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In the Alt-Right discussion thread people got onto discussing Disney syndicated TV show TaleSpin Nebakenezzer posted:Is this the same bitcoiner that was so stupid that the SA bitcoin mocking thread actually began to feel guilty on mocking him, as he was clearly educationally sub normal and didn't understand anything? Sestze posted:using bitcoin profits to own a movie theater to show 24/7 Talespin and offer over 300 flavors of different soft drinks. Projection would be handled with a dvd player and a home projection system. Yinlock posted:at least he had a beautiful dream to strive for Kurtofan posted:Of all the disney cartoons from that era, he goes with tailspin ? Inescapable Duck posted:Tailspin is one of those shows that languished in the disney vault forever iirc, dunno if they actually released it on DVD. The fans get... attached as a result. Gringostar posted:i use to love that show growing up as a kid(not a furry) but looking back on it now it was a massively pro-libertarian cartoon and also pretty loving sexist as well since all baloo does is bitch about the woman that owns the debt on his plane while she feels she is justified in humiliating and working him to death because she owns the debt on his plane while thinking she’s going to bootstrap herself into being a billionaire but won’t because the actual billionaires crush her dreams nonstop Inescapable Duck posted:Baloo and Rebecca kinda deserve each other at times. (doesn't help that sometimes they're written as a total manchild/huge jerk while other times are more reasonable. They didn't really do much continuity or personality consistency back then in cartoons or even most shows) Trumps Baby Hands posted:how in the gently caress do you people remember specific details about loving tailspin Pener Kropoopkin posted:Tailspin was the closest we ever got to a Crimson Skies tv show. Slim Jim Pickens posted:Why was it specifically Baloo the bear piloting an airplane? Pener Kropoopkin posted:Marketing tie in with Jungle Book on VHS. Slim Jim Pickens posted:My god, for having such a high-flying premise, talespin is some cheapass poo poo KiteAuraan posted:Same reason Louie the Orangutan was runnin' a bar. Slugnoid posted:it was something to do with sex trafficking right? Inescapable Duck posted:The company is called Higher for Hire, it's obviously drug trafficking Anyway, if the evil candy corn president has become less marvelously awful or just need a break from reading about a group of people who self-select to be the dumbest, most miserable people because they are dumb and miserable, this thread is for ideological critique of children's media spin it, I guess?
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I didn't know about Talespin being a marketing tie-in, but that does explain why the show was basically "a bunch of other shows thrown together" There's the Sam and Diane dynamic from cheers, and a basic premise stolen from Tales of the Gold Monkey - a early 80s Indiana Jones-ish TV show involving a pilot with a Grumman Albatross flying boat in the South Pacific in 1938. I've never seen it I always thought the Hayao Miyazaki movie Porco Rosso heavily inspired it too but it apparently came out two years after Talespin first aired If you've never seen Porco Rosso it's fairly CSPAM insofar as an Italian dude renounces his humanity (like renouncing a citizenship) and becomes a pig-man because of his absolute disgust of Italian Fascism
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Is this a real thing that's happening here
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British cartoon Peppa Pig has been a subject of public discourse in Australia. The conservative party's plan to cut funding for the public broadcaster was phrased as "holding a gun to Peppa's head" in the press. Our Agricultural minister said Peppa Pig was on the menu in a Thai restaurant, and a conservative commentator said the show "pushes a weird feminist line" There's an episode about how you shouldn't be scared of spiders because they're harmless; it aired once in Australia and was then pulled from future broadcast because there are actually a lot of common spiders that will kill you
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I'd completely forgotten about the TaleSpin guy and really would like to know more
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# ? Feb 11, 2018 01:27 |
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How come Goofy and Pluto are both dogs but I’m only attracted to Goofy
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Crane Fist posted:Is this a real thing that's happening here Bill O'Reily blazed the way And then lit more poo poo on fire by starting a beef with Mr. loving Rogers for not being mean and hateful enough, and for thinking emotions are nothing to be afraid of
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frieza is a stand in for western colonialism
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these threads tend to get embarrassing pretty fast, but i've got a tangential question:exmarx posted:i just half-remembered a musical interstitial cartoon on either nickelodeon or cartoon network in the early 2000s, featuring u.s. troops calling on the services of a mummy to beat up saddam. it aired in nz in the early 2000s so i guess it could have originally been from the gulf war
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Stairmaster posted:frieza is a stand in for western colonialism apparently he is actually, like, truly, a stand in for poo poo head real estate absentee landlords and speculators who scoop up in demand land to turn a profit and exploit people. also, kill la kill is about an anarchist and her mlm sister wearing dumb outfits while fighting their mom, a rapist who is like, the human embodiment of the concept of capitalism. i think that's a kids show. and arthur is just plain hosed up. they enslaved that loving dog.
