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Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
I like the dichotomy that Trump is both the far-seeing head of an all powerful secret state apparatus (tribunals that investigate and execute senators in secret) and that Trump is also the victim of a farseeing all powerful state apparatus (the deep state).

Neither of which is visible to the casual observer but both consisting of all the elements of the visible government.

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Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

twistedmentat posted:

One of the best things is he talks about why Conspiracy theories and such are dangerous. Its not that large number of people will believe in them, but it will filter out in a waterdowned form into the mass public. They'll hear "Hillary is a bad person" and that will stick in their mind and influence their decisions.

I'm sure many people think that Hillary paid to have a former employee killed by a cop in a mid-west town.

Yes, on it's surface it's insane. Yes, it was one of the first, 'fake news' items debunked as being written and published on news portal for a small town newspaper that didn't exist for a town that doesn't exist.

You repeat a lie enough times and some people will just accept it. Forever.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
Wait, the Santa Tracker is a CIA service?

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Platystemon posted:

NORAD, because one of their telephone numbers was misprinted in an advertisement way back when.

e: This is apparently an embellishment.

The claim was that Q took down 7 CIA super computers and the visible evidence is that the Santa Tracker was briefly inaccessible.

Therefore the Santa Tracker is a service hosted on CIA super computers.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

business hammocks posted:

When did Q go from describing things the president was doing to doing heroic things all by himself? What’s his stated goal, if any?

Well obviously Trump is Q. Duh.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
Oh man don’t you see? *rips bong* We are all Q and we are all HRC and we are all Alice and remember what the dormouse said!

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Relevant Tangent posted:

There are zero sane people touching the poop on Q. That includes people fighting the Qult.

The feces is so thick and sticky that even just reading the posts second hand here gets a bit on you.

The schadenfreude is p. nice though.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
The greatest evidence against there being a deep state is these idiots continued posting.

Any actual world controlling conspiracy would have disappeared them all long ago.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Tollymain posted:

basically a group of reactionary sorts dealing w cognitive dissonance (because the world isnt the one they want/believe it to be) will become a place where people become hardliners or be driven out

Just to be clear the ones driven out don’t necessarily become sane. They usually just fracture off into another splinter of crazy.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
Initially, the Viet Mihn were openly backed by the US as well.

It seems that the worlds complaints about the US being fickle when who decides foreign policy changes every 4 to 8 years may have some merit to it.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Space Skeleton posted:

It's also worth remembering that Q was not the only "prophet" posting to a chan board and still isn't, this is just the one some merch sellers signal boosted probably because one of them was at one point posting as Q. It's always always always about selling merch to fools.

Somehow that just makes so much sense.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
Evidence tieing r/the_donald content directly to Russian state sponsored propaganda.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fuckthealtright/comments/9hexg5/the_donald_is_actively_promoting_russian/

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Post poste posted:

Does anyone have what was posted before it got thrown in the Happy Fun Time Memory Bin?

The synopsis is that the poster traced 1000s of posts back through a chain of redirection to a specific domain in Russia owned by the state that publicly claimed that it was state run/operated and that the listed owners/board members of the domain are pretty much Putin direct reports.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Corsair Pool Boy posted:

... while somehow remaining ignorant enough of The Plan that Q can continue to offer Totally Real warnings and information about how They are being countered.

Except you see that Q only posts anonymously and so anyone could be pretending to be Q and only the weaponized autists of CP/Neo-Nazi boards (also posting anonymously and could be anyone) are the only ones who can determine what is a real Q post and what the true revealed meaning is... Much like the bible, even though written by humans, is infallible because it's the bible.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Mr.Unique-Name posted:

They're going to say bombs are false flags and ignore it. How is there any question on this?

It’s like they are completely disconnected from the hyperbolic death threats they made 30 seconds ago.

They spend all their time ranting about killing too dems and then someone tries it and they are all like, “couldn’t have been us! We would never!”

Actually come to think of it this is exactly what Trump does.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
Ah yes random patterns in random data.

