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Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

A portrait from today:


Some inquiries into sleep-deprivation-and-indigestion-induced visual distortions:

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Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007


I dunno why but i like this a lot. Not quite realistic but it's eye-catching.

Some recent life drawing, in a slump lately, it's ok




Drawing from a photograph

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Eh

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

I bought a "conté" pencil, compressed charcoal, I really like the color and texture but it's so delicate, it breaks often when i try to sharpen it. Working on speed portrait

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Loose life drawing just havin fun with it



Trying to be more realistic

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Life drawing in a different city, some of the longest poses I've ever drawn: 30 and 45 minutes respectively. I was skeptical but I actually really enjoyed it, mostly cuz the model was fantastic.





And some warm-ups with one of those fat charcoal pencils with the string, where you unwrap the tip. Difficult to get details but I like how expressive it is.


Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

ThePlague-Daemon posted:

Today was just not a good day. I gotta experiment more with brush settings and make some new brushes so they're easy to get at or something because jeez. Figuring out paper textures better and actually using them might help too.


I think it looks cool, I don't know anything about digital brushes but I am always impressed by people building up landscapes and faces and stuff from such fat strokes of color. So different from how I perceive and construct things in my own drawings.


sigma 6 posted:

A repost of a daily from a couple of years back. She died a few days ago, so of course I had to go look at the two or three drawings I had done when we had dated. Never did get the likeness right. :(

Sorry for your loss.

Here are some sketches from a Surprisingly Good Life Drawing Session during which i felt like i was falling asleep but managed some decent doodles






Just for laughs:

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Practicing sketching by drawing some cute girls from instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfbz0ZiHwDs

Something didn't work out with this one.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BfSq97vHEKL

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

A bunch of sketches from life drawing. Check it out. Pretty fun session.







Some warmups and loosies just because



EDIT: Forgot about this one

Radio du Cambodge fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Mar 25, 2018

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Neon Noodle posted:

Radio your contour work is capital-E excellent but I would love to see more painterly or planar rendering too sometimes.

Hey thanks! I would like to work more in that direction but I'm not sure how. I find online tutorials really useless, maybe I will put aside some cash and take an actual class. Because when I have tried to do so based on my own intuition, it usually comes out really ugly and disappointing so I go back to what I'm comfortable with, what gets a positive reaction from my peers and instagram. It is my comfort zone yeah, but I think stepping outside of that would be useful if it leads to growth. And I feel like I need some instruction to make it worthwhile.

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Hmm

SSource: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc9lXjBnicO/

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

d3c0y2 posted:

I loving love your style. That angular lines style is one of my favourite drawing styles and how I'm trying to develop.

Thank you for your comment. Sometimes feels like a crutch though, as the above exchange with user Neon Noodle pointed to.

ANyway here's another sketch like this. These are really fun to do and i like how they look but they definitely don't capture the likeness of the source. There's a resemblance but it doesn't quite get there. Tried overlaying them in photoshop and there are some clear issues with proportions.

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/BZ0W2WfDRxf/

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Bought some cheap oil pastels at the art supply store to try to bridge the gap between painting and drawing. Found it pretty frustrating (kept smudging blue and green parts in where I didn't want them) and I kinda cheated with pencil contours but IT DID NOT TURN OUT AS BAD AS I THOUGHT and this is a minor victory.

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

MTV Crib Death posted:



Sorry for the double post but I wanted to ask a question. Does anyone have any resource recommendations for accurate portrait drawing? My people are starting to look like actual people instead of deformed monsters but they're rarely recognizable as the reference models I use. I don't know the first thing about measuring and spot checking and the like.

This was drawn from a photo of Sara Bareilles btw.

I'm in a similar boat, can usually draw a good face but only resembles the actual model maybe half the time. Getting good at measuring and spot-checking is probably a good start but at a certain point I feel like to get a real likeness you have to capture some X factor, a holistic kind of energy that surpasses the exact measurements and proportional relationships. I'm guessing it's because certain features play an outsize role in giving a person their unique character, maybe a certain twist in the line of the mouth or the curve of the cheekbone, and if you capture those then the fact that the eye is a bit too wide or whatever won't make a huge difference.

But usually I stumble across these by accident, or can't identify what those details are that gave it character when I do manage to capture someone's likeness. This could all also just be an illusion, and what actually gives that realism is the precise proportions and measurements, and my best portraits have just been my most accurate ones. But the above is my impression, from struggling with the same gap you describe.

Sharpest Crayon posted:

Man we don't see enough butt drawings in here, thank you for bridging that gap.
If you wanna go in between painting and drawing, there's always those goddamn terrible watercolour pencils that are terrible and hell, have you tried them?

I like to draw butts. I haven't tried those pencils but based on your recommendation I'll head out and buy the most expensive set I can find. What makes them so bad.?


Here are sketches from a recent life drawing session:

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Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

smallmouth posted:

Day two. I scraped the dress and started over three times. Still not happy.


Something in the shading or the way the dress should fall on her belly doesn't catch that she's lying with her legs up on the chair, for me. It looks like an optical illusion, like she's floating with a chair in the background.


