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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Pick posted:

I was expecting to love this film. It's.... okay. I mean, it's pretty good.

It really suffers from never giving the fish-man his own strong characterization.

This is exactly my take on it. The fishman doesn't really have a character.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Pick posted:

Yeah, even his body language is pretty staid.

I was hoping for lots of physicality, isn't the point of the Gillman (and Doug Jones for that matter) that he's lithe and graceful? Even when he's clumsy on land is an opportunity to make him sympathetic, but almost every time, they play it as pathetic. For much of the movie, he's a houseplant.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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His best are Devil's Backbone and Blade 2.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Pomp posted:

I realized earlier the film this reminds me of the most is Amelie with me horrific violence

It's very, very Jeunet.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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I feel like Fourteen would be more of a Guy Maddin joint.

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Sep 14, 2007

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Sinding Johansson posted:

I think this is closer to the truth, but I reiterate my point is that the characters belong to no movements at all. To me, it's pretty much tokenism, a base appeal to trendy sensibilities, especially when compared to films like Hidden Figures, Hail Caesar or Brokeback Mountain (off top of my head, but chosen as they are all set in roughly the same time period). Well the black, communist and gay characters are all secondary you might say, but a flim like See No Evil, Hear No Evil is head and shoulders above this one when it comes to portraying the differently abled.

The fishman is explicitly compared, for example, to a black man being sprayed with a firehose. It's certainly a choice, though what it's saying is ambiguous.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Well, in this case, it has a specific context.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Sinding Johansson posted:

The actual merit in the idea of the fishman is associated with blackness is the connection between that character and Zelda's downtrodden, browbeaten husband.

Well, yeah, that's the point, both are conspicuously depicted in the same film.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Sinding Johansson posted:

The character who is too pure for this world is (somewhat bizarrely) the communist.

Haha, yes. The romantic surrogates are less caricatured than the actual protagonists.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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F Cinemascore is a drat badge of honor.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Hot drat that's a good lineup. How in the world were people so turned off by In The Cut?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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It's certainly better than, say, Jade.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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LesterGroans posted:

The only gay erotic thrillers I can think of are Single White Female (which I think is mostly subtext and all the actual loving is straight) and maybe Black Swan?

There's a French one from not too long ago, it's on the tip of my tongue. The Weekend, I think? Where a guy has a fling with a mysterious stranger who may or may not be a murderer.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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china bot posted:

Stranger by the Lake

TY. I remember it whipped rear end.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Samuel Clemens posted:

Whoa, where'd all this hate for Killing Them Softly come from?

I quite like Killing Them Softly but it is one of the most obnoxious movies I can think of.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

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Samuel Clemens posted:

Yeah, fair enough. It's the right kind of obnoxious though.

It looks really great too: I'm thinking especially of the poker game robbery scene, Ray Liotta getting his rear end beat in the torrential downpour.

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