MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:

so this shows that what, we have 6 times as many unsolved murders??

Yardbomb posted:

People need to stop going ape over the spooky scary ARs that get used in a tiny minority of killings (But do still work on legislating them too though) and first work on handguns primarily, which are what actually get used in the largest deal of murders. I said it either in the last gun thread or in the orange man thread, people don't pull a fat rear end rifle out of their coat when some thug shoves assaults them, they don't rob the corner store and blast the clerk with them, they don't "break up a fight" and kill some random bystander with them and so on, that's pretty much always some turd with a glock or whatever else.

Sergg posted:

Sergg posted:

Dead Reckoning posted:

OK, now do the same with actual homicide rate, rather than gun deaths (aka homicide + suicide to inflate the numbers). If guns are the driver of homicides, method substitution isn't a real problem, and guns don't make us any more safe, then homicide rate should have a similar distribution, right?

Flowers For Algeria posted:

Guns are lawful evil

CommieGIR posted:

...but they don't make us anymore safer. This isn't even a debatable point.

Dead Reckoning posted:

Safe from violent crime? That's not what those graphs are claiming to show, and violent crime is the purported concern 99% of the time when people call for more gun control. My hypotheses is that gun ownership rates and the strictness of gun laws are not in any way significantly correlated with violent crime or homicide rates, because the thing that drives people to commit crimes is not access to the means.

Yardbomb posted:

Please don't humor DR.

CommieGIR posted:

Gun Regulation works.

Yardbomb posted:

People need to stop going ape over the spooky scary ARs that get used in a tiny minority of killings (But do still work on legislating them too though) and first work on handguns primarily, which are what actually get used in the largest deal of murders. I said it either in the last gun thread or in the orange man thread, people don't pull a fat rear end rifle out of their coat when some thug shoves assaults them, they don't rob the corner store and blast the clerk with them, they don't "break up a fight" and kill some random bystander with them and so on, that's pretty much always some turd with a glock or whatever else.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Good gun regulation works. Too bad so much of it is stupid.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Good gun regulation works. Too bad so much of it is stupid.

Jaxyon posted:

AR's are used in Mass shootings, people want those to stop.

CommieGIR posted:

At this point: We know it works in pretty much any form

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Nothing about the AR platform makes it uniquely useful for murder.

CommieGIR posted:

.......do I even have to bother to disprove this?

Rent-A-Cop posted:

I mean, go ahead and try? Maybe I'll learn something.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

The AWB demonstrably did nothing to reduce crime. Yet Democrats love calling for it's return. The epitome of 'Do something!" lawmaking.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Because they are popular and because the media lionizes the shooter and the gun after every incident.

Nothing about the AR platform makes it uniquely useful for murder.

CommieGIR posted:

.......do I even have to bother to disprove this?

CommieGIR posted:

Your right, shooters just choose it because its so popular versus any actual combat specifics that make it an appealing combat weapon. That's why the DoD chose the M4 obviously, they just wanted to fit in with the crowd.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

I was kinda hoping you'd try. That would have been interesting.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

I was kinda hoping you'd try. That would have been interesting.

CommieGIR posted:

Low effort in, low effort out.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Type bans are stupid and easy to circumvent. If you want to make a difference you ban semiauto rifles entirely and shift the mass murderers to carbines, which may be slightly less effective in shooting unarmed people at point blank.

Wakko posted:

1) having an armed populace serves a social good

Dead Reckoning posted:

OK, now do the same with actual homicide rate, rather than gun deaths (aka homicide + suicide to inflate the numbers). If guns are the driver of homicides, method substitution isn't a real problem, and guns don't make us any more safe, then homicide rate should have a similar distribution, right?

CommieGIR posted:

"Slightly Less" Yes, I forgot how quickly a person can accurately bump fire my Mauser. That god damned bolt is so easy to cycle with one finger.

Wakko posted:

Instead one side sees guns as only for murdering kids and the other side sees them as magic totems of masculinity so lol we live in the worst of all worlds.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Pistol caliber carbines is what I meant and you know that because your Mauser hasn't fit the definition of "carbine" for a century.

Wakko posted:

If both sides of gunchat could come together in good faith and acknowledge

1) having an armed populace serves a social good
2) doing everything possible to keep arms out of the hands of people likely to use them for mass shootings is a social good

there are a raft of legislative options and incentives that could radically reduce gun violence in america. Instead one side sees guns as only for murdering kids and the other side sees them as magic totems of masculinity so lol we live in the worst of all worlds.

CommieGIR posted:

...that really doesn't change anything, the argument you are presenting is a highly accurate and easily rapid-fire weapon even in semi-auto form is somehow "slightly less" dangerous than a bolt action or vintage carbine,.