If you just transform it this way, it almost makes sense!

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:

Im not sure how a religious person can see this poo poo and not have a serious crisis of faith. This is insane. These people are seriously one mental break away from starting to worship a confirmed 4chan basement troll. They already have holy symbols and phrases and quote their basement prophet by the verse number/post number and it's only been a year.

Both are internally inconsistent so you either must accept them on faith or reject them, at least partially.

Religion you can reject partially and still have a meaningful personal relationship with God.

If you partially reject Q you still have nothing because it requires that you accept it all. If a portion of it is wrong then whole thing collapses.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
"50 elites attempt to pull 5 trillion from the world economy."

Well, let's see. 5 trillion over 50 is 100 billion per elite.

Jeff Bezos is the only person in the world with a personal worth over 100 billion.

Therefore it must have been Jeff Bezos and 49 of his clones!

I love that this whole part seems to be predicated on some idea that you can just move major multinational assets, like Amazon, out of the economy in the middle of the night. It's like a special ATM that rich people have.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
Bottom of the previous page? Not that hard to find. Everyone on this page has been talking about it.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
Scene: Late night desk at the World Bank

Junior Analyst: "Sir, a withdrawl request just came over the wire. A big one! 5 trillion dollars!"

Senior Analyst: "Who is making the withdrawl?"

JA, "Uh, it says, Literally Satan Inc, your SJW left overlords - P.S. We are totally not going to give everyone health care with this money, pinkie swear.".

SA, "Hmm, something seems fishy here. Let's call Trump on the hotline! What? He's in a secret bunker? Pick up the special line to Putin! He'll know what to do!"

JA, "Whew, world financial crisis narrowly averted!!!"

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

fishmech posted:

In the actual for real military? There are set schedules for when you're eligible to move from rank to rank as an officer, and also a separate schedule for basically when they'll boot you from the military if you're not rising fast enough and don't have special dispensation to stay at a particular rank.

It is something like the earliest you could go from freshly commissioned second lieutenant out of the military academy at age 21 or so to a one star general is 25 years so age 46, and then only if you were performing exceptionally well and at the higher ranks there was a convenient set of people retiring ahead of you to ensure you weren't delayed there (as there are only limited slots available at the higher ranks). A friendly senator can't really help you there, there are hard and fast rules on what one needs to have done to be allowed in the candidate pool at the high ends.

In older times when we had massive drafted armies and stuff, a lot of people could get rapid battle theater promotions, but those often wouldn't stick in peace time, or you'd "have" a high rank but not get the pay or benefits at home until enough time had passed.

Eh, in the actual US military many positions, along with their attendant rank, require that their nominations be confirmed by the Senate. So, not only is a Senator friend important, it's actually of pretty much a requirement.

General officer appointments:
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/noms_confn.htm

An example:
https://www.congress.gov/nomination/115th-congress/2376

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Jethro posted:

So how much do you want to bet that the pending Maxwell arrest is what got Berman fired from SDNY, and would any QAnonist even care.

The Berman firing is probably related to this. Preet Bahara said in his Podcast something along the lines of 'once the case is revealed everyone will say, Oh that's what that was about" Notably, Preet confirmed that Berman called him while deciding what to do as Preet has unique knowledge in that area.

As far as Qanon goes, no, they won't care. They have convinced themselves that it's the left doing child trafficking and the only thing sworn testimony from Maxwell would do is to reaffirm that the FBI and DOJ are tools of the Deep State. Never mind that Berman was Trumps choice for the position and that Barr apparently fired him to attempt prevent this prosecution proceeding. The deep state is just that deep.

Meanwhile the TRUE PATRIOTs at Q headquarters are playing the game of Reddit being a chinese front company because of the 5% stake from tencent as demonstrated by their crack down on violent hate speech in their private forum which somehow is both an abuse and reaffirmation of the 1st amendment which is going to get them all arrested. Apparently by the deep state ChiCom controlled FBI?

