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Yeah I don't have a GRC and it's never affected my life. It might if I ever want to get married I think but besides that everything legal already recognises me as a woman.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Nah they're just blaming HAMAS Haha Christ 130 children. At least the responses are overwhelmingly shaming.
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Mar 31, 2018 13:12
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As its brought up in that article and we have a few trans people in this thread, what were your thoughts on that Munroe Bergdorf tweet listed in the graun article?
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Spangly A posted:I helped some trans friends with the legal/paperwork load, so I'll have a crack until the threads transitioned posters want to write something better 
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Mar 31, 2018 13:22
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I want to suplex a tory
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Mar 31, 2018 13:24
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In unrelated news, there's a new memorial stone been unveiled in Leicester Market and it's good. Don't suplex a tory on it though, you might damage it.
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Namtab posted:I want to suplex a tory Personally I'd go for a burning hammer (and sickle).
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Mar 31, 2018 13:31
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I'm going to hulk out on any torys itt, but in a not racist way
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Mar 31, 2018 14:00
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https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/979789697127014403?s=19 I may disagree with your methods but I'll defend to the death your right to protect your
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There's a hilariously  editorial in today's Times about how Corbyn refuses to compromise:quote:'My party is led by a man who prefers to entrench division on every occasion instead of searching for common ground'
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Mar 31, 2018 14:39
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I'm engaging on Facebook with people and that Times poll about Corbyn addressing anti-Semitism for the first time. So far no one has given a real example where they think Labour has not acted properly but drat it if Corbyn isn't acting hard enough on the matter.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/979789697127014403?s=19 okay stella "those few protestors intent on harming israeli civilians" who, how and why? who of the marchers intended to harm israeli civilians? can't just go loving saying something like that and not have any examples to point to. how were they able to endanger israeli civilians in any way? they were marching, predominantly or even entirely unarmed, on a heavily militarised border, manned by troops, tanks and snipers. what kind of danger could israeli civilians be facing in those circumstances? why? why would they be marching with the intent of harming israeli civilians when the protest was explicitly about securing their own civil and political rights? in the whole "clashes" narrative we see, the israeli violence is always there, explicitly, in the plain sight, but the ostensible violence of the palestinians that shores up the both sides-ness of it is wily, ephemeral and relies on caricaturing the palestinian people as so cunning, so perfidious and so furtive and covert in their acts of violence that they're seen as an ever-present threat even when unarmed and undertaking no violent action whatsoever
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It didn't take much reduce our I/P politics to the level of the US. Special plucky Israel. Only democracy in the middle east. A shining beacon.
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They were killing people in the fields around the border fence with artillery hours before the protests. The Most Moral Army.
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Citations Needed (the best left-wing podcast out there IMO) did a two parter on the Middle East """"peace process""""", particularly how there are constant pleas from Britain and the US like in the Stella Creasy quote above, while nothing is ever done to meaningfully curb the power of the Israeli state or to address the settlement building program which has an explicit goal of making a viable Palestinian state impossible. https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-28-the-asymptotic-two-state-solution-part-i https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-28-the-asymptotic-two-state-solution-part-ii
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:They were killing people in the fields around the border fence with artillery hours before the protests. The Most Moral Army. I think 'most moral army' just means they do all the same awful poo poo regular armies do but they feel sad when they get back to base. Anyway, Stella Creasy could have made the same statement quicker by just getting on a soapbox and shrugging once.
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Not Operator posted:I think 'most moral army' just means they do all the same awful poo poo regular armies do but they feel sad when they get back to base. No no, it means that anything they do is moral by default and suggesting otherwise is disgusting antisemitism.
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If she's ignorant about the conflict she could serve everyone a lot better by refraining from comment. If she's smart enough to know what she's saying, the way she set out to phrase that statement betrays a twisted orientalist presumption of murderous intent in how she views Palestinians.
