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As if you even need an elaborate deep state conspiracy to run a country based on noncing, we've been managing it in the UK with a few bits of string and and an old encyclopedia.Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:One of my favourite styles of Q posts is the "super sekrit activation code" where he uses whatever the chan board of the moment is to send the GO CODE to some operatives somewhere. Here's the GO CODE OORAH for when they absolutely definitely arrested Obama in the Philippines. See the funny bit is that this isn't even weird, at least, not the idea of secret intelligence agencies posting poo poo on 4chan to signal operatives. That's just a numbers station for the modern age. Though I think perhaps they wouldn't look like random bits of javascript. Generally you would use a one time pad so the message should be entirely unintelligible without the key, and not be a series of vague allusions numerology style. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Mar 26, 2018 |
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Relevant Tangent posted:Hitler didn't gently caress Was he conserving his sex power?
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That isn't a Russian thing though, the US's political landscape includes plenty of people who want to dismantle people's belief in the ability of the government to do anything.
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They might just also be someone with too much time on their hands and a following of crazy internet nerds.
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It could as easily be a product of monkeys on typewriters, lots of people on the internet try to make memes and go viral, that one eventually succeeds doesn't suggest a cunning plan as much as an inevitability of sufficient attempts.
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But right wing hysteria and conspiracy nuttery is self perpetuating though. The major change over the last decade or so is it migrating from the fringe radio to the main narrative, but that's a fairly logical progression if you consistently campaign on lies and religious fundamentalism though. There has been a consistent effort to detach the voting public from reality by a significant section of the right, but once that is achieved, not every effective push on the conspiracy front needs to originate from them or be consciously directed by some central authority. What has been created is a bunch of detached people prone to believing in the bizarre and fanciful and hopped up on right wing talking points, that they then regurgitate and create their own stories on those themes which serve as the talking point du jour doesn't indicate a conscious direction, it's right wing fanfiction, formed out of a morass of satanic panic and store brand religious imagery and age old racism and nationalism with a side of too many videogames and tom clancy novels, and the fact that all it achieves is chaos suggests that it isn't under anybody's control.
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The issue is that a country's dysfunctional political system self destructing because of the shortsightedness of its own political actors works as an explanation without involving Russia. Russia has a different political system so it isn't affected in the same way. What you have is the republicans losing control of their own campaign methods at the same time as capitalism accelerates into crisis across the globe and the prevailing political consensus loses support as a result. All of those things interconnect and may be mutual causes of each other, and all of them create an ideological vacuum which needs occupying as people search for new ways to understand the world and explain why it's the way it is, a sense of resentment against the powerful both in government and out of, and a loss of the ability of the establishment voices to actually control the narrative as people lose faith in them as trusted sources of information. That leads pretty easily into conspiratorial kookery and far right ideological bents. The end result of posting vaguely right wing conspiracy flavoured extracts from github on the chans is just that everyone starts becoming more conspiratorial, I don't think they're meaningfully directing anyone, it's just that the places they're posted are right wing shitholes and the thinking that goes on there is a gestalt of the general right wing infosphere, so obviously when people start posting their AMAZING DECODINGS of what these posts mean, they do it within that reference, that reference that has been created by elements way bigger than Russia, global changes that were the result of vast forces acting over decades that arguably nobody really controls. But Russia didn't create the political atmosphere we live in, it didn't fill the chans full of broke brained pseudonazis, and it didn't create the long and proud tradition of insane conspiracy theories and right wing paranoia that have been hallmarks of the US political scene for a very long time. It also didn't collapse the western political consensus or push its economy into crisis. All of that basically just happened. If it's under anyone's control it's quite a lot of people who probably aren't really cooperating with each other. It's not the person throwing the matches that's responsible for the fire, as you say, when the fuel's been stacked up for decades. Though I would argue this is more like someone throwing petrol bombs into an ongoing forest fire. Sure technically it's contributing but really what's already there is pretty horrible to begin with. Even if you find out that Russia secretly employed the petrol bomber, getting rid of them isn't going to solve the problem. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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I would suggest that the distinction is somewhat immaterial when prophetic gibberish written by anyone would have the same effect.
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Rape Stink posted:I don't get how it's more believable that Q is a solitary nutter conning millions for absolutely no gain whatsoever, I mean, people do things for attention on the internet all the time. Also I don't think they're directly conning millions, they're making waves with a particular group who then tell their friends, this isn't one person enthralling millions of people it's someone getting a group of nutters riled up who then talk to their slightly less nuts friends about their weird conspiracy theories.
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What might not work on the general population with its bias towards the consensus view of reality that most of us are probably at least passingly familiar with, may be significantly more likely to work on a place as detached from reality and full of Extremely Online people as the chans.
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Prester Jane posted:Fakeposted saga's are a different beast from a Nostradamus Hustle though. There isn't a bunch of elaborate decoding of gibberish involved in a regular fakeposting saga. But the point of decoding gibberish is that what you see in it is a reflection of yourself, all the gibberish has to have is a sufficient aura of mystique to attract the initial interest and an audience of suitably inclined viewers, after that it becomes self sustaining, as with bibliomancy and numerology. It's like selling psychic bollocks to people who paid to attend a psychic reading event or glossolalia to a church, chans kind of self select the already somewhat detached from reality and right aligned politically. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Mar 29, 2018 |
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Cable Guy posted:Crossposting from the Space thread in A&T - SA&L because I'd like to know what you guys think... I think it's not "Russia" doing it as much as it's people who happen to be Russian looking to do it. They're using crowdfunding to buy space on a rocket. It says as much in the video that apparently neither of you watched.
