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The Kingfish posted:I also hope Bernie is on the lookout for a progressive chosen son for him to cart around and support. 
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The Kingfish posted:I also hope Bernie is on the lookout for a progressive chosen son for him to cart around and support.
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Jan 31, 2018 21:45
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Seriously though. He is gonna die soon and identifying himself with an unspoken successor would do wonders for keeping the American left (somewhat) united. E:^ Figure of speech. A "chosen daughter" would be even better.
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Jan 31, 2018 21:46
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Jeb! Repetition posted:LBJ wasn't even the best unelected president (that was Teddy) lbj did way more for the average working class american than teddy
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Jan 31, 2018 21:47
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The Kingfish posted:Seriously though. He is gonna die soon and identifying himself with an unspoken successor would do wonders for keeping the American left (somewhat) united. idk about that I mean maybe not healthy enough for active politics but people live a long time nowadays wouldn't be surprised if he lasts another 15 years
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Jan 31, 2018 21:48
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LBJ also killed a whole lot more foreigners and set the table for the modern conservative movement.
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The Kingfish posted:LBJ also killed a whole lot more foreigners and set the table for the modern conservative movement. as did teddy only difference was that america had a lot more B-52s in 1965 than in 1900
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Jan 31, 2018 21:49
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Typo posted:lbj did way more for the average working class american than teddy if not for vietnam (which he royally hosed himself on) lbj would be up there with fdr
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Gringostar posted:if not for vietnam (which he royally hosed himself on) lbj would be up there with fdr it's amazing how much LBJ's first 2 years in office ended up defining america all the way to today we are still fighting over civil rights, medicaid and liberals hating america: 50 years after 1968
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Jan 31, 2018 21:50
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lbj's non-vietnam success really makes an argument for political ruthlessness bringing progress rather than moderation or  of course ruthlessness against vietnamese is not too great
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Jan 31, 2018 22:10
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Shear Modulus posted:lbj's non-vietnam success really makes an argument for political ruthlessness bringing progress rather than moderation or it also makes the case that a great insider politician who shares your ideology is what you want
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Jan 31, 2018 22:14
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funny how the modern dems only adopted the need for decorum with respect to domestic politics and still want to be ruthless against developing countries
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Jan 31, 2018 22:14
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a ruthless as gently caress leftist would be the best thing ever only problem is that anyone ruthless enough would step on a lot of toes to become prominent which would make them too problematic to win anything
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Jan 31, 2018 22:19
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Al! posted:the dems are gonna keep promoting ppl what suck rear end as their new rising stars up until the public gives up and lets them run joe biden on the one hand, it's progress, in that they've figured out everyone hates the current established leadership on the other hand, they don't understand why, so they're offering up a batch of vat-grown clones from the centrist labs, whose only distinguishing factor is their youth and whose only personal principle is their ambition, as the next generation of leadership
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Jan 31, 2018 22:32
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The Kingfish posted:Seriously though. He is gonna die soon and identifying himself with an unspoken successor would do wonders for keeping the American left (somewhat) united. impossible because there is basically no one younger than him in national politics that is as far left as him
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Jan 31, 2018 22:34
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The Dems leadership knows exactly why their base hates them, but they are desperate to find One Weird Trick to avoid economic populism.
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Jan 31, 2018 22:35
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Karl Barks posted:impossible because there is basically no one younger than him in national politics that is as far left as him 
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Karl Barks posted:impossible because there is basically no one younger than him in national politics that is as far left as him Agreed. He's gotta drag some charismatic nobody do-gooder out of obscurity and bring him/her along for a speaking tour with him.
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Jan 31, 2018 22:37
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it's kinda crazy if you think about it, there isn't anyone on the national scene between the age of 25 and 75 who self identifies as a socialist other than bernie
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Jan 31, 2018 22:39
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Kshama Sawant is probably the closest thing to a young socialist on the national scene. E: and she is not young and not on the national scene.
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Jan 31, 2018 22:43
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Al! posted:lol if the establishment dems lose 2 bernie just because they try to clowncar him like the republicans did with trump Probably inevitable anyways, as plenty who wanted to run last time were told to wait their turn due to Hillary? Do you think after already being told to do that before their egos will let them stay out of the race? The reason why Socialism died was that Bernie's generation was generally pretty reactionary, and it was fallowed by a generation that was universally taught in school that it was EVIL, combined with being the most FYGM generation ever.
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Jan 31, 2018 22:55
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The Kingfish posted:Agreed. He's gotta drag some charismatic nobody do-gooder out of obscurity and bring him/her along for a speaking tour with him. buncha charismatic nobody do-gooders gonna get vince fostered thanks to your post
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Jan 31, 2018 22:57
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Ideally, his campaign would have been set up to identify potential talented politicians from the grassroot and keep track of them for later use in all sorts of campaigns. Basically, he should have started/still should start a pseudo-vanguard party of his own to subvert the will of hack local/national democrats.
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Jan 31, 2018 23:09
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Kinda like what the DSA should be but with Bernie and without twitter drama.
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nobody's better than bernie, but i'd be fine with elizabeth warren. she's almost certainly gonna run even though nobody mentions her name. she's part of the group of senators who votes against everything related to trump and i'm sure she's not gonna want to take the Consumer Protection Agency's about-face lying down
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I'd be cool with warren
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Warren is basically just a typical dem when it comes to foreign policy right? I mean, I'd settle for her. But I'd choose an untested young socialist over her in the primary.
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The Kingfish posted:Warren is basically just a typical dem when it comes to foreign policy right? I mean, I'd settle for her. But I'd choose an untested young socialist over her in the primary.
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Jan 31, 2018 23:21
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What about the upcoming potential 2018 class? If the left wins some good primaries we could have a couple super fresh congressmen with a national presence.
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Jan 31, 2018 23:24
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chapo go on the democratic primary ballot
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The Kingfish posted:What about the upcoming potential 2018 class? If the left wins some good primaries we could have a couple super fresh congressmen with a national presence.
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The Kingfish posted:Warren is basically just a typical dem when it comes to foreign policy right? I mean, I'd settle for her. But I'd choose an untested young socialist over her in the primary. Serious question because honestly I know basically dick all about it, what would "good" foreign policy even look like in a candidate? I mean, I can guess the broad strokes is "bomb less people" but what exactly would you want to see?
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Tulsi freaking Gabbard
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Al! posted:chapo go on the democratic primary ballot el- or -trap house?
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Droolin' Joe Kennedy gave a pathetic (sad) response to my SOTU which was very big and lots of applause to appreciate the congrats with! 
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Eox posted:el- or -trap house? yes
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WampaLord posted:Serious question because honestly I know basically dick all about it, what would "good" foreign policy even look like in a candidate? not supporting isreal in any way would be fine they could even keep bombing people if they just did that
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the official nominee of the Chapo Trap House Party, El Chapo Guzman. The Veep Nominee is of course Tim Faust
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The Kingfish posted:Warren is basically just a typical dem when it comes to foreign policy right? I mean, I'd settle for her. But I'd choose an untested young socialist over her in the primary. literally any American president is gonna run pretty much the same foreign policy with a +/- 5% difference president bernie would still be droning people it's because the consequences of not droning people is too high for domestic politics: if there's a terrorist attack it's way too easy for the opposition to blame you for not droning enough browns and that resonates with the American public. So droning is just the default.
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also let's face it neither E.Warren nor Bernie (heart attack) is gonna win the primaries it's gonna be someone who can package bernie/warren's ideas together with some idpol poo poo but is younger than bernie and has more charisma than warren so yeah it's gonna be pamela harris or someone like her
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