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hackbunny posted:I remember thinking that the British government could have put an end to Voldemort's little coup very quickly. But I'm sure that there's a good reason why nobody even considers asking. Wizards sure got a sweet deal, they stay hidden and undisturbed [even when their stupid feuds threaten the rest of the world apparently] and they have to give nothing in exchange. I can only assume the government allows it out of post-colonial liberal guilt the answer the books give is that every british prime minister (BPM) gets a visit from the wizard prime minister (WPM) upon taking office. the wizard government has one of their intelligent, moving paintings in the BPM's office, which alerts the wizarding government the first time the BPM's alone after being elevated to the job. The WPM then appears in a burst of green fire in the office's fireplace and lays out the facts of life: wizards and magic are real, you have no power over either, this is a courtesy visit to lay groundwork in case we need you to help cover something up. usually that's the only time a BPM meets their wizarding opposite number. there's a sequence in the books of the BPM getting a series of such meetings, told as vignettes scattered over the chronological years of the books, as the WPM has to keep showing up to explain some terrible thing that's happened as Voldy grew more powerful. given the wizards' propensity for mind-wiping non-magicals who get wind of how things really are outside of arrangements like the above, the evidence is that in rowling's setting wizards basically control normal governments remotely like the illuminati, mostly just ignoring muggles as inconsequential but turning the screws whenever they need something from the muggle world.
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I've only seen the first Harry Potter movie all the way through and a smattering of others, but I always felt the "muggles" thing was really off-putting and seemed like an allegory for racism. Does this ever get discussed in the books or later movies?
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Nebakenezzer posted:But the unregulated market created the problem in the first place The market is cyclical
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SimonCat posted:I've only seen the first Harry Potter movie all the way through and a smattering of others, but I always felt the "muggles" thing was really off-putting and seemed like an allegory for racism. Does this ever get discussed in the books or later movies? slytherin are all basically a poor allegory for neo-nazis because they don't want muggles to get involved in wizardry somehow they remain a legitimate class at the end of the books because  and snape was a double agent all along, and therefore an explicitly wizard supremacist club founded by a wizard supremacist must be okay and couldn't possibly metastasize into something bad despite isolation from the other groupings
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MonsieurChoc posted:Actually, let's go further. One of the most nostalgic cartoons among my generation in Quebec, fondly remembered, is Les Mystérieuses CItés d'Or, the story of a kid trying to find the secret Cities of Gold in the New World during the time of conquest, complete with Francisco Pizarro as a supporting character. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD-9NZsYCQw The best part about this was everyone thought that the theme music sounded like Brian May (but wasn't actually him), to the extent that eventually Brian May got a few friends together (Roger Taylor, Alan Gratzer, a few fairly well-known session musicians, and Eddie Van Halen) and covered it himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqvV7L0RNmw
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zeal posted:the answer the books give is that every british prime minister (BPM) gets a visit from the wizard prime minister (WPM) upon taking office. the wizard government has one of their intelligent, moving paintings in the BPM's office, which alerts the wizarding government the first time the BPM's alone after being elevated to the job. The WPM then appears in a burst of green fire in the office's fireplace and lays out the facts of life: wizards and magic are real, you have no power over either, this is a courtesy visit to lay groundwork in case we need you to help cover something up. usually that's the only time a BPM meets their wizarding opposite number. there's a sequence in the books of the BPM getting a series of such meetings, told as vignettes scattered over the chronological years of the books, as the WPM has to keep showing up to explain some terrible thing that's happened as Voldy grew more powerful. That's terrifying but I'm sure the books make it look cute and funny
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MonsieurChoc posted:When I was a kid, there were these series of educational cartoon telling the story of mankind and science and stuff. I'm sure if I rewatched them now I'd notice all kind of innacuracies and bias and poo poo. I always found the show a bit boring, though; I preferred Once upon a time... Life.
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frankenfreak posted:It's fairly representative of what telling young kids about history looked like and often still looks like. My favourite was Once upon a Time Space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-7gRm3zPbc Aww yeah, childhood right there.
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hackbunny posted:That's terrifying but I'm sure the books make it look cute and funny Not even remotely. The thing about Potter is that it made the wizarding government look utterly nonfunctional until the fascists take over, at which point everything runs perfectly because the incompetent politicians were all secretly death eaters. Then book five happens and all the romances immediately go to poo poo for no reason. Then it becomes obvious that Harry's gonna gently caress his adoptive brother's kid sister instead of the one girl in the series who actually liked him.