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TomViolence posted:If she's ignorant about the conflict she could serve everyone a lot better by refraining from comment. It's the usual "bad thing happened, have to say something so I'll just condemn violence on all sides" thing The best part is it comes out exactly the same whether you're looking to make the most milquetoast protest you can without offending the side you want to criticise, or you want to justify what's happened by blaming the other side
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Seaside Loafer posted:I know its a contentious issue but I want to understand. What are 'the rules' for self identifying as your not original gender. In all the debates and arguments it seems like anyone can just decide to self-identify as whatever and it is because a person decides makes it so. Dont have a problem with that personally but is it a real commitment, does it even matter if it isn't? Well I don't understand this stuff either really, but I thought feminism was more about equality of opportunity and freedom from patriarchal obligations, not about defending gender boundaries from "threats from without"? I'm fine with people choosing to be a different gender for one day or the rest of their lives if that makes them happier. If someone sees that as a threat to their own gender identity for some reason, that's their problem imo at least.
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Also I wouldn't defend or enforce gendered rules on clothing even if the queer community made it known they prefer their straight males dressed like straight males or whatever. Because enforcing gendered rules on clothing is pretty repressive if you think about it
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Mega Comrade posted:As its brought up in that article and we have a few trans people in this thread, what were your thoughts on that Munroe Bergdorf tweet listed in the graun article? The tweet is fairly concise so it's fairly easy to read it as saying one should never talk about genitals at a women's march not ever (especially if you already believe this is what the dastardly trans lobby wants), but I think her point is just to avoid using having a vagina as a definition for being a woman, and be aware that when you say "people with vaginas" you're not talking about and only about all women. Like, you can speak out about gay marriage at a gay pride march while acknowledging that not all queer people want to get married, you can get mad about issues faced by trans women at a trans rights march while not saying that all trans people are trans women (despite what mumsnet believes), and you can talk about reproductive issues at a women's march while not implying your march is only for people with a particular genital. When there's a subset of feminists who are using that sort of language as a way of leading into bashing trans rights it's also good to be aware and avoid looking like you're advocating a position you're not and maybe make a particular effort to make clear that trans people are included. Basically, I think it's a remark about being sure to be inclusive of trans people (and black women, which she mentions in the next tweet on) that has been seized upon by a group of people with a vested interest in making it seem like the transes want to ban you from saying "vagina". This sort of thing is a fairly common occurrence any time any trans person on the internet says anything, from what I can gather.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Well I don't understand this stuff either really, but I thought feminism was more about equality of opportunity and freedom from patriarchal obligations, not about defending gender boundaries from "threats from without"? Out of interest, what do you think of Rachel Dolezal? On one hand I feel if she genuinely wants to identify as black, then she should go ahead. But I'm also much more reluctant to criticise black people who are angry with her than I am to criticise women who are angry with trans women. And I'm not quite sure why. coffeetable fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Mar 31, 2018 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:It didn't take much reduce our I/P politics to the level of the US. Special plucky Israel. Only democracy in the middle east. A shining beacon. That is what really pissed me off. The same tactic has been deployed in the US for decades to knock people out of politics. The spurious anti-semitism smear seems to be used as the most powerful political weapon because the accused is hard pressed to make any move without handing the accusers more poo poo to smear them with. You can't address why the smear is disingenuous because doing so would involve asking basic questions that over decades have come to be within the now ridiculous bounds of what is considered anti-semitic. I am just glad that people seem to be able to see through it
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coffeetable posted:Out of interest, what do you think of Rachel Dolezal? I think it's because the barrier between races still exists in a stronger sense than the barrier between genders. Yes, we still have things like the gender pay gap but we get women in positions of power and women have opportunities for social mobility and strong voices throughout society supporting them. The same isn't true of race. We're still a fair few decades behind on the racial diversity front, people identifying as BAME face bigger challenges for that identity than women do for theirs. So as a society the idea of transethnicity is not a conversation we're ready to have because the playing field still isn't close to level.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I stopped reading the Graun thanks to its Corbyn coverage, and actively removed it from my Google and Facebook feeds when they called Black Panther "mediocre". didn't Bradshaw give it 4 stars?
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Also because what Dolezai’s doing really does come across as a creepy appropriation of fetishised blackness. This article remains a good article.