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exmarx posted:these threads tend to get embarrassing pretty fast, but i've got a tangential question: ah, i think i know what you are talking about. that was called 'news coverage of the invasion of iraq', and it wasn't a mummy working on behalf of soldiers, but soldiers working on behalf of a lich. childhood memories get all mixed up.
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People who are like Mr. Krabs run the world.
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i love seeing serious news outlets getting angry about Thomas the Tank Engine being fascist, as if: 1. kids aren't watching it just for the trains 2. parents aren't capable of teaching their kids right from wrong
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get that OUT of my face posted:i love seeing serious news outlets getting angry about Thomas the Tank Engine being fascist, as if:
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exmarx posted:these threads tend to get embarrassing pretty fast It's a thread on overthinking children's shows, it's already there Barney definitely sowed the seeds of anticapitalism when i was a kid. It was so successful and so obviously a cash grab
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Blues Clues taught children the importance of a well functioning postal service
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get that OUT of my face posted:i love seeing serious news outlets getting angry about Thomas the Tank Engine being fascist, as if: I did watch it just for the trains I wouldn't say Thomas is fascist, just completely authoritarian. The lesson in all Thomas stories is "behave as authority demands, or else."
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Nebakenezzer posted:I did watch it just for the trains With the "or else" being monstrously sadistic punishment, only slightly cleaned up for the TV series compared with the books (which featured sentient locomotives being literally dismembered by scrappers, bricked up in tunnels for the rest of their lives, being crippled and turned into power generators in the service of "making you useful at last", etc). Captain_Maclaine has issued a correction as of 18:50 on Feb 11, 2018 |
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Sestze posted:i was into the trains when I was young, it was only after I grew up and listened to the sad story of henry that I realized that something was terribly, terribly wrong with that universe. Nebakenezzer posted:I did watch it just for the trains Captain_Maclaine posted:With the "or else" being monstrously sadistic punishment, only slightly cleaned up for the TV series compared with the books (which featured sentient locomotives being literally dismembered by scrappers, bricked up in tunnels for the rest of their lives, being crippled and turned into power generators in the service of "making you useful at last", etc). What the gently caress
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I guess I'd still rather have my kid watch that than Caillou but that's for my sake more than theirs
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Chasterson posted:People who are like Mr. Krabs run the world. Yeah Mr. Krabs stopped being funny as soon as I started working
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Captain_Maclaine posted:With the "or else" being monstrously sadistic punishment, only slightly cleaned up for the TV series compared with the books (which featured sentient locomotives being literally dismembered by scrappers, bricked up in tunnels for the rest of their lives, being crippled and turned into power generators in the service of "making you useful at last", etc). haha, wow. Did not know that. YOUR BODY WILL SERVE THE HOLY RAILWAY EVEN IF YOUR MIND WILL NOT, I bet it is popular in China Realtalk - For kids who grew up with the original Transformers, the pivotal moment of our childhoods was Transformers: the Movie The original cartoon was pretty good as far as these things went. The essential thing that made it work was the fact that four characters were worthy of the term, as opposed to being the sum of their accents or jobs. These were Optimus Prime, who was genuinely a good leader and heroic, often volunteering himself when it was dangerous as opposed to sending his underlings in. Then there was Megatron, who only cared about his own advancement and didn't give a poo poo about anything else. There was Soundwave, the only competent and genuinely loyal Deception. And then there was Starscream, the treacherous backstabber. These four characters were enough to make the show enthralling for your average 5 year old After several successful seasons of TV, they made a movie. The most important thing in the movie was to replace the old characters