NYT: The Alt-Right's Asian Fetish (or, what GBS doesn't want you to read)

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sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

Finally the NYT writes what everyone already knows. The people who say "Oh I can't be racist, my wife is Japanese" are the most racist of them all.

Also apparently the "I'm not a racist" snowflake crowd in GBS got triggered by this and got one of the mods there to close the GBS version of the thread. Thin-skinned skinheads.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/opinion/sunday/alt-right-asian-fetish.html

quote:

The Alt-Right�s Asian Fetish

The white supremacists on the far right have �yellow fever� � an Asian woman fetish. It�s a confusing mix.

Andrew Anglin, the founder of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer, once posted a video of himself with a Filipina he called �my jailbait girlfriend,� the young couple flirting as they sauntered through a megamall in the Philippines. Richard Spencer, a white nationalist, has dated a series of Asian-American women, according to one of his ex-girlfriends. (Mr. Spencer insists that it was before he embraced white nationalism.)

The right-wing agitator Mike Cernovich, the writer John Derbyshire and an alt-right figure named Kyle Chapman (so notorious for swinging a lead-filled stick at Trump opponents at a protest in Berkeley, Calif., that he is now a meme) are all married to women of Asian descent. As a commenter wrote on an alt-right forum, �exclusively� dating Asian women is practically a �white-nationalist rite of passage.�

In November 2016, a photo of Tila Tequila giving a Nazi salute went viral. Ms. Tequila is the Vietnamese-American star of the short-lived MTV reality show �A Shot at Love With Tila Tequila,� and she was saluting at a dinner the night before the conference of Richard Spencer�s white-supremacist think tank, the National Policy Institute. At the conference, Mr. Spencer had reminded attendees that America was a �white country designed for ourselves and our posterity.�

Maybe it makes sense that the alt-right is so confused: On a neo-Nazi news site, a user asked advice on whether he could be a white nationalist if he slept with East Asian women, and he received dozens of spirited responses from both sides. But the white-supremacist Asian fetish is no contradiction.

It exists at the intersection of two popular racial myths. First is the idea of the �model minority,� in which Asian-Americans are painted as all hard-working, high-achieving and sufficiently well-behaved to assimilate. If Asians are the model minority � if that is how nonwhites can find acceptance in white America � then perhaps that opens the door to acceptance from white supremacists.

The second myth is that of the subservient, hypersexual Asian woman. The white-supremacist fetish combines those ideas and highlights a tension within the project of white supremacism as America grows more diverse � a reality that white nationalists condemn as �white genocide.� The new, ugly truth? Maintaining white power may require some compromises on white purity.

Was Tila Tequila at that white supremacist dinner just attempting, in some twisted way, to assimilate? Or to rebel against what was expected of her? I cringe at her antics, at her trying to be just one of the white-supremacist bros.

But the photo also conjured up my memories of being a 14-year-old Asian girl in an overwhelmingly white school who wanted to be interesting, self-possessed and liked. Instinctively, I knew it meant distancing myself from the other Asian kids, especially the nerdy and studious ones. I knew I had succeeded when a friend remarked that I wasn�t really Asian, I was white, �because you�re cool.�

As I skipped classes to smoke in the courtyard, read Baudelaire to seem the �interesting� kind of smart and attempted to distance myself from the stereotypes, I didn�t know that the idea I wanted to run from � of Asians as civilized, advanced and highly intelligent � had roots in white supremacy. But between the white supremacist Chris Cantwell�s tattoo of a Japanese character and the Charleston shooter Dylann Roof�s speculations that Asians �could be great allies of the white race,� there are echoes of history�s most infamous white nationalist.

�I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves,� Adolf Hitler said in 1945. �They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own.�

In the United States, the model-minority myth grew from Asian-Americans� mid-20th-century efforts to win civil rights, as the scholar Ellen D. Wu recounts in �The Color of Success.� Previously, Asian-Americans, many with humble roots in rural China, were considered degenerate, subject to lynchings, and forced to live in segregated neighborhoods and attend segregated schools under a regime of discriminatory laws and practices she has called a �cousin to Jim Crow.�

But, according to Professor Wu�s research, Chinese-Americans promoted themselves as hard-working, obedient, family-oriented and able to easily assimilate into American life � traits that are not uncommon in poor immigrant communities, where many have made enormous sacrifices to move to a foreign place.

By the height of the civil rights movement, America was already giving preferential treatment to educated, professional Asian immigrants, reinforcing the idea of Asians as pliable and studious. White politicians co-opted the myth, pointing to Asian-Americans as proof that the right kind of minority group could achieve the American dream.

Professor Wu found that just months before the release of the 1965 Moynihan Report, the widely influential policy paper that attributed black poverty to a degenerate black culture, its author, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, spoke at a gathering of intellectuals and policymakers about how Japanese- and Chinese-Americans, considered �colored� just 25 years earlier, were �rather astonishing.� �Am I wrong that they have ceased to be colored?� he asked.

In reality, Asians are rarely considered white, and the model-minority myth obscures the vast differences among Asian-Americans. What�s more, the myth helped to strengthen America�s white liberal order, which claims to uphold diversity while also being anti-black. It legitimizes white America�s power to determine who is �good� and to offer basic dignity and equal rights.