That is while they are trying to suss out how Hillary is going to personally plant the explosives at Mt. Rushmore.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

The Rabbi T. White posted:

How loving delusional do you have to be to start seeing the letter Q in fireworks?

When your entire shtick is finding meaning in random patterns you are going to find meaning in random patterns.

If Trump wanted to signal Q in fireworks he would have just done 500 Q's in a row. Not slid one in randomly.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
At this point I think Atlas Shrugged has to be in the running for most harmful book ever written.

It’s a work of fiction where everything is, ‘just so’ and yet whole swaths of the population have consumed it at face value as though it has fundamental truth.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

The Sausages posted:

Maybe not that complex but not that simple either. Human psychology is complex but not unfathomable and the mythology angle is just a way of building a working model of how people are led into such headspaces. For one person I know this sort of thing has been integrated into their religion to the point where in response to criticising their 5G opinions as being a mainstreaming of schizophrenic paranoid delusions they responded with "stop persecuting me"; their faith and their belief in conspiracies have been merged, and I believe this is an intentional manipulation.

I'm sure I have no idea what I am talking about because I've only read surface level crap about it but...

B.F. Skinner showed people get strong reinforcement of their beliefs through random stimulus.

IMO this is essentially what Q is.

It's taking a population already predisposed to believe a set of ideas, regardless of their truth, and reinforcing them at random resulting in a very strong set of beliefs almost impervious to correction.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

I'm seeing the :thunk: emoji.

If you squint you can see a minion. Kevan!

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
There is a possibility that with a less friendly AG that prosecution of Flynn for the Rafikian stuff goes forward. Flynn is if anything more culpable than Rafikian as he was the senior partner in the company.

Flynn desperately needs Q and Trump to save him from ending his days in prison.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Argas posted:

Nah, they're not the world's savior.

They just post about the savior who'll totally do the savioring one day. Any day now, they'll move decisively and solve all the world's problem in one fell swoop. Oh, they can't do it right now, the enemy is too powerful, but soon.

Typical fascist wank about how they are righteous, legion and all powerful and their victory is inevitable except for when they are oppressed and downtrodden and they are a lone voice struggling against the void.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

Mom, listen. Wayfair has just what I need.

Get some money together and order something. Record all the details of ordering and use that to advertise an unboxing video on all the conspiracy sites. Make sure you sell T-Shirts and Hats leading up to the event. You may want to imply that you 'know people'. When the item is scheduled to arrive start a live stream and broadcast the whole thing, make sure it's super monetized in every way you can.

Move after it's over because you will be doxxed from the video and they will be accusing you of being part of the conspiracy when your box just has furniture in it.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
One of the main Q tenets is that either Trump has already rounded up thousands of high profile liberals, tried them in front of some ambiguous tribunals and killed them or is about to any minute now.

That someone in a position to understand the reality the batshit insanity of that is promoting it on national television is some end times level poo poo.

That the other major tenet is that every Trump tweet contains coded messages that can only be deciphered by the illuminated disciples stitching oblique references together doesn't help.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

RagnarokAngel posted:

Eh, I'd say "Believes in something long enough to get votes" vs "dyed in the wool believer" are two very different things.

Even if the people in charge don't believe, they must act as though they do believe or be cast down. If it looks like a believer and it acts like a believer then what's the difference?

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Phoix posted:

Deep state did it but I've legitimately never seen one of them talk about how Trump failed or anything critical about letting it happen. It's just the deep state did it stop asking questions.


The all powerful all knowing, mighty Q (a.ka. Donald J. Trump), just waiting for the trap to be sprung! While also being so politically impotent that his policies regularly get shut down and he's been reduced to 'acting' appointments throughout his administration and the things he says are important to him don't happen or happen poorly.

Qanon's looking at the actual history of what the prophets have said he is doing vs what has actually happened would be good but I wouldn't hold my breath.

"Your peasant brain can't think 18 layers deep so just accept what we tell you and hold the faith" has worked for thousands of years, I wouldn't expect that to change today.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
https://twitter.com/travis_view/status/1285714220777177094/photo/1

There's two (or three or even four) competing lines of thought on Epstein's suicide.

