Sergg posted:

It is demonstrably true that states where guns are more restricted have lower rates of gun deaths.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

The real question is do we honestly care about suicides? One less gun owner.

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About four-in-ten adults (42%) report that there is a gun in their household, with three-in-ten saying they personally own a gun and 11% saying they don’t own a gun but someone else in their household does.

Sergg posted:

Violent crime rates have gone down for many years straight. Right now we're at a historic low not seen since the 1940s and 1950s. We're still orders of magnitude higher than the UK, and always have been.

R. Guyovich posted:

gunchart, for gunchat

khwarezm posted:

Holy moley, could someone explain this? Why did it rocket downwards in the 30s, then explode back up in the 60s?

khwarezm posted:

Holy moley, could someone explain this? Why did it rocket downwards in the 30s, then explode back up in the 60s?

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

Common guesses at explaining that variance (which I agree with to a moderate degree) are:

- Removing lead from paint and then introducing and removing tetraethyllead gasoline due to EPA bans
- Improving parenting outcomes for kids by giving parents access to contraceptives and abortions

Sergg posted:

It did that for pretty much all violent crime and it's most likely the result of massive lead exposure to children who would eventually grow up to commit criminal acts due to damage to their central nervous system. We saw the same dramatic increases in crime and then decreases over time in other nations who added lead to their gasoline then phased it out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead-crime_hypothesis

khwarezm posted:

But for the big dip and rise again in the mid century (and not so much the current decline) was there some specific policies or events that made a big impact? Wikipedia tells me that Lead paint was only banned in the 70s, but was it's use seriously curtailed well before that? Similarly I thought Leaded gasoline was only phased out in the 70s too so wasn't it being widely used for a long time prior where the graph suggest crime was a lot lower than the 70s and 80s?

Maybe the graph is misleading but it seems like really dramatic spikes and dips for factors that seem like they'd be much more long term affairs.

stone cold posted:

that 11% tho

khwarezm posted:

But for the big dip and rise again in the mid century (and not so much the current decline) was there some specific policies or events that made a big impact? Wikipedia tells me that Lead paint was only banned in the 70s, but was it's use seriously curtailed well before that? Similarly I thought Leaded gasoline was only phased out in the 70s too so wasn't it being widely used for a long time prior where the graph suggest crime was a lot lower than the 70s and 80s?

Maybe the graph is misleading but it seems like really dramatic spikes and dips for factors that seem like they'd be much more long term affairs.

stone cold posted:

R. Guyovich posted:

gunchart.jpg is a canonically bad image stone cold

Sergg posted:

Lead damage is permanent and irreversible. The lead damage began accumulating in growing fetuses and 20 years later you see the crime rates spike, then 20 years after lead paint was banned, you see crime rates plummet, because an entire generation of people were raised without any lead poisoning enter the adult world and aren't committing crimes.

Sergg posted:

The Czech Republic allows you to apply for a self-defense permit for a gun. Once passed, you automatically qualify to have concealed carry of 2 pistols. You must be 21 years or older, you must pass a written test, you must pass safety and practical tests. You must field strip your weapon down and clean it. You must pass an accuracy test to hit a target. You must pass a criminal background test and your medical records are reviewed to make sure you aren't an alcoholic, drug addict, or have psych issues. A complete medical exam is performed to insure you are of sound mind, balance, hearing, sight, etc. If you have an illness that restricts you from driving, you will probably be restricted from owning a gun.

If you are intoxicated and carrying a gun, you will be arrested and lose your permit. Armor piercing and hollow point rounds are illegal. All firearms must be registered within the national database. It's a good example of a country with sensible gun laws (by our standards).

stone cold posted:

suck my woke dick posted:

as always, the socialist hellhole country of yurop does it better

Panzeh posted:

why is suicide considered a bad thing

khwarezm posted:

You misunderstand, I'm wondering why there was the dramatic decline in the 30s prior to the big spike that lasted almost 30 years. Lead paint, though not gasoline, was widely used at the start of the twentieth century.

Sergg posted:

Violent crime rates have gone down for many years straight. Right now we're at a historic low not seen since the 1940s and 1950s. We're still orders of magnitude higher than the UK, and always have been.

Regarde Aduck posted:

Doesn't stop posters on these very forums lolling about knife crime island. The damage is done. Americans think everywhere is as nightmarish as their own backyard.

Sergg posted:

Violent crime rates have gone down for many years straight. Right now we're at a historic low not seen since the 1940s and 1950s. We're still orders of magnitude higher than the UK, and always have been.

NovemberMike posted:

You have to be careful with some of these graphs because different countries report these things differently. America reports when there's a death that doesn't have natural causes, isn't a suicide, isn't an accident, etc. The UK doesn't record homicides until there's been a conviction (which is pretty reasonable when you think about it). It's something of an apples and oranges comparison.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

I think it's Pedo Brexit Island now.