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Rape Stink posted:But like, every intelligence agency in the world agrees that Russia has been engaging in sophisticated misinformation psyops all over the world for at least the last decade through social media... It's not crazy paranoia to think that Qanon could just be an extension of that. I mean it's fine if you think that it's more likely to be a basement chud seeking anonymous internet kudos or whatever, but being completely closed off to the idea that it could be part of the larger Russian misinformation campaign that we know for a fact is a thing is pretty odd. I'm certainly open to both possibilities, but it just seems like it being Russia is more likely, IMO, since it fits their M.O. pretty nicely. We do it too. Centcom was doing it during the Arab spring. We were probably doing it first. This is a thing that is happening that nations do now.
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This week's invisibilia is on patten finding and has some relevant concepts. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Y6ztmuMRVYW6oDt
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Uglycat posted:This whole thing is a deliberate meatware hack. The rest of us should be modeling examples for the people around us. Not Q related but the reason a person like Peterson can attract lost young men is by offering them a model, a set of norms, with an attached set of promises, a pattern. The community around the pattern re-enforces the pattern. Brain turns the pattern into a short cut, habituates it, something like what Prester's calls a "bypass", and once it's in getting it out it is much, much, harder or impossible. But one can change the interpretation of things habituated. And that can be modelled too.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:58
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Relevant Tangent posted:Enormous antlers get bucks laid, nobody is getting dicked off QAnon. I assure you the tail end of the intelligence distribution gets its gently caress on. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Apr 9, 2018 03:38
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:1) "Thoughts create reality." This is literally magic, along the lines of The Secret, where if enough people think about a thing then that thing will be attracted to happen because of reverse magnetism. This is why there's so much dystopian YA fiction - if it's popular enough it will, by the Law of Attraction, bring about a totalitarian government where everybody is enslaved. Idealism can make one nuts.
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Apr 14, 2018 18:05
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Crossposting
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Apr 25, 2018 01:37
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twistedmentat posted:Yea, the whole Fall stuff is from Apocrypha that was reinserted into doctrine to explain why bad things happen with an all powerful and all loving god. Then Milton and Dante picks it up and that becomes the template that pop culture images of Satan and the devil. If one goes back to early Christianity the demonic and the angelic is much more along the lines of ideas that have reality, in the sense of Neo-platonism. Origen's cosmology is a good example to look at.
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May 3, 2018 00:17
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Part of me wonders if it's a reference to the "Q" source.
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May 25, 2018 04:45
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Goon Danton posted:Then who's our Mark in this scenario? No idea because I'd assume they don't b really know the whole of what they are referencing. Let me explain, I know some of this religion stuff is inside the thought of the alt right. For example, Peterson fancies himself a Tillichean. Some of his language reflects this, the way he uses "points" regarding myth and the truth for example. But they're also idiots. Peterson seems unaware that Tillich extensively used Marxist categories and wrote a book that the TLDR of is : What type of socialist should we be as Christians (Also seriously gently caress those Nazis). In other words, I could see a chud referencing it without really getting what they referenced. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 20:14 on May 25, 2018 |
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May 25, 2018 19:41
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A good way to look at the NT is a collection of apocalypses written by the oppressed. The various books really show the spectrum of human reactions to Rome loving people up . In that context, there are things to be learned from the book of Revelations. Edit :to clarify the gospels are written after the destruction of the temple and the Jewish war. The letters and acts deal with poo poo that Paul sets in motions that ends up with his death and Greek thinking side of Christianity rising as the Jewish side gets its rear end kicked. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 00:27 on May 28, 2018 |
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May 28, 2018 00:24
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Nonsense posted:This is absolutely the correct timeline we are all in.
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May 28, 2018 17:04
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This gives them community they otherwise dont have. People need community in the same way they need food. Plus finding patterns is fun and tickles reward centers, even if they are fake.
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Aug 6, 2018 16:23
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OwlFancier posted:I mean religion generally has been dying for decades, turns out that's also something capitalism is good at Capitalism breaks myths of origin, detaching us from where we are from and ourselves. This is sometime a good thing (when those myths are harmful) and often a bad thing (when it opens the door for revolutionary romanticism eg. fascism) by alienating us.
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Aug 2, 2020 02:35
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Does qanon disappear when Trump leaves office and no ones been executed Nah it’ll just look different. Did the John Birch Society ever disappear?
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Aug 2, 2020 02:38
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johnny dappertweed posted:Well put. QAnon is like candy. Eating chocolate bars with your friends. All of the truth and elegance and spiritual nutrition found in a cultural religion has been processed away. It has what feels like enlightenment and meaning but it's pure sugar. It's cheap, irresponsible, and thrilling. It’s a romanticism. An attempt to make or participate in a new story where the previously believed one was broken. Unconnected to any real origin it is thus fundamentally incoherent, and that is an essential characteristic and thus lends itself to revolutionary political romanticism, e.g. fascism.
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Aug 3, 2020 06:26
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OwlFancier posted:I mean it's consistent with literally any effective political movement, because that's how you motivate people to challenge the status quo, people need to feel like that to risk themselves by being politically active and particularly by being politically radical. Effective political movements can also be built on unbroken origin myths rather than romantic ones attempting to replace ones broken by capitalism. Here’s a visual way to think about the difference in broken and unbroken. The images of Jon McNaughton (romantic reconstruction of broken myth) compared to Norman Rockwell (unbroken myth still being participated in) The form is the same, the content isn’t. One is empty, the other has a human content.
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Aug 3, 2020 23:40
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure I understand the distinction given that mcnaughton is a human and probably believes what he paints, and so do the people who sincerely like his art in an unironic way. Well there are two ways that think are valid to look at it here. Both of the artists are constructing an image. The stories we tell ourselves about where we come from are constructed similarly. Here we can go two ways: 1. There isn’t ultimately a difference. These are constructed myths that are ideological tools that can be used to influence us or that we can use to influence others. 2. There is a difference. We can see at least by degree, where some of these constructed myths contain the more or less of the truth, the real, or the human. Enter capitalism, liberalism, which breaks these myth constructions, using either the prophetic (stolen from religion) or the rational. In which one of those situations do we have a chance? I’d like to make something clear here, I obviously have a personal preference for 2. But the real answer is that it doesn’t matter. 1 and 2 aren’t really different situations.
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Aug 4, 2020 05:06
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OwlFancier posted:, and also for some of them to be more accurate and useful than others. More or less useful and or accurate is firmly within 1. OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure that the explanatory parts of 1 and 2 actually are at odds? I’m trying to frame it so that is the case, that they are not actually at odds.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:It's something I've noticed you see a lot with the internet and right wing subcultures, but basically atheists and secularists keep reinventing apocalyptic Christianity just with less overt religious elements. The Apes and QAnon are just messianic doomsday cults, just as the Singularity was before it. Apocalyptic thought is incredibly flexible. Here’s how it works: 1. poo poo is hosed. 2. hosed poo poo will end (always eventually true) It’s not right wing especially. There’s an awful lot of left wing apocalyptic thought these days. They know something is wrong in their lives. All the different specific stories, all those constructed fictions… doesn’t change that that something is wrong for them. So it doesn’t matter that each story never happens, or that the date keeps changing. They still know poo poo is hosed for them. They’re still at 1) They’ll keep going round until they decide poo poo isn’t hosed. Or they push “eventually” from a specific time and place to the end of time and also immanence. (But that’s also deciding poo poo is not hosed.)
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