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Atrocious Joe posted:That seems like evidence that Malema is a turncoat, but not necessarily a fascist? Is development of a national bourgeoisie not part of the point of a bourgeoise state in a semi-colonial country? The SACP being in coalition with a bourgeois government for decades seems like they support the development of a national bourgeoisie. Never heard a fascist say this about LGBTQ people: https://twitter.com/STACGMediaHouse/status/1687316686737723392?t=Mn03Sh1yfz3POgN9WTPSeA&s=19 Check out their constitution, specifically the 7 cardinal pillars which they promote most strongly: https://effonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FINAL-EFF-CONSTITUTION-02.03.2020.pdf There's lots to criticize Malema for, but fascism doesn't seem accurate.
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Oglethorpe posted:not gonna hold my breath that it isn't just lip service (very good lip service) to get the backing of others while the situation is still unstable Do active protests and putting LGBTQ rights in your member-voted constitution count as lip service? https://twitter.com/NMANews1/status/1643193082429440003?t=zLCirvyfOgu7FqK9KF1W2w&s=19 If they wanted to do the populist calculation of paying lip service to gain support, they would've been anti LGBTQ, anti immigration, xenophobic, and followed the other fascists trends that are growing in south Africa. The fact that they are going against the popular grain in south Africa on those issues gives me the impression they're not really doing this for support. Or is there some powerful pro lgbtq tendency in south Africa they need to satisfy that I'm not thinking of?
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Tankbuster posted:there isn't an anti LGBTQ constituency in south africa. South Africa likes to sell itself as this rainbow nation, but we were an openly fascist state 30 years ago. That ideology doesn't die overnight. Here's a good article with some stats that show the contradiction between the pro-equality legal system, compared to the largely homophobic population: https://saiia.org.za/youth-blogs/hate-crimes-against-members-of-the-lgbtqia-community-in-south-africa/ For a lot of Africans who tend socially conservative, homosexuality is seen as a deviant import by the Whites. It's why a lot of the Russian anti woke messaging works here. For a lot of white South Africans who yearn for apartheid, homosexuality is seen as a deviant import by the communist liberals. It's why a lot of the Fox News anti woke messaging works here. Most of the queer Africans I know are staunchly pro EFF, or disappointed in the EFF for being too mild on the pro LGBTQ messaging, because other parties are worse. From my limited experience, most of the gains for LGBTQ rights in ZA has been due to the constitutional court ordering it, rather than a party pushing for it. i say swears online posted:specifically for immigration, malema was elected leader of the ANC youth wing in April 2008, and the next month kicked off the biggest anti immigrant riots that I can remember in the country drat. I don't remember that. I searched now and all I can find is him saying immediately afterwards that the youth league is against xenophobia and that he apologises for... Something? https://mg.co.za/article/2008-05-30-youth-mobilise-against-xenophobia/ What did he do?
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Centrist Committee posted:ban this subversion before it’s too late!!! Tiktok recently appointed some ex military, ex NSA and ex CIA people to help keep their platform safe from
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:but what is a fascist? what distinguishes the EFF to me is that they apparently have a strict hierarchical and paramilitary / militaristic structure. i'd like to learn more about this internal structure. i've read that the structure is based on the ANC's paramilitary wing during the anti-apartheid struggle. but that was a paramilitary wing of a political party which commanded it. for the EFF, malema is the commander-in-chief of the EFF. i'll drop some links and you can check it out. They follow democratic centralism with a military styling, this is explained more clearly in their code of conduct. https://www.effonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/CODE-OF-CONDUCT-06-03-2020.pdf You can see how they're still democratic with for example their organisational restructures, with their leadership elected by members, and the members voting to expand the size of the central committing and electing new members to that committee. There's lots of interesting clues as to their priorities in this document too: https://effonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/EFF-2ND-NPA-FINAL-REPORT.pdf They've been ideologically inconsistent, and there is a mindset of appealing to populism that overrides socialist values sometimes, which sucks. But I still wouldn't call them fascist, merely because I've interacted with a lot of EFF members and they range from Trotskyites to Marxist-Leninists who strongly respect SWCC. I've never interacted with one who didn't seem like they were at least trying to be socialist. Their most active works are to protest for better worker rights, and they've set up a division called the Labour Desk, which helps people resolve disputes with their employers. This has earned them the support of multiple trade unions including SAFTU. If Malema is a fascist, he's one who managed to somehow gather a bunch of diverse, often queer, working class socialists who prioritise women's rights and nationalisation as his members and allies. Maybe that can still count as fascism somehow, or a new kind of fascism, but, as you say: BrutalistMcDonalds posted:it's very weird:
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Libya doesn't like the coup: http://www.uniindia.com/news/world/libya-vows-not-to-recognize-new-military-rule-in-niger/3025242.html France doesn't like Burkino Faso liking the coup: https://www.france24.com/en/africa/20230806-france-suspends-development-and-budget-aid-to-burkina-faso Good article on people in Northern Nigeria having ties to Niger and being opposed to intervention: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-66420693
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PawParole posted:Marvel Hegelism
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KomradeX posted:Does China have a version of this thats worth a drat? I guess the Kuomintang is a version of that.
