[Mideast + Africa] Getting rid of Bongo- but at what Brice?

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Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

guys I went to africa and everyone told me they wanted the white man back in charge while taking my money.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2023 22:43

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 14:42

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

skipmyseashells posted:

all those Christian orgs have been around Africa for 25+ years now with nothing to show save for single story orphanages/schools and a few board members who mysteriously are way richer than they were before opening it up

and gullible white people to fleece I guess

tbh the goon did not go on a missionary trip.

# ¿ Feb 26, 2023 01:08

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

lithium isn't that rare.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2023 16:22

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

they are going to be part of Neom's HR

# ¿ Mar 12, 2023 07:06

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

the SACP is there lol.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2023 08:49

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

think it has more to do with saudi arabia reaching the end of it's ropes in yemen and iran having problems with sanctions. The PRC just locked them up in the drunk tank until they got sober and had a heart to heart.

# ¿ Apr 10, 2023 01:31

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

wow, the last iraqi who managed to get the economy working for it's people was from India?

# ¿ Apr 22, 2023 23:18

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

If erdogan loses the elections then he becomes part of the opposition in Turkey which means he becomes gay.

# ¿ May 14, 2023 15:15

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Fozzy The Bear posted:

I can't find any other source for this. I use Ethiopian Airlines, they are very accommodating and pleasant.

Although Addis Ababa airport was kind of a hassle.

addis ababa airport is constantly undergoing expansion so that makes sense.

# ¿ Aug 2, 2023 23:20

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Atrocious Joe posted:

BrutalistMcDonalds do you have anything on the EFFs international orientation or relationships with Western capital. the criticism seems to be that the EFF is encouraging state bailouts of an element of the national bourgeoisie that include Malema as a member. That seems like evidence that Malema is a turncoat, but not necessarily a fascist? Is development of a national bourgeoisie not part of the point of a bourgeoise state in a semi-colonial country? The SACP being in coalition with a bourgeois government for decades seems like they support the development of a national bourgeoisie.

Malema might be a former leftist youth leader who is now a millionaire and friends with gangsters. Ramaphosa is a former union leader who is now a millionaire and helped shoot striking miners in the back. Why is one of these guys a proto-fascist and the other fine to support?

I'm including an article on the Gupta case because the articles posted about the EFF say they are part of a process by certain bourgeois elements to "capture the state." The phrase "state capture" has been used a lot in the Gupta case as well. To me it mostly seems to mystify the class forces at work and turn competition between different parts of the bourgeoisie into a narrative of corruption. A sort of lawfare over economic policy.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/14/gold-mafia-helped-gupta-brothers-in-south-africa-state-capture

Like, I don't know if the Gupta's are being demonized because they are Indian, or if they really were a lynchpin of the extraction of wealth from South Africa. If Malema is basically a project of saying the stolen wealth should stay in South Africa it certainly isn't socialist, but it seems better than Zuma's style of letting it be sent abroad.

a huge part of south africa's wealth comes from it's mineral resources which are already mined by MNCs based in the first world.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2023 02:04

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Votskomit posted:

Do active protests and putting LGBTQ rights in your member-voted constitution count as lip service?

https://twitter.com/NMANews1/status/1643193082429440003?t=zLCirvyfOgu7FqK9KF1W2w&s=19

If they wanted to do the populist calculation of paying lip service to gain support, they would've been anti LGBTQ, anti immigration, xenophobic, and followed the other fascists trends that are growing in south Africa. The fact that they are going against the popular grain in south Africa on those issues gives me the impression they're not really doing this for support.

Or is there some powerful pro lgbtq tendency in south Africa they need to satisfy that I'm not thinking of?

there isn't an anti LGBTQ constituency in south africa.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2023 15:01

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

i say swears online posted:

specifically for immigration, malema was elected leader of the ANC youth wing in April 2008, and the next month kicked off the biggest anti immigrant riots that I can remember in the country

ah well, you see there are always going to be more indian petit bourgeoisie that need to be stomped flat.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2023 15:03

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Votskomit posted:

South Africa likes to sell itself as this rainbow nation, but we were an openly fascist state 30 years ago. That ideology doesn't die overnight.

