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Looking at Elisa having sex with Gill Man as non-consentual misses the point of the film. For all intents and purposes, Gill Man is another flavor of human being, just from a different evolutionary path. That's why Dr. Hoffstetler takes such precautions to save Gill Man because he's not just an animal. Strickland's attitude towards Gill Man is the same sort of reasoning bigots use to justify racism and it's not even subtle in the film. There's also the conversation between Elisa and Giles about whether Gill Man is an "it" or "he." Besides, the film already frames characters as starved for sex, so who's to say Gill Man hadn't needed some loving for some time, especially if he's the last of his kind?.Zwille posted:Anybody have an idea what’s the deal with Elisa knowing and speaking sign language but everyone around her not doing so despite obviously understanding it? It seems so jarring. How does she keep up her fluency with no one around to converse with? Only Giles and Zelda understand her and it's probably just because she's around them the most. And Giles clearly has to slow down to understand and Zelda doesn't know everything Elisa signs. Giles has motivation to be fluent because Elisa is really his only friend and Zelda is around her eight hours a day/night. Any other characters seem to only be guessing. And Strickland certainly didn't know he was being told to gently caress off  Anyways, this is up there with Phantom Thread for my favorite 2017 releases. The audience where I saw this was loving every moment of it. Elisa's "morning routine" and later describing Gill Man's junk brought the house down. Also, I don't recall hearing as loudly of a theater audience moan in disgust when Strickland rips off his necrotized fingers.
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Just let Gill Man gently caress. Zwille posted:Exactly, they understand what she signs but they don't ever sign themselves. I think this is kind of weak. Understanding sign language is much harder than producing it, so why wouldn't they sign themselves? It seem so very jarring and to be honest it's a missed chance: Why not have the characters use sign language as a secret mode of communication? They could've even used that with the surveillance cameras. Maybe someone who's been around mute people have some insight into this? Elisa was probably taught ASL from an early age, but I don't get why others would need to use sign language with her since she is able to hear fine. Isn't that the point of the scene between her and Giles having him repeat everything to show he understands? I'd imagine Del Toro and Hawkins did plenty of research, so maybe that's normal.
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According to an interview, Del Toro set the film in Baltimore because he's a fan of Barry Levinson and John Waters.
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