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Bringing up Dolezal is a massive dogwhistle and not worth engaging with. Being transrace is not a medically identified condition, it's on the level of Reddit identifying as an attack helicopter.
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Not So Fast posted:Bringing up Dolezal is a massive dogwhistle and not worth engaging with. Being transrace is not a medically identified condition, it's on the level of Reddit identifying as an attack helicopter. I do think there's a legitimate form of medical research there to investigate whether it exists as a form of body dysmorphia. Having felt what it's like to look in the mirror and feel something wrong looking back at you I can see how things like skin colour could potentially bring up similar feelings. Obviously this is different to taking on the cultural trappings and heritage associated with certain ethnicities which isn't cool.
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Transracialism is already a concept anyway, referring to people of mixed heritage and the unique perspectives (and struggles) that come from being as such.
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That negroplasty episode of South Park was the product of a different world, eh? That's me, Crispix, bringing intellectual rigour and a touch of class to ukmt.
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There is actually a white American journalist who darkened his skin and travelled through the pre-Civil Rights Act south, documenting his treatment to explain to white people what it was like on the other side of the line of privilege. It's one of those books I've always meant to get around to reading.
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Of course, part of the reason why I hadn't is because there are black peoples' experiences already out there, so it's not like it's something needed in a country like ours that is, in some ways, more woke than pre-CRA USA. It's more just an interesting thing to read about a white man going "whoa these white people are so cruel!"
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Obviously this is complete speculation as the cause for people being transgender is up in the air at this point, but if there's any biological part in the matter it seems a lot more possible for the process making a person's brain to take on a different sex than the process constructing their genitals than it would be for a person to be given a mind that expects to be a person with a genetic makeup that originated from a different part of the world. Also, y'know, a hell of a lot more transgender people exist than people who express a need to live as a different race to the point of preferring death, so there's that.
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Tesseraction posted:Of course, part of the reason why I hadn't is because there are black peoples' experiences already out there, so it's not like it's something needed in a country like ours that is, in some ways, more woke than pre-CRA USA. It's more just an interesting thing to read about a white man going "whoa these white people are so cruel!" It sort of reminds me of the tendency of hacks in this country to go do a few weeks slumming it in proleface to be able to write about the plight of the working class, rather than maybe seeking out the perspectives of actual working class people and letting them write a column. Or the undercover millionaire boss type programs or stuff like that. I mean, obviously it's not a one-to-one comparison since race generally isn't as ephemeral a category as class is, but it is pretty funny to see these folk do the Alan Partridge's Scissored Isle thing of working in a Tesco for a bit and thinking it gives them valuable insights into the inner mind of that most elusive creature, the authentic British peasant. TomViolence fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Mar 31, 2018 |
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I think ultimately it says that the opinion of whoever is behind the article or programme doesn't think people who actually work in that job are sufficiently able to express their feelings on it. I guess this is the same attitude that leads to "but the economy is doing so well, why would you idiots vote leave?".
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Angepain posted:Obviously this is complete speculation as the cause for people being transgender is up in the air at this point, but if there's any biological part in the matter it seems a lot more possible for the process making a person's brain to take on a different sex than the process constructing their genitals than it would be for a person to be given a mind that expects to be a person with a genetic makeup that originated from a different part of the world.
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TomViolence posted:It sort of reminds me of the tendency of hacks in this country to go do a few weeks slumming it in proleface to be able to write about the plight of the working class, rather than maybe seeking out the perspectives of actual working class people and letting them write a column. Or the undercover millionaire boss type programs or stuff like that. Polly Toynbee actually wrung a book out of doing exactly that - "Hard Work". She went around fraudulently claiming benefits, needlessly occupying a flat that others were likely desperate to get into and wasting the time of people at the job centre, social services and people at places that had jobs to fill. This was her doing her bit in the world 
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They used to replay that Soul Man movie all the time on TV up until about 10 years ago. I remember not really thinking much about it either way, but in respect it's pretty loving mental
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Not Operator posted:I think 'most moral army' just means they do all the same awful poo poo regular armies do but they feel sad when they get back to base. before they bomb the giant prison they drop leaflets telling people to leave no you aren't allowed to leave
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