Keret posted:

Hey art goons, I started drawing again after a pretty long art drought, so I decided to try out a portrait to get the gears turning again. This is graphite and CarbOthello black pastel, on ye olde printer paper. I'm pretty sure I hosed up the eye placement, but aside from that, any thoughts/suggestions?

Also, trying to get a cell phone picture to reflect the value range of the actual page is a huge pain in the rear end.

04.19.2018 | Graphite + CarbOthello Pastel on Printer Paper by Kris Nicholson, on Flickr
First things that come to mind. The wrinkles in the forehead and cheek are way too dark, looks like cracks in a clay vase. Not enough texture in the hair. The jawline and chin seem too smooth of a curve, too gradual a transition to me. The shadow line on the forehead seems too abrupt. I would think there should be more shadow on the bottom of the nose to give it depth.

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OK here are some drawings I made. Same old same old.



Is there an ethical issue with dating a nude model from a small public figure drawing workshop? E.g. if you're innocently taking the same route home and you strike up a conversation with the model after the session that has nothing to do with their naked body you just saw, just chatting, and it turns into something more? Or if the model comes back next week as an artist to practice drawing, and you sit next to each other and talk and decide to hang out later? What if you are one of the people who helps organize the life drawing workshop? Maybe there are other threads more devoted to romance/ethics but I figure this is the thread where people are most familiar with the tone and social context of a figure drawing workshop.

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007


Looks great, the wispy lines feel very stringy and physical.

TheMostFrench posted:

Kind of long-faced but probably the best reference drawing I've done in some time. Got lazy with the hair.




The nose seems too long, I can see why you drew it that way since it is his most prominent facial feature. Eyes a bit too small.


Neon Noodle posted:


Happy May Day

This is really cool what is the medium??

Here are some more of the same things I usually draw:




I decided to invert the shadows and do it heavy black because I was bored of the model


Here's a doodle I didn't resize or lighten or anything, just transferred from my phone

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Some butts for the thread. Trying to dip into color again, it's really frustrating. It's obviously not coming out very well but I can't figure out what I'm supposed to be doing differently, what I'm not seeing. Like I wouldn't expect to instantly be good at something new, but I would think at least some of the same skills and experience would come into play. I feel like I'm starting from scratch.


I tried to draw the same image in greyscale and that was really frustrating as well. Most of the shading looks like a bunch of disconnected blotches, but when I look between my finished drawing and the original I can't see how I would do it any differently. As much as I want to think it just takes practice, I also feel like my approach or mindset is off so I may just be digging myself into a bad groove. I don't know what it is that I don't know.


Here's the original, not safe for work obviously, it's from a softcore porn site: https://imgur.com/35GgaKe

I don't wanna be too down on myself, I know these aren't terrible drawings , just feeling kinda stuck. I've been drawing these weird melty guys a lot lately:

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Sharpest Crayon posted:

I think the disconnectness could be the way you've got several lines defining the shadow edge on the upper back, which might put down too heavy a separation on an area where the shading is very light to begin with. I think if you'd "blurred" the edges a bit, making them like that zigzaggy pattern you've already used and following the form of the body with your most visible strokes the shadows will maybe settle down? I think it might be easier for the eyes to accept the crosshatching as 3d instead of flat if you don't have too many layers of different directions of hatching implying a flat surface. I mean, looking at the butt and the arms, you've got lovely soft shadows that follow the form of the body, and they look great! The only difference between them and the back is that you've mostly got one "flat" shading direction in them that you've boosted with form-defining lines.
Also I love your no-nonsense ghosts.


Thanks yeah I think you've hit the nail on the head.

smallmouth posted:

One thing that might help is to remember warm colors come forward and cool colors recede. Warm shadows are tough.

Thanks for the advice! GOod point.

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Trying to turn some doodles of mine into paintings, first in a series painted onto these old geographic photo sheets I got for free (low res phone pic for the moment ), pretty small unfortunately, only like 8x8 inches:



Also, life drawing:

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Really fun life drawing today (I exaggerated her legs in the bottom one)




Another painting

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Internet Kraken posted:

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'll have to try some of the stuff you guys suggested, though I mostly limited to working digitally which makes sketching difficult (I don't have the materials or space to work outside of my tablet). I'll have to figure this stuff out but I won't lie, its stressful as hell to do.

I drew a coconut to feel better.


I think it would be helpful to get some paper and a pencil. Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I think those can be accommodated by any space or material limitations. You don't need newsprint and vine charcoal, strictly speaking. Paper and pencils are often free, or nearly-free.

Anyway as for my own stuff, some life drawing from the past week or so:








a hole-y ghost posted:

Hangin' out @ the ShameZone

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

doodles




doodles

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Bunch of goodies for ya

Life drawing




OK seriously tho




Some loosies. A self portrait and a sketch of some boy's face

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007



Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Al! posted:

i fuckin love the footface motif


Propitious Jerk posted:

Mighty fine deconstructions and gestural line-work, I'm a sucker for abstraction in fine art. Good stuff!




Thanks for the nice comments

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

SexyBlindfold posted:

Not sure if I posted a few of these before, but here are a few highlights from figure drawing classes over the last couple of months. Cheap markers, pens and mechanical pencil.