1. Clinton did it, Everyone knows that the Clinton's kill people and there are photos of Bill and Hillary with Epstein and Bill rode on Epstein's plane when he had donated it to a fund raiser
2. Trump did it, There is a long history of Trump and Epstein together, including court cases implicating them in the rape of a child, also Trump is in power now
(3. They both are the two sides of the same coin, lol if you don't think it's all one big conspiracy)
(4. They both are the two sides of the same coin, put them all in prison)

What we have just seen recently though is that when Bill Barr wants some morally ambiguous thugs who are willing to break rules and smash the heads of protesters, no questions asked, he pulls them from the Bureau of Prisons.

The same people who were tasked with maintaining a vigil over Epstein.

Just saying.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Conservatives accusing Twitter of violating their free speech in 3, 2, 1... Despite the 1st amendment not applying and also that hate speech and speech to coordinate criminal behavior are not protected classes of speech.

While they conveniently look away from, or cheer on, what an actual free speech violations looks like in Portland and across the rest of the US.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

The GOP says qanon is a bs movement Astro turfed by the left wing media.

Which is an amazing full circle of hilariousness

Yeah, my brother and I were having a argument (he's been deep into Q for years) and I was pointing out how none of the Q stuff ever actually comes true, you just have to believe it and he said something like, 'Some people think Q is actually a front by the left to distract the people from what's really going on'

So, the conspiracy is getting fractal. Which maybe a sign that it's ready to fragment?

edit: Kind of like the old saw about, "When your shoe shine boy is giving you stock tips it may be time to get out of the stock market' Q has been getting more prominent mentions lately.

Murgos fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jul 22, 2020

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

VitalSigns posted:


conservative voters: "Some guy who looks nothing like JFK Jr is JFK Jr who faked his death to join an elite undercover anti-pedophile spy unit along with the star of NBC's The Apprentice in order to arrest Democrats and the cast of Friends, and now John Jr spends his time visibly going to conventions and not hiding at all, sounds legit!"

Wnat's this stuff about John Jr?

Is there really someone going around claiming to be him?

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

GABA ghoul posted:

What's really going on? Is it reptiloids? Molemen?

Uh, 'Chinese Communist takeover that will end with 10's of millions of [white] Americans dead in concentration camps or through engineered starvation and our children trafficked into slavery' seems to be the gist of it from what I can tell.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
Should probably start pushing the theory that Hillary Clinton is actually behind Q and the whole thing has been a false flag op to confuse the faithful and lull them into inaction thinking something is going to happen, 'any minute now'.

edit: And or George Soros.

Also, my bet is that Palmer Lucky was involved in Q somewhere.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

turnip kid posted:

Does anyone know the provenance of this COPYPASTA that's written by a person who claims to be one of many Qs? Lots of SA Mentions within:

https://pastebin.com/BsyeQe5M

Without reading the link.

4 Chan was born from people who were banned from SA/found SA too restrictive. Mostly having to do with things that are reprehensible, openly posted child porn was prevalent on 4 chan for a very long time along with abudant racism and bigotry.

8 Chan was born from people who thought 4 Chan to restrictive.

So, yeah, horrible people all around.

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Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Blurred posted:

I think Q will continue, but re-branded as a subversive force within the Biden administration, exposing scandals and keeping everyone to account. In some ways, this will be probably more effective, because it's easier to push the narrative of "fighting tirelessly against evil" from a position of opposition than it is when your guy is in power and yet nothing substantial seems to be happening.

The Q contingent will do the same nonsense they have all along.

They will make up some absurd claim and then tie it to events with spray confetti stings to try and make any rational effort seem irrational.

Expect a huge ramp up of accusations of child murdering to be happening in the White House while death squads roam the country killing [white people] indiscriminately and that there are vast death camps where millions are having their adrenal glands harvested because there was an extra comma in a New York Times op ed and a picture of a mouse in the Washington Post on the same day on pages that were a prime number apart.

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