so they could sell a new line of toys. The way they did this was by murdering most of the original cast on screen Let me explain: on the tv show, robots got shot all the time with lasers. Usually they fell down. In extreme plot cases, they would be critically wounded. In the movie, these rules are revised. The bad guys attack the good guys in the film's first 20 minutes, and basically massacre them. Worst of all from a kid's perspective, Optimus Prime dies. The levelheaded, noble leader of the autobots is killed, to sell more toys. Really the movie from that point on was pointless. The message was clear to a generation: your moral character is pointless. Make money, or you will be replaced by somebody more profitable in the short term In another very capitalist lesson, the new toys/cartoon lacked the old one's magic. The movie neutered Megatron, taking away his leadership authority, and murdered Starscream as well. (Memory is a little hazy, but I think Soundwave is one of the few original cast members to make it through the movie.) With three of the four actual characters gone (and the fourth of course de-emphasized) the show was not nearly as good, and so short term profit ruined a longer term good thing
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props to Rocko's Modern Life for an unflinchingly negative look at capitalism in a post-cold war, pre-9/11 world
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Jeb! Repetition posted:What the gently caress Nebakenezzer posted:haha, wow. Did not know that. YOUR BODY WILL SERVE THE HOLY RAILWAY EVEN IF YOUR MIND WILL NOT, I bet it is popular in China The Authoritarian Hell that is Thomas the Tank Engine quote:The show “canonically takes place in a train post-apocalypse where the Island of Sodor is the only safe zone in a totalitarian dystopia in which steam trains are routinely killed and their body parts are sold or cannibalized for repair,” a Tumblr user named frog-and-toad-are-friends argues, citing one of Awdry’s books, “Stepney the ‘Bluebell’ Engine.” In that book, a green train named Percy expresses his fear of the “Other Railway,” which is what British Railways, the United Kingdom’s nationalized rail company, is called on Sodor: “ ‘Engines on the Other Railway aren’t safe now. Their controllers are cruel. They don’t like engines anymore. They put them on cold damp sidings, and then,’ Percy nearly sobbed, ‘they . . . they c-c-cut them up.’ ” (The accompanying illustration features two terrified trains facing dismemberment, and, behind them, a train with a chilling black void where its face used to be.)
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the new yorker is nothing more than a high-brow slate.com these days
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Nebakenezzer posted:haha, wow. Did not know that. YOUR BODY WILL SERVE THE HOLY RAILWAY EVEN IF YOUR MIND WILL NOT, I bet it is popular in China The problem with transformers 1986 was optimus passed the mantle of leadership to a nobody and it felt off. I think we were just turned off by how it started but its better than we remember. Transformers is a tale of anarchists vs fascists. Optimus leads by example and even respects the agency of his opponents. He is constantly reaffirmed as the leader of the autobots by consensus and the bots follow him out of shared interest. Any autobot could lead but optimus is the most able. Decepticons are of course villians for villian sake. They war not out of need but lack of conscience for those weaker than them. They could share the energon cubes but refuse to, half out of bloodlust half out of greed. Megatron is trapped in the cult of military pride and tradition, becoming a legitimate threat but accuracy depicted as a loose cannon. Starscream is probably more capable to lead but not worthy in the slightest, only fighting to feed his ego. Soundwave is balances out his unstable leaders, becoming the true menace of the series. His cold obedience to power and devotion to success made the decepticons survive when collapse was all but inevitable. temple has issued a correction as of 23:30 on Feb 11, 2018 |
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temple posted:The problem with transformers 1986 was optimus passed the mantle of leadership to a nobody and it felt off. I think we were just turned off by how it started but its better than we remember. Shockwave was also a stabilizing figure for the Decepticons, routinely knocking heads to keep the squabbling underlings in line with Megatron's (admittedly usually dumb) plans.
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I'll just do this thread a favor by not making it about the Swedish childrens tv of my youth. Politically interesting, but mystifying to a point where one would never progress beyond the details of it.
