably while enjoying a beer :discourse:

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Two lectures on the opus 110 sonata (no. 31). The first is one of my favorite pianists --- Andres Schiff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cprd05j9d0

The second is by some dudebro at UC San Diego but he's really good too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4E58y_gueo

In all the late sonatas, the most substantial movement is the final one. Opus 110's final movement has a unique structure that goes something like this:

intro---haunting heart-breaking section --- fugue --- return of haunting heart-breaking section --- fugue (this time an INVERSION of the previous fugue's subject) --- coda.

For many years the I just didn't "get" the late sonatas but I managed to connect with them one night a few years ago while under the grip of a cannabis edible.

Anyway....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDHIovyhfpU&t=524s

The "haunting heart-breaking section" is at 10:15 and lasts until 12:24. Returns later on in the movement after the fugue.

mr_gay_sex_fan fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Dec 23, 2017

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

Mister Gay Sex Fan always with the insightful classical music posts :ck5:



Srsly I’ve been listening to a lot of his recs posted in this thread for the last two days.

That hummel piano concerto :aaa: loving awesome.

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

Hector Beerlioz posted:

I reccomend the music of Hector Berlioz, preferably while enjoying a beer :discourse:

Is this it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1R8Rx2db9c

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
For those of you interested in this subject I HIGHLY recommend Jan Swafford's 2014 biography, which is the longest LvB biography in a hundred years or something. Swafford's book is also substantially about Beethoven's society and that time period, so I learned some history too. The first few chapters painting the time period in Beethoven's early years are a bit of a chore but then it gets gripping.

https://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-An...ish+and+triumph

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Hector Beerlioz posted:

I reccomend the music of Hector Berlioz, preferably while enjoying a beer :discourse:

My favorite part of the SYMPHONIE FANTASTIQUE is this part of the 3rd movement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM7KwIjal6o&t=334s

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
The way the second movement of the appasionata sonata begins makes me want to cry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUFainkuEY

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Musical ideas in the 2nd movement of the Ghost piano trio (piano, violin, cello), opus 70, were possibly conceived by Beethoven for an opera based on Macbeth that he never pursued.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYUhS7brCw

mr_gay_sex_fan fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Dec 24, 2017

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec
Beethovens Kreutzer sonata was originally named after a different violinist who performed it and after the premier the play and Ludwig were at a bar celebrating when the player made a comment questioning the virtue of a lady Beethoven happened to like, so in a rage he stormed away and changed the name to Kreutzer even thought Mr. Kreutzer never played it.

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
I think that Beethoven would have liked the 5th movement of Mahler's 3rd symphony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf2exEYVxhk

Three-Phase
Aug 5, 2006

by zen death robot
Froh, wie seine Sonnen fleigen!
Durch des Himmels prächt'gen Plan!
Laufet, Brüder, eure Bahn!

mr_gay_sex_fan
Dec 20, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
My single favorite Beethoven movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-jus6AGHzQ

Some history to this piece:

In late 1825 during the composition of the opus 132 string quartet, Beethoven became gravely ill and was bed ridden for months with stomach issues. He thought he was going to die but he recovered. As thanks for getting spared death, he composed a piece of music he ended up making the middle movement of the opus 132 string quartet and titled it Holy song of thanksgiving of a convalescent to the Deity, in the Lydian mode.

Here's a lecture on this piece of music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c-R544gF8s

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Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec

mr_gay_sex_fan posted:

I think that Beethoven would have liked the 5th movement of Mahler's 3rd symphony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf2exEYVxhk

Mahler used to reorchestrare Beethovens symphonies

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