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Cape Town has been experiencing a pretty serious strike for the past week. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-66445019 Article linked mainly for photo: https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/south-africa/2023-08-10-watch-british-doctor-one-of-five-killed-since-taxi-strike-started-in-cape-town/ Minibus taxis, seen in the article above, make up the bulk of transportation in south Africa, thanks to apartheid spatial planning. The city of Cape town amended a bylaw that allowed them to start impounding taxi's (which are managed by private companies). The taxi drivers were not happy about this, so they started striking. And when they strike, they mean it. The majority of Cape town workers live in poor townships and cannot get to work for the past week now. The city of Cape town has responded by shouting Law And Order and impounding taxi's some more. Places are running out of groceries and medicine here so I hope reason prevails.
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KomradeX posted:Trevor Noah must be chomping at the bit for blood For a bad time, just google "JP Smith taxi" and pretend Trevor Noah is repeating his talking points.
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Frosted Flake posted:Per this fantastic interview from last year, God dammit, I have to watch this, because I saw some of it happen myself. I got Phumzile Van Damme (former member of the opposition party) to follow me on twitter. She seemed to respond well to anti-colonial and anti-racist takes, despite her strong lib tendency. Then she founded this "anti-misinformation" think tank. https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...n-on-fake-news/ A bit later in 2022/23, she suddenly started focusing heavily on Russian influence and misinformation in Africa. I would prod her about the the fact that she doesn't seem to do the same for European and American Imperialism in Africa. Shortly thereafter, she went to Washington and got an award from Anthony Blinken and attended an event with Hillary. I made a tweet about how disappointed I was, that her sudden focus on Russia made a lot of sense now, and she blocked me immediately. I gotta say, it sucks to see the USA scoop up your local influential people and dig their claws in. It feels suddenly very real, and very surreal, and scary. Colour revolutions happen "over there", not in my own country. But of course, eventually that's no longer true.
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It's the Five Eyes Alliance but Japan is subbing for Canada.
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Tankbuster posted:sounds like cape town needs actual public transport instead of a patchwork of private minibus corpos. The strike ended on Friday. A 14 day ceasefire. Cape town has some public transport, but they serve mostly the ("previously") white areas. The new Mayor is going all in on infrastructure with a massive investment, and our national rail service, PRASA, has been actually doing some stuff again by opening railway stations in Cape town. But all this is done under a neoliberal context so I'm not holding my breath.
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Gripweed posted:I just found out that South Africa didn't have TV until 1976 because they feared that A: the sight of white and black people inhabiting the same space on American TV shows would lead to race mixing, and B: black South Africans were so poor the white government thought that advertisements would breed resentment among them. And when they did finally get TV they segregated it. There was a TV channel for the whites and a TV channel for the blacks. Same year the Soweto riots happened, because... Well. The apartheid government purposefully kept Africans as uneducated and impoverished as possible, so that they can be a source of cheap labour for mines and farms. The main sponsor of the National Party was a mining magnate after all. This policy of oppression was a """sensible""" economic decision for mines and farms mostly. However it hinders industrialisation and further economic development when the majority of the population cannot even read. The government kept people uneducated not just by refusing to educate Africans using government funds, but by passing the Bantu Education act which actively stopped anyone from educating Africans. The Anglican church was a major source of education for Africans, but had to do so in secret. Eventually the apartheid government realized they had a shortage of educated labour and started to educate Africans a bit. However they wanted to do it in Afrikaans, which as you can imagine is not sensible for children who don't speak Afrikaans. The youth revolted, leading to the Soweto riots and continued violent clashes for decades. My mother became a teacher in about 1975. The next year, she was told to be careful. She was told to carry a gun and not drive alone at night. She was told that things are suddenly dangerous. But she has no idea why. She did not find out why until a decade or more later. The information segregation in South Africa was intense, and very effective.
