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Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004
It'll be hilarious when they spend this time and effort just to find it was liked from the minister's tax payer funded phone/tablet/PC.

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Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

hooman posted:

Krudd still salty. Definitely a good look and something that not at all justifies the decision to roll you.

Gentlemanly of him to interrupt his concession speech to comment on this.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

bandaid.friend posted:

The government gave up on knocking down and rebuilding the 2000 Olympic stadium

So the toffs are still going to get their new rugby stadium in Moore Park right?

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

Gridlocked posted:

If people are growing their own poo poo how the gently caress do I tax it though?

Also the medical Whatits group is not very happy about it

You tax the gently caress out of the initial seed purchase and any specialised or hydrophobic equipment? Wouldn't be as much revenue as selling through chemists but it would be better than the nothing they get now.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

Malcolm Turnbeug posted:

I keep hearing this as a reason decriminalisation and legalisation are mutually exclusive but we let people brew and drink their own beer and yet somehow alcohol taxes are still collected

This is a good point, you can brew you own beer but if you don't know how, are time poor or like a particular brew then you'll just purchased via retail.

The biggest win from legalisation and regulation is collecting tax revenue on the billions that right now just flood the black market. If you take away this revenue from the gangs suddenly they don't have as much power and influence in community which in the end is better for the community.

Given the hard on that all levels of government have had to blow up the Bikie gangs, you'd thing something like this that would take away a large chunk of their income would be a win win.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

asio posted:

Because most growers are stoners who got into the business to offset personal use costs. All this "black market bikie" poo poo is ... poo poo. Cannabis is too bulky to be worthwhile for the cartoon criminal syndicate the media invented and the greens believe exist. Actual bikies sell meth.

Cannabis is a poor peoples drug. The profit margin is minimal. The growers are mostly indie and the sellers are mostly (what's the class level below working?) poor. Taking those billions and turning it into tax revenue for "prevention" is not the class war masterstroke the greens think it is.

Decriminalise, regulate, home grow, all good. Government monopoly on one of the only industries that reliably keeps people off the streets bad.

I mean the best outcome would be running it like a co-op where the people who need to grow still can and earn a living and building a community similar to the "craft beer" industry?

I used bikes as an example only because the media and politicians have been banging on about then for so long it may be an easier to sell the policy to the electorate. Thinking back on it, the only times I have come across them have been trying to get some goey and maybe once or twice for weed.

The revenue on legalisation and regulation should have to cover some of the increased costs caused by a larger user population but mostly should be used to fund schools and hospitals the way it's been done in Colorado.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

asio posted:

two people engaged in criminal activity is "organised crime" doesn't mean old mate with a property next to the national forest and connections in town is rolling in billions of black market dollars

No but what if for example there are many old mates with connections across the country? Would they feasibly be able to generate a billion between them?

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

Malcolm Turnbeug posted:

Probably not if they’re competing with a regulated nationwide industry

I mean black market tobacco is allegedly worth $1.6 Billion per year, so yes?

Via SMH

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

Malcolm Turnbeug posted:

That figure includes all tobacco imported into the country illegally including packets of tailors smuggled in and resold so that’s a pretty disingenuous number in this context my dude

And yet tobacco companies still survive and make a gently caress tonne of money in spite of it

That's a fair point, however in the article is talks about seizures of locally grown tobacco with ~$20 Million street value so while it may not be a cool billion it's still quite a chunk of lost tax revenue. That figure is only what has been found as well so not taking into account what else could be out there.

Like I said in an earlier post, if there is such a large part of the pot supply chain that is reliant on growing to stay off the streets why not use the coop business model to ensure those people are not put out on the street.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

Laserface posted:

many of the carcinogens in weed are water soluble so a bong makes it somewhat safer.

Also greater availability of weed may mean that those who like to spin their weed with baccy to make it go further would no longer do so. That would be a happy side effect of legalisation.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

Laserface posted:

vaporizing is more efficient than smoking also. you can run the same weed through a vape at varying temps to get more out of it, or cook edibles/make oils with the vaped stuff also.

Yeah those Essential Oil Diffusers(for customs reasons) are pretty good.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

Gridlocked posted:

By all means keep independence in the industry but slap on a good tax and ensure there is enough public advisory regarding the negative effects similar to alcohol and tobacco. Have regulation of sale and supply, and public use again similar to alcohol.

I understand a number of people will be very opposed to this but :shrug: my two cents.

