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Lemniscate Blue posted:And despite having made himself dramatically disliked in so many places, he also managed to campaign his way into winning what, two Ennie awards? I never did hear how that managed to happen, given the nature of the work. Ennie judges are not the most stringent.
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Lambo Trillrissian posted:the only legitimate tabletop gaming recognition is the Diana Jones award, and it still kind of sucks, but at least the trophy is cool Till it got lost and they were too cheap to pay for a tracking number, anyway.
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it's cool and thematically appropriate that the Diana Jones award is permanently lost somewhere in the back corner of a warehouse
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Lemniscate Blue posted:And despite having made himself dramatically disliked in so many places, he also managed to campaign his way into winning what, two Ennie awards? I never did hear how that managed to happen, given the nature of the work.
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Dawgstar posted:Ennie judges are not the most stringent. Cough cough blood in the chocolate cough cough
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Or that time the winner was just the concept of AP podcasting and the person to collect was the herald of compassion herself. You know how there's that stigma around the Oscars that every year one of the best actor ones goes to someone for every movie but the one they were in? The DJA feels the same, stuck in a cycle of constant apology for last year.
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theironjef posted:Or that time the winner was just the concept of AP podcasting and the person to collect was the herald of compassion herself. You know how there's that stigma around the Oscars that every year one of the best actor ones goes to someone for every movie but the one they were in? The DJA feels the same, stuck in a cycle of constant apology for last year. I hadn't thought of Satine in a long time and ran a quick Google. The first results are the allegations on RPG.net, her Twitter feed which has not been used in about two years and this blurb from her life coach hustle: "Satine Phoenix brings over 25 years of storytelling and game design expertise to help you conquer life's quests and achieve your dreams."
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Dawgstar posted:I hadn't thought of Satine in a long time and ran a quick Google. The first results are the allegations on RPG.net, her Twitter feed which has not been used in about two years and this blurb from her life coach hustle: Yeah, her insta is a 180 from the "RPG queen" vibe she tried to pull off before  Jamison is still busy uh, getting silver vampire teeth implants and manifesting that he will go from 2 weeks of guitar experience to playing Red Rocks while he bleaches his hair and goes on a "Beef Quest" and life coaches alongside alien abductee/galactic historian experts  . If you grift in enough directions one of them is bound to land, right?  I feel really loving bad for their kid. Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Mar 24, 2024 |
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Man I'm also 44. She's accomplished so much. I hope for people to someday feel bad for my kid.
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Dawgstar posted:”Satine Phoenix brings over 25 years of storytelling and game design expertise to help you conquer life's quests and achieve your dreams." 25 years of game design expertise, you say? What exactly is the game design you should be renowned for, Phoenix? Name one, we’ll wait. Something that people always seem to forget is that it’s possible to do something for a very long time and still not be any good at it.
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That is just.... unreal. I know they are stage personas but euggh.
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theironjef posted:Man I'm also 44. She's accomplished so much. I hope for people to someday feel bad for my kid. That's already happening now! Just kidding, luv u and Jon. Kestral posted:Something that people always seem to forget is that it’s possible to do something for a very long time and still not be any good at it. I feel seen.
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TG as an Industry: Open-Enrollment West Marches Beef Quest Campaign
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Megazver posted:Given how free GW is with giving out WH licenses, I am surprised we didn't get any WFRP crpgs yet. They did a million Total War games.
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I'm confident we will see a WFRP CRPG in the next five years, barring meteor strike, nuclear war, etc. I'm not sure how long it took Owlcat to put out Rogue Trader, though...
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Liquid Communism posted:They did a million Total War games. Only three ... but with a lot of DLC
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Liquid Communism posted:They did a million Total War games. Total War is not a CRPG.
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It's wild to me that Warhammer Total War only happened once they abandoned WHF for Age of Sigmar.
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Hostile V posted:Hey, in the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey. Aren’t we still in the time of chimpanzees
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Gorelab posted:It's wild to me that Warhammer Total War only happened once they abandoned WHF for Age of Sigmar. Wasn't this before GW went full bore "You get a license, and you get a license, and....." etc. Maybe they wanted too much for it before, but they got it cheap when GW lost interest and pivoted away?
