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ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


LostCosmonaut posted:

Haha this is gonna be good. Fascist+conservative coalition is up 53-47.

Sounds too stable, we're definitely gonna get the minority-ran grand coalition (cons+lib) with 43.9%

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Mirdini
Jan 14, 2012

Coalitions ahoy, in any case.

MatchaZed
Feb 14, 2010

We Can Do It!


I'm excited for the Japanese civil war where troops are sent over from various sides a la Spain.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


JCW with all the nearest countries being half-hearted satellites, countries collapsing even harder, or colonies of other unstable nations should be pretty great.

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT
VOTING CLOSED

MatchaZed
Feb 14, 2010

We Can Do It!


50.8% vs. 49.2% assuming the liberals side with the socialists.

This is an absurdly close vote.

Mirdini
Jan 14, 2012

Civil war ahoy

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice

WilliamAnderson posted:

50.8% vs. 49.2% assuming the liberals side with the socialists.

This is an absurdly close vote.

Nah, it should remain 29.7% Fascist, 28.9% Socialist with the 41.4% remaining becoming moderates that wonder why both sides can't compromise.

You know, like reality. :v:

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

The proud Japanese Socialist Worker's Party of Workers would rather die than let the insidious social fascists work with them.

After Tojo, then us!

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Man, if you're running fascist, please treat your overseas colonies with some respect :smith:

Vanilla Mint Ice
Jul 17, 2007

A raccoon is not finished when he is defeated. He is finished when he quits.
I feel like after a hundred years of war, the military should basically take control of the government with the emperor remaining as a puppet figurehead. Maybe in hoi4 terms, Japan should be 'Non-Aligned'? Rather than an ideological conflict, Japan should probably be embroiled in a military conflict between IJN and IJA on who has the real power.

Grizzwold
Jan 27, 2012

Posters off the pork bow!
Isn’t that pretty close to what historically happened though?

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Grizzwold posted:

Isn’t that pretty close to what historically happened though?

Japan is a lot more industrialised this time around. I'm sure the IJN won't lose its main force then deny it for year while IJA landings start going unsupported because they can't get along with the IJN.
And Admirals won't have to stay with their ships to avoid assassins.

That'd be absurd!

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


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The conservatives have made a half hearted pact with the fascists, while the liberals have fully thrown in their lot with the socialists. What will this mean for 1936?

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Japan splits along North and South. These are the adventures of the South Japanese Liberation Front

scavy131
Dec 21, 2017
Socialist/Liberal coalition based around Hokkaido, the Kanto Plain, and any other industrial areas mostly on Honshu which has a slim governmental majority to pass basic legislation against the Conservative/Fascist opposition parties based in the South islands and the rural/mountainous areas. Conservatives are actually a looser collection of Royalists and Rural interests that are not Fascist. Overall jingoism of population still makes the Social-Liberal governing coalition likely to go to war when needed as it's really never gone too badly for us.

scavy131 fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Apr 11, 2018

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



It means nothing in the long term, as despite society having split into four ideologies, all that ultimately means is that each ideology has a different idea of how to deal with foreign enemies and each blames the other three for the faults in society. The peoples jingoism and love of the emperor continues to unify them against the foreign enemies that have continued to try to stop the grand unification of Asia.

But seriously, wasn't Japan at an extremely high level of jingoism at the end there? And wasn't it perpetually high through the campaign?

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT

Randalor posted:

It means nothing in the long term, as despite society having split into four ideologies, all that ultimately means is that each ideology has a different idea of how to deal with foreign enemies and each blames the other three for the faults in society. The peoples jingoism and love of the emperor continues to unify them against the foreign enemies that have continued to try to stop the grand unification of Asia.

But seriously, wasn't Japan at an extremely high level of jingoism at the end there? And wasn't it perpetually high through the campaign?

It hit 25% at one point, but cratered for a bit after the Great War

Lustful Man Hugs
Jul 18, 2010

Top Hats Monthly posted:

The conservatives have made a half hearted pact with the fascists, while the liberals have fully thrown in their lot with the socialists. What will this mean for 1936?

A focus tree with a split path, I assume.

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT
While I work to figure out exactly how to crack HOI IV open and mod it, I will be doing a :siren:TOAW IV:siren: interlude following these scenarios

Soviet-Siberian Clash
Skirmish over Osaka
Persian Incursion
Ottoman Rebellion
South Africa-Zulu confrontation

If any of these interest you, please say so! Making scenarios won’t take me nearly as long as modding and will allow me to flesh out 1920-1936

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
All interest me



But if a choice must be made, Persian Incursion / Ottoman Rebellion

scavy131
Dec 21, 2017
I don't immediately recognize the acronym for TOAW IV, but I like all of those last three scenarios.

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009




Persian Incursion

Simply because it rhymes.

LostCosmonaut
Feb 15, 2014

South Africa vs. Zulu, nothing much usually happens in Africa most games.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Soviet-Siberian Clash
Persian Incursion
South Africa-Zulu confrontation

unwantedplatypus
Sep 6, 2012
South African - Zulu Confrontation

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
South African - Zulu Confrontation but Skirmish over Osaka sounds cool too.