The model-minority myth exists alongside another dangerous and limiting idea � one that is consistent with the alt-right�s misogyny and core anti-feminist values. The main problem with white women, as many alt-right Asian fetishists have noted, is they�ve become too feminist. By contrast, Asian women are seen as naturally inclined to serve men sexually and are also thought of as slim, light-skinned and small, in adherence to Western norms of femininity.

These stereotypes have roots in America�s postwar military incursions into Asia. In Japan, a network of brothels permitted by American officials opened as United States troops began arriving in August 1945. The brothels employed tens of thousands of women until Gen. Douglas MacArthur declared them off limits in 1946.

In South Korea, an estimated 300,000 women were working in the sex trade by 1958 (after the end of the Korean War), with more than half employed in the �camptowns� around the American bases. Vietnam�s sex industry, centered largely on American bars, thrived during the Vietnam War. And the stereotype of docile Asian women persists. Nowhere is this more explicit than in sex ads and online pornography.

Tila Tequila � Playboy model, reality show star, aspiring rapper and one of a handful of female Asian-American celebrities � is often seen through this trope. Does she resent being typecast as the hot, horny Asian as much as I resented being seen as a �model minority�?

Yet after I was called �white� at age 14, it felt, paradoxically, like a compliment to be nicknamed Geisha Girl by another friend, a well-meaning gay white boy. This was not because I was delicate. But the nickname became our inside joke, and it symbolized the kind of femininity that attracted the boys I liked, but that I have never really possessed. Being in on the joke meant I was accepted. Since then, I have acted out in all manner of ways to dispel the �model minority� image. Still, I have never fully extinguished the belief that racking up an impressive lineup of achievements is the only way to gain respect.

The stereotypes that feed the Asian-woman fetish are not exclusive to the far right. They exist across the political spectrum and infect every aspect of life � not just the bedroom � and manifest themselves in figures as distant from America as the blond-haired, blue-eyed heroes and hypersexualized heroines of Japanese anime.

This fun-house mirror asks me to be smarter, nicer, prettier and more accomplished than my white counterparts for the same amount of respect, then floods my dating app inbox with messages that reek of Asian fetish. Thankfully, I�m not required to care or let it define me; for what it�s worth, I am even entitled to play up the stereotypes if I see something to be gained. Maybe this is where the Asian girlfriends of alt-right men stand. But none of us can escape the truth that the fun-house was built to justify systematic exploitation of everyone in this country who isn�t white. That�s important context. Otherwise, Richard Spencer�s comments could almost sound nice.

�There is something about the Asian girls,� he once said to Mother Jones. �They are cute. They are smart. They have a kind of thing going on.�

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Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

# ? Jan 8, 2018 05:59

Metal Cat: Dec 25, 2017

The impression I get is that the thread might have been nuked because there's often multiple ones about the alt-right/politics. Sometimes it's better as a post in one of those megathreads, I dunno.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 06:10

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

this is not necessarily related, but while home in (relatively well-to-do) appalachia over the holidays I noticed that pick-up trucks are increasingly decorated with anime-styled fetish stickers where in years past they would have used a more realistic strip-clubby style. (when i left the region in 2003 anime had no public visibility)

Gazpacho has issued a correction as of 06:15 on Jan 8, 2018

# ? Jan 8, 2018 06:13

Vox Nihili: May 28, 2008

Lol @ GBS I guess

# ? Jan 8, 2018 06:16

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

Metal Cat posted:

The impression I get is that the thread might have been nuked because there's often multiple ones about the alt-right/politics. Sometimes it's better as a post in one of those megathreads, I dunno.

it instantly collapsed into "minorities are the real racists" GBSery

# ? Jan 8, 2018 06:16

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I�m posting from China, with my wife. I�ll let her know I�m racist now

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:32

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

you're mentally ill op

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:40

Sheng-Ji Yang: Mar 5, 2014

this is a pretty lovely article

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:44

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

I didn't gas your thread but I would have

# ? Jan 8, 2018 08:47

Mercrom: Jul 17, 2009

i feel sorry for asians. almost everyone seems agree its uncool to be attracted to them

# ? Jan 8, 2018 09:36

sincx: Jul 13, 2012; furiously masturbating to anime titties

Lol the snowflakes are here too.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 12:22

baw: Nov 5, 2008; RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY

Mercrom posted:

i feel sorry for asians. almost everyone seems agree its uncool to be attracted to them

like it's fine if you're physically attracted to a certain ethnicity but once you start attaching expectations to how they act and think then it becomes weird

# ? Jan 8, 2018 13:01

feller: Jul 5, 2006

I guess I'll start refusing to date asians. Don't want to be seen as a racist white guy

# ? Jan 8, 2018 15:05

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

sincx posted:

Lol the snowflakes are here too.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 15:06

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!

sincx posted:

Lol the snowflakes are here too.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 15:21

coathat: May 21, 2007

The real question is why Asian women date white nationalists

# ? Jan 8, 2018 15:24

Best Korea: Feb 15, 2012

Gazpacho posted:

this is not necessarily related, but while home in (relatively well-to-do) appalachia over the holidays I noticed that pick-up trucks are increasingly decorated with anime-styled fetish stickers where in years past they would have used a more realistic strip-clubby style. (when i left the region in 2003 anime had no public visibility)

Seriously, what's up with that? When I was a kid I got tons of poo poo for liking anime and now they're all obsessed with shonen fighting shows. They also love Hot Topic now, which is just as puzzling.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 16:34

Best Korea: Feb 15, 2012

coathat posted:

The real question is why Asian women date white nationalists

Money and/or citizenship. Asian mail order brides are common among the neo-confederates/nazis where I'm from. They stick around long enough to get citizenship or if the guy's ancient, inherit his money/house, then flee. Everyone of them thinks they're getting a slave and loves to talk about how awful the country she came from was, probably because they finally have someone who came from an even worse shithole to lord over.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 16:40

Good soup!: Nov 2, 2010

LOL snowflakes, owned bitch!!!!!!

# ? Jan 8, 2018 16:40

Business Gorillas: Mar 11, 2009

Can't say I'm shocked that a "people doing sex" article broke gbs

# ? Jan 8, 2018 16:51

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

the thread got gassed because who gives a poo poo. stick it in the alt right thread

# ? Jan 8, 2018 16:54

Baku: Aug 20, 2005; by Fluffdaddy

coathat posted:

The real question is why Asian women date white nationalists

Best Korea posted:

Money and/or citizenship.

Also: Asians are capable of being racist and women are just as capable as men of making poor life choices, dating awful people for various mental/emotional/social reasons, and overlooking or rationalizing atrocious things about someone when they're in love.

People marry self-admittedly guilty death row inmates, dude.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 17:09

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

interesting that the article's author didn't mention that Tila Tequila is literally a brain-damaged self-declared Nazi flat-earther.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 17:31

C-Euro: Mar 20, 2010; Soiled Meat

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

interesting that the article's author didn't mention that Tila Tequila is literally a brain-damaged self-declared Nazi flat-earther.

Tila Tequila's slow decline into a complete lunatic has been one of the low-key saddest things about the last couple years of politics for me. Her dating show was on the air when my wife and I first started dating and it became one of our early bonding experiences. Now that memory is all tainted and poo poo

C-Euro has issued a correction as of 18:30 on Jan 8, 2018

# ? Jan 8, 2018 17:41

Jewel Repetition: Dec 24, 2012; Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Elect brain-damaged self-declared Nazi flat-earther women

# ? Jan 8, 2018 17:42

A Gnarlacious Bro: Apr 25, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I think she's also an angel channeler

# ? Jan 8, 2018 18:08

Samovar: Jun 4, 2011; I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Elect brain-damaged self-declared Nazi flat-earther women

But Anna Navarro gets killed after Denton escapes from UNATCO.

Yeah, I know it's actually flatlander, gimme a break.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 18:10

Calibanibal: Aug 25, 2015

heck yeah im a nsowkflake, and proud

# ? Jan 8, 2018 18:13

PetraCore: Jul 20, 2017; 👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

interesting that the article's author didn't mention that Tila Tequila is literally a brain-damaged self-declared Nazi flat-earther.

Yeah. I really hate when people make fun of Tila Tequila for having stupid lunatic opinions because she is very literally brain damaged. Her opinions are extremely weird because her brain broke. She can't help it! She can't think straight anymore!

EDIT: Like even if you like to make fun of people ragging on someone literally brain-damaged for acting like she's brain-damaged is such low hanging fruit even if you don't care that she's brain-damaged.

# ? Jan 8, 2018 18:14

Vox Nihili: May 28, 2008

sincx posted:

Lol the snowflakes are here too.

It's winter

# ? Jan 8, 2018 18:27

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

Best Korea posted:

Seriously, what's up with that? When I was a kid I got tons of poo poo for liking anime and now they're all obsessed with shonen fighting shows. They also love Hot Topic now, which is just as puzzling.

lol u like anime

# ? Jan 8, 2018 18:37

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

hilter was a meth addict, thus innocent of all crimes

# ? Jan 8, 2018 18:40

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

Mr. gay Hitler did nothing wrong and was a good man

# ? Jan 8, 2018 18:41

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Gazpacho posted:

lol u like anime

anime is good

# ? Jan 8, 2018 18:45

Gazpacho: Jun 18, 2004; by Fluffdaddy; Slippery Tilde

PetraCore posted:

Yeah. I really hate when people make fun of Tila Tequila for having stupid lunatic opinions because she is very literally brain damaged. Her opinions are extremely weird because her brain broke. She can't help it! She can't think straight anymore!

EDIT: Like even if you like to make fun of people ragging on someone literally brain-damaged for acting like she's brain-damaged is such low hanging fruit even if you don't care that she's brain-damaged.

counterpoint: her brain damage was self-induced and she was playing the sex object well before it happened

# ? Jan 8, 2018 18:50

byob historian: Nov 5, 2008; I'm an animal abusing piece of shit! I deliberately poisoned my dog to death and think it's funny! I'm an irredeemable sack of human shit!