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temple posted:The problem with transformers 1986 was optimus passed the mantle of leadership to a nobody and it felt off. I think we were just turned off by how it started but its better than we remember. The best part of the transformers comics from the last like five years is that it turns out that no the autobots were shitheads who treated robots with "lower" Alt modes (read working vehicles) like slaves and criminals and Megatron is basically Spartacus who lost sight of his original goal and went full hitler Also he goes on trial for war crimes and starscream, who has become president of Cybertron basically, testifies in his defense and his whole speech is that basically Megatron is a stupid piece of poo poo and everyone should have listened to him instead and it's my favorite thing
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Terry van Feleday posted:I said I was done, but then I realised I’d forgotten something. Something very important.
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temple posted:The problem with transformers 1986 was optimus passed the mantle of leadership to a nobody and it felt off. I think we were just turned off by how it started but its better than we remember. transformers is about a society that has been at war for like ten million years, mostly w the same exact individuals involved and implicitly is about the toll that takes on a people, their society, and their resources—and how they react when confronted w a people (humans) who tho more brief individually are able to build a more majestic, diverse world of many cultures that endure in ways a millions-of-years-old sentient war truck cant match its a show about the glory of peace because the alternative shown is a mechanized resource desert where post traumatic stress replaces culture
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Squizzle posted:transformers is about a society that has been at war for like ten million years, mostly w the same exact individuals involved and implicitly is about the toll that takes on a people, their society, and their resources—and how they react when confronted w a people (humans) who tho more brief individually are able to build a more majestic, diverse world of many cultures that endure in ways a millions-of-years-old sentient war truck cant match A good take I forgot about this but the Transformers movie ends with the autobots chanting "till all are one! Till all are one!"
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Going back to the one sided Bill O'Reilly/Mr. Rogers feud... there's an episode of Reading Rainbow available on YouTube where LeVar teaches kids that being "blind" to skin color is a good thing. In the late-70s/early 80s this was a nice reversal compared to immediately passing judgment on people because of their skin color or the clothes they wore. We've reached a point where acknowledging our relationship to other people because of skin color/religion/etc is a better idea and I cannot believe the alt-right isn't blasting this episode on repeat as evidence of some sort of liberal hypocrisy.
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TLDR but dang that's a really pretty looking movie
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figures this belongs here
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Even if it was due to the orders of a toy company, the Transformers animated movie was pretty transformational (no pun intended) for me to see as a kid with so many of the primary characters getting the axe. The movie may seem like a mess but, in hindsight, they must have done something right because I remember feeling like the plot worked as a child and I think there is some good in showing that war isn't easily resolved and people we care about get hurt, rather than the sanitized version of war that GI Joe or He-Man communicated.
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Nebakenezzer posted:A good take theres a lot of poo poo happening w numbers in that—prime/first vs uni/solitary, a matrix (of values) vs uni, those five faced dudes, the junk transformers who assemble half-working bodies and minds from pieces they pick up elsewhere which i guess speaks to individual and collective????? idk but its one of those pieces of childrens media that seems like it was written by a freshly graduated bachelor of english lit tho the matrix is prob better read in the sense of a growth medium, since its fighting an all consuming force of entropy childrens media fuckin owns
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temple posted:figures this belongs here Where does WH40k say fascism is bad? A literal fascist I know loves it
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Where does WH40k say fascism is bad? A literal fascist I know loves it back when it was created it was mostly a Judge Dredd ripoff, all about the horrifying fascist dystopia where -these- fuckers genuinely think they're doing good while they fly around in a church covered in skulls and murder anyone they suspect might be tainted by chaos, all while the last sane man in existence is powerless to do anything but watch the hell his imagined utopia has descended into. yeah well two generations of nerds later all of that's been sanded off and replaced with "HELL YEAH SPACE KNIGHTS"
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Where does WH40k say fascism is bad? A literal fascist I know loves it The subtext of the universe is that fascism sucks because the universe the stories take place in sucks It doesn't help that 40k has mostly forgotten this itself
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