I think you are pretty spot on, make it so the point of sale is somewhere that currently are set up to deal with large amounts of pharmaceuticals securely, chemists. This would given them something new to sell that isn't lovely wooden toys/rascist dolls. If it's more of an open market allow "farmers markets" or co-ops to be set up with regulation so local growers can still make money off their crop or allow them to sell into chemists directly.

Given its new legislation make the minimum age 21 which would go some way to counter the developing brains should not be on drugs argument.

Allow use of weed in licenced premises(not likely as the AHA would pitch a fit if they lose revenue on alcohol to weed unfortunately) in smoking areas, this way you could have a joint at a gig in the smoking area. Don't allow it on the street similar to the way tobacco smoking is going giving a small fine that's more of a nuisance than crippling like $75 or so.

Use the public advisory board to develop a test for drug driving that is related to impairment rather than presence and take the money that's being flushed down the toilet each year on sniffer dogs, detective work and in the courts back into health and education.

Then use all of the above to work out harm minimisation techniques for more powerful drugs. Maybe smash some capitalism along the way?

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004
Was it laced with bath salts?

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

hooman posted:

But how will we bash kids with batons at music festivals!

What about drunken boomers at Vinyard based concerts?

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

Konomex posted:

We don't have smoking areas in WA, do other states actually still let smoker just smoke it up around all the normal people?

I think here in NSW the pubs have to nominate an area, it's either food or smoking but most of the time they stick a few potted plants in the middle of the outdoor area and make sure the smoking area is furthest from the door.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

Gridlocked posted:

Also don't stop the dogs because you can still nab people for dealing without the appropriate licence but now you have a whole industry on your side going "stop cutting into our profits". Home growers or small outlets can operate like wineries.

Yeah but the main issue with dogs currently are false positives, what would this be like when weed is legal and you are getting positives where people have weed on them legally?

Just like now no-one is riding the train through Sydney with pounds of weed on them, you may get someone with an ounce for personal use but your not going to catch Mr Big. How would you differentiate between someone with an ounce of store bought weed and someone with an ounce of black market weed? Check the receipts? That's making the cops store security with dogs.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

hiddenmovement posted:

If anyone missed Mad as Hell this week the John Howard phone call might have been the funniest skit he's done yet

Last week but yes it was a work of art.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

You Am I posted:

Was it as good as the The Games John Howard stolen generation apology?

It was all about his love for are Don.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004
Perfect for the Dutton-reich.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

You Am I posted:

We do, it's called the Federal Parliament House


gently caress non technical morons who think wireless/5G is a good substitute for proper fibre.

Ah, the economics editor wrote that piece. Says it all.

Why pay for expensive fibre to be installed when the connection is like all around us in the air man?

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

Whitlam posted:

I realise this is probably going to be an unpopular opinion as I'm typing it, but I feel like charging interest on cases like the one used in the example (over $800,000, including claims for children who didn't exist so very hard to argue they were just confused about how it all works) is fair enough. I mean yeah the gutting of Centrelink by the government is evil and hosed up, but that doesn't make welfare fraud okay, and Centrelink is hard enough to get without fuckers deliberately committing fraud and undermining the system. If it was a private individual who'd been scammed out of $800,000 I'd also support them getting money back with interest.

What about the electorate who got scammed out of those ineligible pollie salaries? Why does that get waived and this is ok?

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

JBP posted:

Where can I get a magically permasmoking bong like that?

If I was a religious man I'd say heaven.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004
Barnaby just wants to take down this drat anti nepotism brigade. Why shouldn't he be able to gift a cushy highly paid job to an unqualified mistress? Makes you think.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004
Speaking of unscrupulous decision making:

Perhaps FTTN was not the correct technology for the NBN.

The comments are pretty good, much like the RC into the banks a whole lot of people calling for Turnbull & Abbott to be Mussolini'd.

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

CrazyTolradi posted:



Matthew Guy puts Tones' flag game to shame.

EDIT: That's 16 flags behind Guy.

Mafia running the flag game down there in Victoria eh?

Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004

Anidav posted:

Yeah Facebooks algorithm for putting news articles on your feed is poo poo. It takes a topic you've been reading recently and plasters articles about it all over your feed regardless of the age of said articles.

It also doesn't show the date of publication until you click on them which I think is sneaky clickbaiting.

Yeah Facebook loves sticking 3 week old NBA articles in my feed. Even when I switch to the most recent feed. Fantastic stuff.

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Dimebag
Jul 12, 2004
Looks like Pell is going to have to dip into those Vatican coffers for his defence.

Does the ACL protect parishioners so they can recover donations to the collection plate of the local diocese for any funds used to fight these charges?

Dimebag fucked around with this message at 01:40 on May 1, 2018

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