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Frosted Flake posted:lol okay, I'm increasingly convinced that ISIS is a western proxy
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FrancisFukyomama posted:does South Africa have any anti China political factions? it sounds like the anc/sacp and eff are all pretty strongly pro china. is it just the right wing parties? The right wing parties push xenophobic rhetoric against Indians and African immigrants mostly. China is a lesser focus for them. The opposition party, the DA, takes most of their talking points from American mainstream media or the Democratic Party, adapted badly or not at all for South Africa. Like the Dems they are strongly anti-Russian, and the mayor of Cape town made noises about detaining a Russian ship in the docks at one point, which I think went nowhere? On China, they are oddly quiet, despite the increasing influence of China in South Africa. China even set up political training camps here which the ANC (and SACP?) sends their people to for education. In other countries the opposition would've leapt on that as a major sin. Here it's just a normal thing most people don't even know. The same vague sense of sinophobic liberalism you see online is here in ZA, to a lesser extent. Usually people remember the stories pushed about Chinese companies being abusive against Africans. Anything that reminds people of racial oppression is gonna stick in the mind here. I've mentioned before about how the USA is influencing ZA politics directly and indirectly, so it's only a matter of time before China hatred is ramped up from somewhere. But for whatever reason it's minor now. I'm now veering into speculation, but I think a big part of the reason is because Naspers owns 46% of Tencent. Naspers is possibly the most influential voice in politics in South African history. They were created by racists and mining magnates with the express purpose of bringing about apartheid to lower labour costs. They succeeded and are now the biggest media company in Africa. Somehow they escaped scrutiny after the ANC came to power. I suspect that they would have pushed anti-China rhetoric more readily if it wasn't for that investment into Tencent they made 20 years back.
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Tankbuster posted:dunno, DA went ahead to build more dams or something when the power woes were a thing. Which is more than the dems do. The NP built that dam in the 80s, and the DA claims credit. Edit: Also, the power woes never ended. We still lose power hours a day regularly. Votskomit has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Aug 27, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/NeilColemanSA/status/1698633152057442581?t=kAICN9lReI5WyItkfdPm3Q&s=19 The universal basic income grant has been in development for a while. Looks like it keeps going forward, slowly.
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https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/summaries/?post=1845070#Echobox=1694405345 Article showcasing the top political donors in South Africa. The majority are close to the Oppenheimer family, who owns De Beers Diamonds. 
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Toplowtech posted:Action SA is the liberal party that split out of the Democratic Alliance, right? Yeah. They're xenophobic nationalist technocrat liberals. Basically fascist. Toplowtech posted:Also lol at the mining magnate basically giving money to any big rightwing party. His contributions match the parliamentary makeup pretty closely. Hedging his bets I think. So unless every single party in parliament is right wing, your take is off. What's funny is that his brother-in-law is Cyril Ramaphosa, the president of the ANC and country. Toplowtech posted:And the EFF marxist-leninists*. They are the opposite of nationalists. They are Pan Africanists who lose votes because they want to abolish borders. They actively fight against Xenophobia, which is embraced by the right wing parties like ActionSA. Where did you get this idea that they are ultra nationalists?
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Toplowtech posted:From Europe i only heard two think about them: really good lgbtq+ policies and accusations of 'CHUD like" behavior. I will be honest you have faaaaaar to many parties with really close name. I may have been thinking of FF+, not EFF. To be fair, the EFF has weird chud-like behaviour sometimes, it's just that nationalism isn't one of them. NasPers, one of the biggest media houses in the world, is located in South Africa and maintains an active anti-communist propaganda campaign. There is consequently a lot of misinformation about the EFF and I generally don't blame people, even locals, for having very wrong ideas about them. The FF+ are barely-relevant conservatives, except for being one of the many small "obviously aimed at white people" parties here.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Was reading about the assassination of Hendrik Verwoerd. The guy who did this was pretty badass. Lmao: quote:a year before the assassination, two people had reported Tsafendas to the South African police as a dangerous Communist, and one of them had even characterised him as "the biggest communist in the Republic of South Africa".
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i say swears online posted:rich mans east of yerevan Rich Farmers between the Tigres and Euphrates.
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Institute of Economic Justice made a good statement about the South African budget: https://www.iej.org.za/iej-statement-claims-that-south-africa-is-heading-towards-a-fiscal-crisis-are-exaggerated/ quote:Today the Institute for Economic Justice (IEJ) publishes research that shows reports of an immediate and acute ‘fiscal crisis’ in South Africa are being exaggerated for political purposes.
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https://www.gov.za/speeches/minister-zikalala-give-progress-and-unveil-construction-100-new-rural-bridges-six-provincesquote:These bridges are being built with the huge technical support of our caring army, the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) and there is a lightning speed in execution. gently caress yeah
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Seems like Burkino Faso nationalised their Sugar industry. Can't get a good source on this, but that sounds pretty neat.
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Bot 02 posted:Tweet's gone, what did it say Something like "it sucks that Qatar is a Slave state cause they're like Littlefinger."
