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i think it would help ryo a bit if they showed him being more conflicted or confused about what he's doing earlier on. that doesn't really crop up until what, ep7 or 8 when he actually realizes the role that he's been following. akira is fine because the whole point is him being so optimistic and sympathetic to everyone.
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with the cyborg 009/devilman crossover, i dunno how it is executed in that particular series but the base premise of cyborg 009 has enough darkness that i don't think they're wildly miscast. all the cyborgs are people kidnapped and experimented on until they become horrible weapons and they have to reckon with that while trying to escape their captor and then prevent him from destroying the world via war. it dovetails with devilman's anti-war message and the sort of existential questions about personhood (the latter doesn't seem huge in either, but the resonance is there). plus devilman as a media franchise will always have that 70's tv series (and now crybaby) bringing some lightness and goofiness to it to temper the tits/gore/apocalypse stuff.
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i certainly don't expect another show this year with as wide a spectrum of gay/bi characters that also have the whole weight of the show's themes behind them. honestly not something i expected out of devilman
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could it be psycho jenny?
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yuasa will do an original project because gently caress adaptations
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he's like 50/50 between adaptations and original works. i'm just hoping for another Kaiba
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I'm still hoping all this yuasa publicity will result in the mind game manga getting licensed
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the ANNCast this week was about Crybaby, and they had one of the site's only good contributors (Mike Toole) on. i enjoyed listening to it even though there's not a ton of ground they cover that hasn't already been posted here/elsewhere https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/anncast/2018-01-12/.126365
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important research in the field of devilmen https://twitter.com/kiyala/status/951796065526673408
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GorfZaplen posted:Where's Go Nagai CB Chara World and Cyborg 009 vs Devilman iirc the cyborg vs devilman akira was mentioned in replies as being on the level of manga akira no dice on cb chara world
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NutritiousSnack posted:That it is a parody or subversion of the themes of the original Devilman and the sexual themes of the rest of Nagai's work. what bit of the podcast did you pull this out of? because i did not hear the words parody or subversion and none of them were familiar enough with the manga to speak on it comprehensively/authoritatively (and they didn't).
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DisDisDis posted:Why can't these people get a single manga reader for their podcast I'm so heckin mad none of them want to acknowledge piracy or engage in it, so Devilman has pretty much always been unavailable to them. the 1986 English release wasn't complete, and the only other option is importing a 2002 bilingual edition that i didn't even know existed until researching just now.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Someone on there had, did people actually listen to it? Admittedly he was talked over a lot, but they had a manga reader on there. Mike Toole has...seen some pages? read a bit? idk, they were very vague on their experiences with the series but as said above the lack of an official release means they probably avoided it or would never dare speak of reading it lol
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some columns dip back into older stuff but you'll find them not acknowledging piracy there either, iirc. kinda begs the question of how they watch these things 
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this bit about the ann podcast is bad
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i'm sure tons of anime podcasts have covered it but overall quality is dire in the anime podcast market.
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miki/miko is not a lesbian relationship for the ages or anything but it's hella weird to be dismissive of miko's sexuality. she has tons of resentment towards and weird sexual fantasies vaguely involving miki and all of that is fairly textbook for someone unable to come to terms with their same-sex attraction.
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i mean it's the weakest explicit revelation, if we wanna say the donkey bit and about half her resentment angle (because it's not all just being surpassed/replaced) aren't explicit. the messy and painful aspects of her attraction to miki were personally resonant to me though, and it was the first time i had seen them be expressed this way in a show. it does kinda bug me that this all leads to bland saint miki but whatever
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just let the ladies be gay god drat
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Expect My Mom posted:The gay subtext in Devilman isn't even subtext. It's the text.
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also maybe this is a fraught hill to take but it makes me uncomfortable that the two/three gay/bi men in the show are not questioned but the single lesbian/bi woman is to the point of throwing out lgbt interpretations entirely or interpreting her as a trans man
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now if only we could get him to drop some in this thread
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same about baki but also again in 2019 when kengan asura gets its anime
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i was very disappointed in the silene gently caress scene. really lacking in good gently caress also crybaby psycho jenny is the best version i have scene, oshiyama is a god at doing demon designs
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not sucking a dick for 2011
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i would disregard basically all the stuff regarding sequels
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Dryzen posted:I don't understand how you can talk about how your reading of it is being shut down when that isn't happening at all. People are getting upset that every time they try to imply a lesbian relationship between miko and miki you said they were just long-time friends and now that it's not sexual at all i said their trans reading made me uncomfortable and that was it. i just didn't get why there was such a commitment to deny miko being a lesbian or even just loving miki sexually/romantically, and instead saying she's a man so she can join the other male characters in this show that nobody has ever questioned the sexuality of. when it comes down to it, both readings take material from her sexual fantasies as shown in the show. so denial of one while raising up another is even more confusing.
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miko can love miki romantically and sexually and be a lesbian, or bi, or trans. i think the intent of focusing on the meaning of daisuki is to back that up, since plenty of people itt are straight up denying miko meant romantic/sexual love.
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nobody in this show wants to gently caress, gently caress is bad *everyone watches porn and jerks off to their close friends*
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Jan 21, 2018 01:24
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nobody in this show wants to gently caress *a guy has a wet dream about his crush so hard he shoots five gallons of stinky cum onto the ceiling*
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the bad poo poo that goes down isn't because of loving so i really don't get any of the show being anti-sexual e: apparently making a quick own resulted in this post being poo poo before, gomen dogsicle fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:also, on a less i don't think the old show existing seals anything tbh. if you don't apply any outside logic (e.g. devilman lady, violence jack), it honestly just seems like a weird yuasa joke while the ending is obviously setting up for a renewal of earth that won't be the same as what we just saw
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note, there's not really any room for debate on the time loop thing; the existence of the 70s Devilman anime in Crybaby's universe pretty much seals it
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ova ryo is better than crybaby ryo, but akira is better in crybaby
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Expect My Mom posted:im purely talking looks. i think ova ryo is hotter too but a lovely twink fits his character way better i was also talking looks only
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i think all the messy, gross sex stuff in crybaby aligns just as fine with the coming-of-age narrative/puberty stuff you can overlay on top of akira's transformation, death of parents, etc. growing up and dealing with sexual feelings can be rough especially upon discovering you're not straight like approximately half the cast.
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