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Badger of Basra posted:y'all are so sure that democrats can win literally everywhere if they run to the left but also so ready to give up three years in advance My feeling is that the Democratic base - like pretty much all Americans - doesn't really have a coherent ideology, but that leftism would probably do well just because its messages and ideas are very straight-forward and clearly indicate the benefits they'll give people. At the end of the day, though, personal charisma is likely the biggest factor, which is why someone like Oprah is a big threat. Despite some people saying otherwise, Bernie Sanders actually does have his own sort of charisma, generally related to him being able to give the impression of being genuine. At the very least, I believe it's nonsense that the American public is specifically against leftism, or that leftism would cause a candidate to lose. Yandat posted:you can sell a left wing vision to the general electorate better than you can sell some mealy mouthed pussy bullshit that appeals to dnc nerds Basically this. Democrats do poorly because there's a disconnect between the sort of ideas and messaging that appeal to the highly educated/credentialed, upper/upper middle class people who represent liberals in the political and media spheres and the sort of ideas/messaging that appeal to most other people. Democratic leadership views politics as a managerial/administrative job, which isn't really a good approach when most people are deeply unhappy with the status quo and want change. I think this one is sarcastic. (Also, isn't that the dude who does that Poppy youtube videos?) Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 20:30 on Jan 9, 2018 |
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One of Bernie's strengths is that he talks more like a normal person rather than a talking points robot, that's one thing even bad Dems could learn from.
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Positive thought: maybe Trump has shocked and appalled us *so much* that we just have a "HOLY poo poo, MAKE THEM PRESIDENT" anytime we see somebody who's articulate and capable of giving a good speech Morgan Freeman just needs to get really passionate about progressive taxation and he'd be in too, consensual niece loving be damned
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Nebakenezzer posted:Morgan Freeman just needs to get really passionate about progressive taxation and he'd be in too, consensual niece loving be damned I'm pretty sure Morgan Freeman wouldn't have to actually express any progressive/liberal ideas; he would just have to say "Trump is bad and maybe I should be president" and liberals would flip their poo poo. Actually, maybe that's a good idea. We can encourage Freeman to go into politics, resulting in an Oprah/Morgan Freeman split among center-left liberals.
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MaxxBot posted:One of Bernie's strengths is that he talks more like a normal person rather than a talking points robot, that's one thing even bad Dems could learn from. Oprah/Jeb! 2020
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Jan 9, 2018 21:14
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every time a bored millionaire makes an Important Speech between now and 2020, they will be considered a likely presidential candidate. it rules
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Jan 9, 2018 21:19
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https://twitter.com/trashfuturepod/status/950767848745562113
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Nebakenezzer posted:a good speech Maybe I'm the crazy one, but gently caress No It was poo poo. I only heard a portion and it's all Inneeded to hear. She said nothing important, her emotional affect sounded fake as poo poo, and when she speaks she sounds like a stupid person's idea of what a smart person sounds like. It's the same as Hillary, during the campaigns she never once sounded like anything but an equivocating shitweasel. Are people in America really stupid enough to think this was a "great speech" or is this just the media's narrative?
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Jan 9, 2018 21:54
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Mayor Dave posted:Oprah/Jeb! 2020
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Jan 9, 2018 21:56
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Wheeee posted:Are people in America really stupid lol if you don't know the answer to this after trump was elected
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nah posted:every time a bored millionaire makes an Important Speech between now and 2020, they will be considered a likely presidential candidate. it rules
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Jan 9, 2018 21:58
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guac enemas for everyone!
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Jan 9, 2018 21:59
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I was wondering why people on Facebook were suddenly posting pictures of Oprah with Wienstien and #NOPrah. My conservative friends are upset that she's been seen hanging around with an accused sexual predator and see that as reason she shouldn't be allowed to run for office. It's an interesting line in the sand.