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https://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/banks/Nothanda Magudulela posted:Banks accused of generating trillion in alleged Rand manipulation https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news/standard-chartered-bank-admits-to-manipulation-of-the-rand-760e3230-75b2-4d9f-8ecc-866d8f399479 Siyabonga Sithole posted:
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Maybe old news in here, but looks like Niger isn't getting invaded yet https://twitter.com/Ramy_Sawma/status/1717558645754368378
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https://amabhungane.org/stories/petrosa-pushes-for-r3-7bn-deal-with-russia/Susan Combre posted:PetroSA pushes for R3.7bn deal with Russia Further context in the article. But the fact that they're considering partnering with a US-sanctioned organisation is wild. Shows just how South Africa fears sanctions less and less.
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Mushika posted:I also must apologize, honestly, because what I know of this subject is more than twenty years old. I really need to reign myself in from arguments and accept that I may just not really know what I'm talking about. You need to understand that on forums anyone can say anything and they might be entirely wrong as well, even if it seems that they know what they're talking about Or, they might be right on technical details or terminology, but they're being obtuse. Or they're 100% right but it's hard to pick up on tone in text and then they come across like an rear end in a top hat when they're actually trying to educate people. It can be hard to tell the difference. For what it's worth, Xhosa and Zulu people here in South Africa can sort of understand the gist of Swahili because they share origins (I don't know the terminology). Your point about a trading language spreading across Africa makes sense.
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https://x.com/SACP1921/status/1732484760277045739?s=20 Everyone in South Africa has strong opinions about the incoming National Health Insurance bill. Opinions you often hear include: 1) It's a great idea, but it's being implemented by a party that keeps tending towards neoliberalism so it won't work well. 2) It's socialism!!!1 3) I like the idea, but I don't trust the ANC. I've read the bill and it makes sense to me so far, but I genuinely can't figure out how this may go. The health middleman sector is fighting it tooth and nail, which indicates to me that it's got the right idea. But the ANC has been very good at completely loving up SOEs, so this could actually make things even worse.
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FrancisFukyomama posted:does the sacp’s power sharing agreement mean they don’t have much leeway to push back on the anc moving to the right? it sounds like all of their representation in the legislature is under the anc It's a bit opaque tbh and I'm not sure. I've tried looking into this and didn't get concrete answers. The SACP is guaranteed one seat in parliament by our constitution. Due to this and their relationship with the ANC, I think, they don't do a lot of organising or electioneering. Their chairman, Blade Nzimande, usually occupies an important ministerial post, so clearly there is a lot of cooperation between the ANC and SACP. I'll get back to you if I find out more. However, what makes you think the ANC is moving to the right? They've been bouncing between socialist factions and neoliberal socdem factions since Mandela forced the unions to accept IMF structural adjustments.
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Mr. Lobe posted:I read that as being critical of, but not outright hostile to, the ANC from the left vs the right 1 is critical of the SocDem ideology of the ANC and how the current capitalist system makes it difficult to combat corruption and results in "austerity measures" that undermine SOEs. 3 is largely racist or personal, and usually comes from people who don't even know what the NHI is supposed to do. Similar in outcome I guess. We have elections next year so we'll see how that goes. ANC seems to be trying this stuff with large popular appeal because their numbers are slipping.
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https://twitter.com/nickhedley/status/1740762892893622690?s=20 Hm. I wonder how many of these stand to make a difference?
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Not sure where else to post this. https://twitter.com/News24/status/1750541403061379566?t=ePEvLI-GH3vxdZxOWTsjMA&s=19 https://twitter.com/WemaArts/status/1750598615033168186?t=1IAJ3jTHUH0MlkNInQw0qQ&s=19 Basically, one of the biggest universities in South Africa has a fraternity with a secret white supremacist "disciplinary committee". Real skull and bones vibes but lamer because none of them are even getting into government anymore.
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mawarannahr posted:half of cspam works for the state department or cia. the other half works for the MIC I work for AFRICOM. What y'all doing in my jurisdiction?
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Mandel Brotset posted:I work for the imf, this is my jurisdiction Hail, brother. Please help me with this mess. https://twitter.com/sethharpesq/status/1751002480060612709
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It's really nice to see a thread dedicated to Africa / Middle East where no one falls for the western chauvinist "Yeah we may be bad for occupying them but can you imagine how bad it'd be if we left the brown people to govern themselves?" nonsense, nor the "but what about the white victims?" nonsense, nor the "all I'm asking for is a comprehensive solution that covers every edge case with zero downsides and THEN I'll support your anticolonial opinion" nonsense, that usually pervades most online spaces when they talk about Africa. It's refreshing.
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