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Deptfordx posted:Wasn't this before GW went full bore "You get a license, and you get a license, and....." etc. It’s much funnier than this. This was in the time of Old Management, who believed video games would be competition for the tabletop so would only license them out very rarely and only got willing to do so for WHF after they killed it.
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Old management also thought they were directly competing with Pokemon so you know, not the brightest.
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I can't wait for Stone/Phoenix to pivot completely away from RPGs so we never have to think about them again. It's only a matter of time before Stone becomes one of those fitness influencers who do a fuckton of steroids and claim they got muscles from a disgusting fad diet.
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the first warhammer: total war was probably already in development when GW announced the end times and led into age of sigmar and the killing off of the old world they had already been licensing their IP for various mobile games, dawn of war, space marine, vermintide, mordheim, etc. with not a whole lot of discretion towards the quality of the developer. But, they definitely didn't treat these licenses as things to be managed - they cared about portraying space marines as exactly correct but not about whether a game was very good what they did not do, as Mors mentioned, is ever let anyone re-create the tabletop game rules in a computer game, with just a couple of exceptions: a long long time ago there was a game that implemented Epic: Armageddon more or less, and, they let Space Hulk get implemented a couple or three times. But those are the specialist games that GW cares less about competition, they really thought that if they let you play warhammer 40k or warhammer fantasy battles on a computer you'd decide not to buy miniatures and play it on tabletop
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Kwyndig posted:Old management also thought they were directly competing with Pokemon so you know, not the brightest. I mean, they're sort of right in a broad sense. Card games, boardgames, miniatures etc are all filling that silo of "things to occupy your nerdy child", and if everyone's spending all their money on magic or pokemon less of it's potentially going into miniatures. That said, not putting out a videogame because it's going to eat into tabletop profits is a pretty bad take. Those 2 audiences are pretty far removed from each other a lot of the time, and has a lot of potential to double dip into people who have the money to spend. GW lives or dies based on bringing in kids bugging their parents to get into the hobby. Mid 30's IT guys definitely bring in the lion's share of money for them, but as those guys die/leave the hobby they need to be replaced by new buyers.
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I don't think wizards of the coast saw sales of its paper Magic the Gathering cards drop after releasing each of the various computerized implementations of that game. "Competing with yourself" is a real thing that can happen to businesses, such as when a company makes a cut-feature bargain version of a product and finds that customers buy that instead of their more profitable full-featured version. But placing your game on a completely different platform mostly just captures more customers who weren't going to play your game that other way, plus lets your existing customers engage with your game more. The funniest part is how low-effort it is to license your property to a video game developer and let them make money for you. Yes, you have to do some brand management and make sure they don't accidentally (or intentionally) ridicule your product or insert a bunch of racism or something, but you can assign like one employee to do that, it's cheap and doesn't pull resources away from your miniatures business.
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The original Dawn of War PC game was the gateway drug for so many of my friends into 40K. Handled correctly, video games can be a huge long-term customer acquisition machine.