OpenlyEvilJello
Dec 28, 2009

scavy131 posted:

I don't immediately recognize the acronym for TOAW IV, but I like all of those last three scenarios.

The Operational Art of War IV

Ikasuhito
Sep 29, 2013

Haram as Fuck.

Persian Incursion

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Russia fights Russia in the Soviet-Siberian Clash!

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT
First priority goes to South Africa v Zulu and Persian Incursion

The first scenario involves South Africa attempting to seize mining assets from Zulu. South Africa must try to complete their objectives, if they press too hard a great power intervenes, which could lead to a Japanese intervention. If Zulu pushes too hard, Oranje will join South Africa

Persian Incursion is basically Iraq v Iran but in the twenties

Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT
In early 1934, a border incursion between South Africa and Zulu risks turning into a far wider war



We are in control of the South African Army. Zulu wins if they either lose zero territory, or if they lose Fort Shaka and uMgungundlovu but manage to seize the diamond mines. The goal of South Africa is to capture the coal mines in the north. However, the diplomatic crisis spun out of control and most units are out of position. Only a division in the divided city of Maseru is able to capture the mines at the moment. Zulu guerilla activity makes forward deployment difficult, and although the strongest units in the South African army are prepared in the south, Zulu resistance will not go easily. If Zulu manages to push hard enough to capture the diamond mines, Oranje might intervene. Continued Zulu success in capturing Bloemfontein will result in Scandinavia joining the war. If the South African army collapses Japan will join the war. If East London cannot be recaptured within two turns the scenario ends and the campaign widens. South Africa capturing eThekwini will result in Germany joining the war. If both Germany and Scandinavia/Japan are involved in the war the scenario ends and the proxy war will grow.


We will have a crisis mechanic. Here is how it will work.

We have three options of how we want to conduct the war. I have a hidden variable that will expand the war further based on completion of the objectives and casualty totals. High casualties will exhaust the will of South Africa, which can lead to revolt among the Boer part of the army.

A. Operation Kruger

Operation Kruger will involve pushing the Zulu army in the south back far enough to force them to commit to the defense of eThekwini. Slowly, forces will be transferred north and the coal mines will be captured. We will then hold for as long as possible. This will only result in a minor victory if successful.

B. Operation Breadbasket

Breadbasket encompasses capturing most of the Zulu territory, and then surrounding eThekwini by sea and land, without capturing the city.

C. Operation Iron

Iron involves a complete capture of Zulu territory, which if held will result in a massive victory, Germans be dammed.

Top Hats Monthly fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Apr 15, 2018

Lustful Man Hugs
Jul 18, 2010

Let's ultimately go for plan B.

Lynneth
Sep 13, 2011
Breadbasket is the most likely to work out, I believe.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
C

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


C

What do we have to fear of the Germans? Properly prepared, each of our bold troops is worth 10 German!

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
A in a minor power proxy war, identify success and don't overreach

scavy131
Dec 21, 2017
A, We only want the Coal Mines, we only need the Coal Mines. Let us not waste the lives of our South African brothers when we have no need.

Dance Officer
May 4, 2017

It would be awesome if we could dance!
A

KYOON GRIFFEY JR has it right. Grab what you want and keep it, don't cause world war 3.

EDIT: realistically we might need to pull up to eThekwini and umGungundlovu and start shooting into them to get the Zulu gov't to the negotiations table, but I say we should cross that bridge when we get to it.

Dance Officer fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Apr 15, 2018

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Top Hats Monthly
Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT
Pick a lucky unit, and a name and you will be the General of that unit.



South African Infantry divisions (Of which there are four)

This makes up the bulk of the South African army in Zulu. One division is deployed on the outskirts of Maseru, one at Fort Voortrekker, another at Coffee Bay on the border, and one in East London.

E: Due to beefing up Zulu unit strength, the attack/defense values of the South African units has changed.



"Voortrekker" Special Forces, based out of Fort Voortrekker. This unit will be expected to plunge deep into Zulu territory and blow rail lines, etc. It has the unit symbol for a Division because if other units are destroyed this unit will become a defacto infantry division specializing in recon.



South African Armored divisions (Of which there are two)

These divisions are equipped with the Char 2C superheavy tank and the FT17 light tank. These units are tasked with smashing defensive Zulu lines, and will be best utilized in the south vs the fixed Zulu positions, rather than the northern hilly and mountainous regions near Bloemfontein.



This is a big god drat tank



The Royal South African Navy is equipped only with some light cruisers and destroyers. This however, is far more powerful than anything that Zulu will be fielding at the time.



The Royal South African Air Force is equipped with various biplanes, with light bombing duty being the main duty of the RSAAF. Zulu does not have an air force.



The Japanese Intervention Army is equipped with heavy weapons and tanks, but will only intervene if South Africa is losing or falling to rebellion.

Note! Zulu guerillas operate behind our lines, and communists are in our ranks. Communist guerillas may activate in the north. Despite your directive we may have to pull units back from the attack to prevent Fort Voortrekker or East London from being captured.

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