Here's a good article with some stats that show the contradiction between the pro-equality legal system, compared to the largely homophobic population:

https://saiia.org.za/youth-blogs/hate-crimes-against-members-of-the-lgbtqia-community-in-south-africa/

For a lot of Africans who tend socially conservative, homosexuality is seen as a deviant import by the Whites. It's why a lot of the Russian anti woke messaging works here.

For a lot of white South Africans who yearn for apartheid, homosexuality is seen as a deviant import by the communist liberals. It's why a lot of the Fox News anti woke messaging works here.

Most of the queer Africans I know are staunchly pro EFF, or disappointed in the EFF for being too mild on the pro LGBTQ messaging, because other parties are worse. From my limited experience, most of the gains for LGBTQ rights in ZA has been due to the constitutional court ordering it, rather than a party pushing for it.

drat. I don't remember that. I searched now and all I can find is him saying immediately afterwards that the youth league is against xenophobia and that he apologises for... Something?

https://mg.co.za/article/2008-05-30-youth-mobilise-against-xenophobia/

What did he do?

Yeah, but LGBTQ isn't an issue in the elections in the immediate future. ESKOM and Zuptagate stuff is.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2023 19:50

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

i say swears online posted:

lol owned. tinubu's party, the APC, controls the senate, but is mostly muslim and northern-based. niger threatened cross-border actions if any plan for force was approved so that could have waved them off

i'm not an expert on the riots but iirc the main targets were zimbabwean day laborers. the indian middle class have walled houses and probably would be more insulated, and i don't think are technically considered 'immigrants' in south africa since many have been there generations

I wasn't talking about the folks living in secure complexes. I am talking about the suprette owners and the like.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2023 19:56

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

tbf those parties really can't do anything because they came into power and were told that their economic transformation policies would have to be ditched.

# ¿ Aug 8, 2023 02:05

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

sounds like cape town needs actual public transport instead of a patchwork of private minibus corpos.

# ¿ Aug 13, 2023 05:05

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Votskomit posted:

The strike ended on Friday. A 14 day ceasefire.

Cape town has some public transport, but they serve mostly the ("previously") white areas.

The new Mayor is going all in on infrastructure with a massive investment, and our national rail service, PRASA, has been actually doing some stuff again by opening railway stations in Cape town. But all this is done under a neoliberal context so I'm not holding my breath.

yeah I know. Either way, the way cape town is spread out, even under a neoliberal context you need better public transport at some point because the city keeps expanding towards stellenbosch.

# ¿ Aug 13, 2023 08:47

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

too much chinese investment in south africa to really be the case.

# ¿ Aug 27, 2023 01:30

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

dunno, DA went ahead to build more dams or something when the power woes were a thing. Which is more than the dems do.

# ¿ Aug 27, 2023 05:06

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Lol that the Guptas didn't even get a mention

Indians once again left out.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2023 17:12

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Votskomit posted:

https://www.gov.za/speeches/minister-zikalala-give-progress-and-unveil-construction-100-new-rural-bridges-six-provinces

gently caress yeah

swords into plowshares :unsmith:

# ¿ Oct 27, 2023 09:32

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Votskomit posted:

https://x.com/SACP1921/status/1732484760277045739?s=20

Everyone in South Africa has strong opinions about the incoming National Health Insurance bill. Opinions you often hear include:

1) It's a great idea, but it's being implemented by a party that keeps tending towards neoliberalism so it won't work well.
2) It's socialism!!!1
3) I like the idea, but I don't trust the ANC.

I've read the bill and it makes sense to me so far, but I genuinely can't figure out how this may go. The health middleman sector is fighting it tooth and nail, which indicates to me that it's got the right idea. But the ANC has been very good at completely loving up SOEs, so this could actually make things even worse.

please I don't want to give premiums to Discovery.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2023 22:05

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Votskomit posted:

We struggle with reliable electricity supply sometimes but I can assure you there's more than one power plant in Africa.

I think they mean a nuclear power plant.

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# ¿ May 17, 2024 14:42

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Weka posted:

you need to switch to the back camera

# ¿ May 15, 2024 07:10

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