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Absolutely it's almost as if your IP is more valuable than a specific rules implementation of a particular game
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Does anyone actually have any insider information on GW's thoughts on this? Because all I ever see on forums is people kind of guessing or making fun of GW about not licensing to video game companies when my personal experience has been that they kind of have been...for at least two decades. Dawn of War came out in 2004. Is this just that thing where goons have lost track of how much time has passed since certain milestones in their lives (like the 80's being 40+ years ago)? 20 years is a huge amount of time in gaming company time and over that time I can recall playing a poo poo-ton of WH games. There's the Dawn of War series, Total War: Warhammer series, Space Marine, Space Hulk, Vermintide, Eisenhorn:Xenos, etc. I think there's been close to 50 games released over the last 20 years, which seems like they're doing exactly what you guys say they should be doing. EDIT: I mean, if you want to get really technical, then Final Liberation: Warhammer Epic 40,000 was released in 1997; Warhammer 40,000: Rites of War was 1999; and Space Hulk: Vengeance of the Blood Angels was released in 1995! I remember playing 40k video games in high school, so it was definitely pre-2000's. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Tom Kirby was, is, and always be a total fuckwit
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Does anyone actually have any insider information on GW's thoughts on this? Because all I ever see on forums is people kind of guessing or making fun of GW about not licensing to video game companies when my personal experience has been that they kind of have been...for at least two decades. Dawn of War came out in 2004. Is this just that thing where goons have lost track of how much time has passed since certain milestones in their lives (like the 80's being 40+ years ago)? 20 years is a huge amount of time in gaming company time and over that time I can recall playing a poo poo-ton of WH games. There's the Dawn of War series, Total War: Warhammer series, Space Marine, Space Hulk, Vermintide, Eisenhorn:Xenos, etc. I think there's been close to 50 games released over the last 20 years, which seems like they're doing exactly what you guys say they should be doing. Tom Kirby, former CEO of Games Workshop, discussed his views about video game licensing in various formats including the company's annual reports. Goons pored over those in the old GW Death Threads. When we say GW was dismissive of computer games, talked about "who even remembers pokemon", etc. we're mostly talking about Kirby.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Does anyone actually have any insider information on GW's thoughts on this? The GW investor reports from the era are out there if you want to hunt them down. They directly confirm that Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Tom Kirby was, is, and always be a total fuckwit
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That was legitimately a line I'll probably remember forever for how intensely stupid and out of touch it was, in turn informing how GW was being run in the previous decades. In the early 2010s stating video games are a fad despite being the biggest medium of the larger entertainment industry, and "who can even remember" literally the most profitable single intellectual property in human history.
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that one and "market research is otiose in a niche" e. the actual quote Tom Kirby, 2014 annual report posted:Our market is a niche market made up of people who want to collect our miniatures. They tend to be male, middle-class, discerning teenagers and adults. We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants. These things are otiose in a niche. The first few pages of the 2014 report are a goldmine of fart-huffing smug dipshit rambling. quote:Because no one seems able to grasp the essential simplicity of what we do there has always been the search for the Achilles heel, the one thing that Kirby and his cronies have overlooked. These are legion. I run through the list from time to time when someone says that computer games will be the death of us – they are so much more realistic now! – again. This year it is 3-D printing. Pretty soon everyone will be printing their own miniatures and where will we be then, eh? We know quite a lot about 3-D printers, having been at the forefront of the technology for many years. We know of what we speak. One day 3-D printers will be affordable (agreed), they are now, they will be able to produce fantastic detail (the affordable ones won't) and they will do it faster than one miniature per day (no, they won't, look it up). So we may get to the time when someone can make a poorly detailed miniature at home and have enough for an army in less than a year. That pre-supposes that 3-D scanning technology will be affordable and good enough (don't bet the mortgage on that one) and that everyone will be happy to have nothing but copies of old miniatures. 3-D printers will never be able to print more than one mini a day, look it up. And only copies of old minis will be an option. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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FMguru posted:The original Dawn of War PC game was the gateway drug for so many of my friends into 40K. Handled correctly, video games can be a huge long-term customer acquisition machine.
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I'll happily admit I never read the GW investor reports, or hang out in the GW threads. It still seems like they produced a lot of video games starting back during the dude's tenure. Also, going by all the grogs I see playing the game, he's not really wrong on his demographics guess  .
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Here's the 2013 report bit about pokemonquote:I have written a great deal over the years about the ‘greatest danger’ facing Games Workshop. It has usually been in response to the expression of some fear of imminent doom. When will the world tire of miniatures? (It won’t; these are not fashion items, they are hobby collectibles.) Won’t all your customers move on to computer games instead? (They didn’t; most of our current customers weren’t born when the Atari ST came out.) How about other games like Pokémon or role-playing games? (Who can remember them, now?). The evidence is there for all to see, but when it wasn’t I was seen as complacent in the face of these real dangers. I don’t think that was complacency, it’s just that we here all make a living from serving collectors and we understand them and their needs. These are paper tiger dangers. The real danger is us. Kirby's view of computer games was a sort of lacadaisical disinterest: he didn't see them as a threat, but also didn't see them as worth spending much time or effort on, despite the huge revenue that space marine made during his own tenure. He was, I think, completely right that people didn't and aren't turning away from physical minis games towards computer games, but that view was completely at odds with the company's steadfast refusal to ever put out a game that actually reproduced the tabletop game warhammer 40k.
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