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pretend i quoted eveyone sdaying shed lose cause she would def lose
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Jan 9, 2018 22:16
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lol he just rode down an escalator while blasting Twisted Sister as his entrance music, no way anyone actually votes for him
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Jan 9, 2018 22:41
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I'm afraid James Woods is going to be the next prez, OP
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Jan 9, 2018 22:46
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honestly I’m genuinely surprised it took America this long to be consumed by its culture of celebrity
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Lightning Lord posted:I'm afraid James Woods is going to be the next prez, OP just think when that ridiculous scum clown-boy, a joke has to make a hardline in foreign policy and he whips out the Hades voice
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:honestly I’m genuinely surprised it took America this long to be consumed by its culture of celebrity we elected reagan lol its been like this for 30 years already
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Wheeee posted:Maybe I'm the crazy one, but gently caress I guess it’s subjective, but I thought it was great and moving. A powerful speech by a person who has spent her entire life engaging theatrically with audiences. In no way shape or form does it qualify her for the presidency, but it seems kind of goony to say that Oprah’s emotional speech that begins with her as a little girl watching Sydney Poitier become the first black man to win best actor “sounds like a stupid person’s idea of what a smart person sounds like.”
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Four years ago, I had this naive perception that 2 terms of a disastrous Bush administration would serve as a cautionary reminder, and that americans would reflexively avoid electing brazenly stupid, inapt people because they all knew the risks involved. Someone like Palin was always a looming shadow given the way the right-wing media worked, but to me she looked like the outlier, just someone that represented a contingent of voters that repubs had to cater to in their coalition. Someone dangerous, but a type of person who's ultimately unelectable and had to be glued to a vanilla Jeb!-like candidate. Masks, disguises and lip service to decorum would be necessary. But then 2016 happened and of course the US elected an orange caricature with alzheimer's, because why wouldn't it. Now I know better! And I have fully embraced our Onion reality.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:honestly I’m genuinely surprised it took America this long to be consumed by its culture of celebrity
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anime was right posted:we elected reagan lol its been like this for 30 years already we had Reagan than 30 years of classic politics, GWB was as straightforward of a republican presidency as you can get
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:we had Reagan than 30 years of classic politics, GWB was as straightforward of a republican presidency as you can get Except for the legitimizing of torture and a vastly more invasive national security apparatus I hate to be serious in this dead gay comedy forum, but torture is huge. If at the start of GWB's presidency I'd said the dude was gonna allow torture you'd mock me for being a hysterical hippie, and be right to do so
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oprah is gonna run for pres and win and "BUT SHE"S A TALKSHOW HOST/GAVE US DR PHIL" is gonna become the leftist version of people shouting "THIS ISNT NORMAL SIR" at donald trump lol
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Jan 10, 2018 01:26
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It’s going to be profoundly annoying
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Nebakenezzer posted:Except for the legitimizing of torture and a vastly more invasive national security apparatus that's because in the Reagan era, they referred to torture as "human resources exploitation", and they mostly provided torture manuals and training to Latin American dictatorships instead of doing it in US facilities. bush just swapped out the euphemisms. when the reagan-era torture manuals were phased out in 1992, cheney kept a copy
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Jan 10, 2018 03:58
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America was voting for celebrities long before TRUMP or even Reagan. Ulysses S Grant was a celebrity in his time.
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Jan 10, 2018 04:23
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Oprah Win. Free.  it was written in the stars
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Peanut President posted:America was voting for celebrities long before TRUMP or even Reagan. Ulysses S Grant was a celebrity in his time. there's celebrity and celebrity Grant smashed the gently caress out of the Confederacy which owned real hard
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  I’m going to post this everywhere if Oprah actually runs. And again if she wins.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:
thats so epic. the tv made a joke, better repeat it forever
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Oprah's going to get signed in with a copy of The Secret. I thought it was still Hillary's turn though.
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i don’t think a fat person can win an election for president. if HRC looked like Nikki Haley she’d be sitting in the White House.
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Reprisal posted:i don’t think a fat person can win an election for president. Are you aware who our current President is?
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WampaLord posted:Are you aware who our current President is? IIRC he was the tallest primary candidate. i’d bet his BMI is lower than HRC’s.
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Reprisal posted:IIRC he was the tallest primary candidate. i’d bet his BMI is lower than HRC’s. Are you really arguing that Trump isn't fat?
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Reprisal posted:i don’t think a fat person can win an election for president. Trump is shaped like a loving pear dude. His clothes literally strain against him. He eats McDonald's every day.
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let’s not forget double standard. men judged by height, women by waistline. Christie is fat. Trump looks overweight but not fat in a good suit.
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