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The best part of Harry Potter is realizing that everyone basically calls Mr Weasley an n word lover constantly for being interested in how other people do their poo poo without magic
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harry potter is an underwhelming fictional universe at best. i read through the books once and had no desire to re-read them. i put all of the ones that i had in this "take a book, leave a book" box that's right outside of my apartment i remember when it was an active series, it was promoted as encouraging children to read, but all that came out of it are today's 20- and 30-something (wo)manchildren who say what hogwarts house they're in. i doubt it instilled a lifelong love of reading in many of them zeal posted:rowling has said in interviews that one guy with a shotgun could probably end most of the wizard battles in her books another thing that i hate: rowling actively encourages hamfisted political comparisons towards harry potter books get that OUT of my face has issued a correction as of 20:18 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Broke : a boring story about a chosen one boy and his lameass adventures in some lovely magic school Woke: badass stories about some kick-rear end teens fighting a secret guerilla war against an evil alien invasion using the awesome powers of animals
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finding out that someone loves harry potter has the same respect-diminishing effect for me that finding out someone is really into big bang theory or dan brown does garbage products for garbage minds
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Interest check: another recap of The Bots Master Also I'll change the thread title if somebody tells me how A dumb confession: I played the remastered Icewind Dale recently. It's been awhile since I've mucked around with DnD, especally 2nd ed. DnD, and I think having any race that can interbreed with another is maybe a bad thing Like, if half-orcs or half-elves can have children, doesn't make all three species human? I know this is old ground, but that makes the elves more racist than orcs, who are pragmatic enough to appreciate a quadroon in their ranks. This is especially mindblowing as Orcish culture in DnD is, er, green supremacist to the point they view all other races as inferior
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fantasy concepts of race are garbage, op
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Squizzle posted:fantasy concepts of race are garbage, op Word Like I know the Norse got the concepts of elf and dwarf by otherizing the poo poo out of non-norse peoples living in Scandinavia at the time, but yeah. "Races - what racists think, but real"
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Terror Sweat posted:Broke : a boring story about a chosen one boy and his lameass adventures in some lovely magic school
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harry potter's sociology is about on par with star trek's science
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in one of the animorphs books, jake (the white boy leader of the gang) kisses cassie (the black girl), which iirc teaches an alien race to stop killing. this is more woke than anything in harry potter
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get that OUT of my face posted:in one of the animorphs books, jake (the white boy leader of the gang) kisses cassie (the black girl), which iirc teaches an alien race to stop killing. this is more woke than anything in harry potter iirc the same guy defeats an engineered species of hunter-killer aliens with a single collective consciousness, after every attempt at victory through violence failed disastrously, by flooding their network with every memory he had of his mother's love
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Nebakenezzer posted:Word eeh p much every group of people end up w a big ol body of culture w vaguely humanlike but not human folks more likely that at various times the ethnic/cultural outgroups were associated w preëxisting lore of weird inhumans imo but im not specifically expert on norse poo poo
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Nebakenezzer posted:Word elves are... ?
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LegoPirateNinja posted:elves are... ? georgians have an undisputed high-elven lineage
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LegoPirateNinja posted:elves are... ? These small forest people according to the Norse. Dwarves were these hairy dudes that knew metalworking.
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LegoPirateNinja posted:elves are... ? Saying X = Y is pretty difficult when the origins of this poo poo was tribal bullshit from 1200 years ago.
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It turns out that Scandinavia was where the last neanderthal communities were, and our interbreeding with them gave a one in fifty chance of your child having dwarfism, and so there were these little Dwarf communities (because you'd give up your dwarf kid to them, that was just what you did) and these communities survived on crafting and metal work, as they made good smiths because while they were smaller they were still quite strong and
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Nebakenezzer posted:It turns out that Scandinavia was where the last neanderthal communities were, and our interbreeding with them gave a one in fifty chance of your child having dwarfism, and so there were these little Dwarf communities (because you'd give up your dwarf kid to them, that was just what you did) and these communities survived on crafting and metal work, as they made good smiths because while they were smaller they were still quite strong and lmebo
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smithing is nearly always considered sorcery or an art created by god(s) or both
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Squizzle posted:smithing is nearly always considered sorcery or an art created by god(s) or both Most blacksmiths spend years wrecking their bodies just turning out thousands of nails.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Most blacksmiths spend years wrecking their bodies just turning into hyenas at night
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Nebakenezzer posted:It turns out that Scandinavia was where the last neanderthal communities were, and our interbreeding with them gave a one in fifty chance of your child having dwarfism, and so there were these little Dwarf communities (because you'd give up your dwarf kid to them, that was just what you did) and these communities survived on crafting and metal work, as they made good smiths because while they were smaller they were still quite strong and 
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Zeroisanumber posted:Most blacksmiths spend years wrecking their bodies just turning out thousands of nails. in many societies blacksmiths were deliberately crippled by the community so that they couldn't take their skills elsewhere, e.g. Hephaestus/Vulcan Nebakenezzer posted:It turns out that Scandinavia was where the last neanderthal communities were, and our interbreeding with them gave a one in fifty chance of your child having dwarfism, and so there were these little Dwarf communities (because you'd give up your dwarf kid to them, that was just what you did) and these communities survived on crafting and metal work, as they made good smiths because while they were smaller they were still quite strong and what's your source for this, honest question
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zeal posted:in many societies blacksmiths were deliberately crippled by the community so that they couldn't take their skills elsewhere, e.g. Hephaestus/Vulcan My original thing about Norse other-izing others I got from "A Brief History of the Vikings" The one you are quoting is a joke that I pulled straight from the depths of my rear end d - I just liked the idea of neanderthal blood = stronger than average = good blacksmith. I'm reasoning like Jordon Petersen! Nebakenezzer has issued a correction as of 19:33 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:My original thing about Norse other-izing others I got from "A Brief History of the Vikings" aww, i was all ready to read some new scholarship, not some non-specialist's pop intro book pretty cool that jonathan clements managed to get a degree in manga from the university of stirling tho
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zeal posted:aww, i was all ready to read some new scholarship, not some non-specialist's pop intro book It's is a interesting area, I admit In between the brains of bored sailors creating hallucinations of beautiful women out there on the water (creating the idea of Mermaids) and people catching glimpses of this, and this ugly bastard, and you can definately understand where stories of sea monsters came from Koopas (from Mario Bros) come from the stories of this thing, in Japanese, the Kappa
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zeal posted:aww, i was all ready to read some new scholarship, not some non-specialist's pop intro book I literally went to school for a lit degree with a plan to focus on comics and then dropped out bc I realized how stupid it was
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Squizzle posted:smithing is nearly always considered sorcery or an art created by god(s) or both il faut imaginer sisyphe postant
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Squizzle posted:smithing is nearly always considered sorcery or an art created by god(s) or both see also: alcoholic fermentation
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https://twitter.com/LydiaBurrell/status/972227468533870594
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...gay, that is. And he's 100% correct about that.
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