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Uglycat posted:Scale of 1 to 10, how upset would you be to discover that this 'idiots all around' sowing discord in America are, in fact, operatives working on a sophisticated psyops attack funded by russian oligarchs and executed by state actors? Very because that's a massive waste of effort to produce something that occurs spontaneously quite regularly. It would be infuriating in the same way that spending a fortune to create an AI capable of producing art, which ends up only being able to produce jackson pollack pieces would be infuriating. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Apr 1, 2018 |
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Duplicant posted:Well, someone wrote a program that can identify fake Pollock paintings from real ones: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/now-computer-can-differentiate-between-real-jackson-pollocks-and-fakes-180954300/ Inventing a computer capable of appreciating them I suppose is mildly less infuriating in a weird way. And might actually justify the creation of a computer to make more of them.
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Also does it really matter whether Russia is behind it or not? The problem remains that clearly there is an abundance of right wing lunatics out there ready to believe anything and that's not an invention of Russia.
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Bip Roberts posted:Presuming Q is not real there are good aspects (with the bad ones) of leading the lunatic right astray. I mean I don't know if further radicalizing them and making them really supporting of the republican right is necessarily "leading them astray"
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The ENEMY is POVERTY. The WALL keeps out the ENEMY. We build the WALL to keep us FREE. That's why we build the WALL. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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Toplowtech posted:There is video for each American politicians and each one of them is committing depraved sexual acts, that's how you become politician in America apparently. I mean that's literally how it works in the UK afaik.
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I want to put my donald in your sealed indictment baby and drain your swamp so good.
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#satanicpaedophilesyndicate Presumably a successor organization to the paedophile information exchange.
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What's it supposed to be?
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Lote posted:Oxidized adrenaline. It’s apparently not even regulated by the FDA but has been around forever I mean what's the relevance? Like why do you need to drink adrenaline blood? Does it make you go super saiyan?
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wilderthanmild posted:There were a bunch of old myths about adrenochrome being a super powerful psychedelic drug orders of magnitude stronger than LSD. Part of this originating from a theory that it was the cause of schizophrenia. For example there's a big scene about it in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. In reality it's not a psychoactive drug at all. Prester Jane posted:Back when radki was still a thing a lot of radio adherents claimed to practiced what they called "lentation"- the deliberate triggering of an adrenaline dump (by getting yourself extremely angry by focusing on past traumas) to enhance your DBZ powers. Huh. I mean, I know personally that that kind of works but I don't think it's really going to give you superpowers or that it's conducive to a healthy life. Mostly it just makes you angry and awake. I feel like just buying a bunch of epi pens and jamming them into your face would probably work better tbh.
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Why is an astronomical extinction event something the president of the US needs to do something about?
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I'm not sure a rogue planet is really very choosy about what portions of the human race it wipes out. Unless they all get on elon musk's spaceship and launch themselves to mars.
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Pretty sure strike package is what they call the airstrike in COD4 so they're a bit behind the times.
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Perhaps instead they need to be hung by the ankle until annoyed.
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I can't not read your posts in alex jones' voice.
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Took me a moment wondering what ironic transhumanism looked like before I correctly parsed that sentence.
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Cutting off your own arm and then tying a mannequin arm with a load of wires glued to it to the stump.
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Huh I was thinking that the nibiru thing was just the old nemesis star idea but apparently it's a whole new level of crazy.
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MANime in the sheets posted:I think part of it is also not liking the idea that money is just an ephemeral thing that isn't really WORTH anything Unlike gold.
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TBH that looks like fairly bog standard American Protestant weirdness to me.
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So what relevant experience can you offer MI5? Well when I worked for the CIA I broke into some guys house and stacked all his shoes up. I see, well congratulations on your new 00 agent status clearly you're the right man for the job.
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There's a secret computer going to destroy the world unless we find a plucky young hacker to fix it?
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:That's the thing that drives me crazy about this: what's the actual *goal* of Q? The majority of people who aren't ready for the truth, obviously.
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Oh no, the [clown army] is going to come after them. Qtips vs juggalos.
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Jagged Jim posted:The Freep thread is on a Birther derail and I think it's reached critical mass of insanity. Oh it's a red pill, I was wondering why they identify as a bologna sausage for a moment there. Deathy McDeath posted:-Obama canceled the space shuttle program and Hillary sold all of her space intel and SAP info (note: there would be absolutely no reason for the SoS to be read into an IMINT SAP or STO) in return for Clinton Foundation donations. Why? To weaken the US for a future invasion. Invasion from... Space?
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:It may be a little bit of a stretch, but "Iraq/Iran/Russia/China is going to detonate an EMP bomb in orbit over America and invade while all of our electronics are useless" has been a go-to fearmongering talking point in conspiracy circles for a long while now. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that The Storm has folded in that idea as well. Isn't that achieved by detonating a nuclear weapon at high altitude though? So, erm, the US ballistic missile warning system would see it coming a mile off and they would launch all their own nukes pre-emptively and end the world? I also suspect that the US's nuclear strike and strategic monitoring/communications capability is probably EMP hardened given, y'know, its expected use case.
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I mean it sort of makes sense in MW2 because the US is literally being invaded by russians who turned off their nuclear missiles (or something?) and thus you have to steal a russian missile to do it, thereby explaining why it doesn't end the world. Many things about call of duty do not make sense but the internal logic of the US having no nuclear capability at the time therefore launching a nuclear missile at the US does not destroy the planet, is not one of them.
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Actually I think you'll find that in Modern Warfare 2 it was Captain Price that did that to disable the Russian invasion. And blow up the ISS.