Awesome, what is the process? Do you do the pencil sketch then come back later and do the shading and contours in marker/pen, or is it all done within the time limit?

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007



his head got a little melted i nthe back here

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Neon Noodle posted:

Nice to see some inner forms there. Keep it up :thumbsup:
Thank you I went to a different session that had longer poses so the ones i posted were a 25-minute and a 40-minute (EDIT which gave me the time to really focus on the inner forms of the face). Also I came late so I didn't get discouraged or bored and I didn't psyche myself out. Just jumped right into a 25 minute pose. It worked out pretty well.

d3c0y2 posted:

Radio your contour is always so loving good. You wouldn't happen to have any recommendations on like art books/tutorials/anything regarding how you learned because God drat do I love your style.

Thanks. Yes I would recommend "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain." That's the only art book I've read, that I can recall.I found it pretty useful for contour drawing but am still struggling to see value and form. I would also recommend, after you do a life drawing session, go home and trace the major contours in pen. I used to do that a lot when i was starting and I think it' may be helpful for muscle memory and line-confidence, especially if your life sketches have wiggly or choppy lines.

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Drawing a rear end & pussy. Not gonna say where the reference is from. Not even gonna go there

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

lofi posted:

Looks good, real subtle focus there. ;)

(Nice pu...cat... too :haw:)

Thanks, no clue what you're referring to though!!!





LOL anyway was a pretty fun life drawing session this week


Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Part of a collaborative effort that will be submitted to a small local zine.

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007




Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007





Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007



Why do i keep drawing butts

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

dupersaurus posted:

Why wouldn't you not keep drawing butts?

I will keep drawing booties

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

I don't like how the eye came out but i had fun drawing this face, reference linked below. Also phone camera reduces some of the value variation in the shading which is mostly what i was trying to work on but it's not like it's extremely impressive irl so whatever.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BmUXA_GBIlv

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

Sharpest Crayon posted:

Wonderful success with the balance between contour lines and fillup form.

Thanks!!

Some more in that vein but I didn't hit that same stride this session



And then there's this




Hmm

Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

I got a book at the library about figure drawing to see about trying to re-learn things the "correct" way or at least to work on shading and volume. Watched a few of the free "Proko" art videos. Very frustrating, despite having a fantastic model at this extra-long session i just went to, I probably only got two or three drawings I'm proud of. I know that figure drawing can be a practice space, moreso than a way to get beautiful drawings on their own, but I'm not sure I really learned or gained anything.

With these I started with just broad strokes of value with a graphite rectangle, then added contours where needed. Kept running into problems with proportion and general sloppiness. Found it basically impossible to keep track of internal proportions and maintain a constant viewpoint when everything is just grey splotches.



Here I'm slowly reverting back to my comfort zone. I found the space too large and distant from the model to get any portraiture going.





I don't think I included any but I tried a few times to "construct" the body with cylinders and spheres but it felt really imprecise and I'm not sure what to do afterwards.. felt like I drew these cylinders and then ignored them to put down the actual contour. I think they might be mainly meant to guide the shading but in practice I couldn't visualize the relationship between the ideal shape (e.g. a cylinder with a single lamp pointed at it) and something like a ribcage with breasts. At some angles, I could see how that would help one to shade a forearm or a thigh, but otherwise I don't see the point. For proportion and anatomy, again at certain angles or poses I can see how it might help to start with a basic cylinder-block-dude but in practice, for most poses, I just feel like it's a layer of abstraction that confuses me, now I'm trying to figure out how to make this cylinder taper off to show that her arm is foreshortened or whatever.. is her pelvis a cube, she's twisting so where the top face... oops that was our 5 minute pose.

Pardon the negativity, every few months I feel "stuck" and try to look into the traditional methods of improving life drawing skills but it all just feels like bullshit that I don't connect with at all. I suppose this is how artists have learned for generations so it's not like everyone is making a huge mistake, there must be something I'm not getting on my end... Maybe youtube videos and library books can only get you so far.

Palate cleanser

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Radio du Cambodge
Dec 3, 2007

I already wrote a similar post to this last night but I must have closed the browser window by accident

Scoss posted:

Otherwise, you end up following shape contours like a trail from anatomical landmark to landmark, desperately hoping you don't get lost along the way.

Yeah that describes me perfectly. I guess my ideal scenario would be "following shape contours from landmark to landmark and never getting lost along the way because of an intuitive sense of balance and harmony of the body" but maybe the only realistic way to get there is through intensive anatomy and box figures and other technical practice. Not sure I have the patience for it though and in any case:

smallmouth posted:

I love your way of drawing--develop that. There's more than enough figure artists that draw "correctly" or "academically," and not nearly enough that draw emotionally.

I feel this too. Do I actually like looking at portraits by that dude Prokopenko? Not really. I don't think they are totally mutually exclusive but I am worried that I will lose some of the poetry and joy that makes me really love drawing the human body if I delve too deep into technical construction. Maybe I can dip my toes into it, get some value from those exercises, and then not worry too much about it. I dunno.

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