- Mandoric
- Mar 15, 2003
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its one of the things thats mildly amusing about everyone freaking out about how identity politics are poison
the cultural hegemon never thinks it has a culture. things like society-wide alcoholism, rioting over football matches, a sense of humor with no settings between tits/farting and dry linguistic wordplay, uncritical veneration of the Royal Family, and a pathological love/hate relationship with France aren't part of an -identity-. they're just things normal people do
everyone else has an identity. luckily, unlike them i'm normal. why can't politics focus on normal people. like me. and the people like me.
see: south park, collected works of
This is disingenuous bullshit, sundown neighborhoods and "know your place, boy" have been good old-fashioned whitey idpol for most of the US's existence
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- Mandoric
- Mar 15, 2003
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the idea of cultural appropriation makes we wonder if any of its proponents have ever been involved in a subculture
the whole experience of being in a subculture is listening to everyone bitch about who is the most pure, how institutional powers seek to oppress and co-opt their subculture, and complain that any mildly successful variant of their genre is a sellout or created by the labels to sell better.
swapping class for race, punk was appropriated too.
but once again, no one cares because the modern concept of cultural appropriation is inherently tied to race, despite the fact that cultural appropriation exists in all facets of cultural exchange. its the pairing with race that gives it the outrage factor and demands that it be taken seriously. but it also damages the idea because by making cultural appropriation exclusively tied to race it fails to be able to give simpler, more obvious answers like "black musicians got screwed because the country was racist and that's how capitalism works," instead opting for some weird sanctification of minority culture and demanding it be protected by segregation.
its all very strange
a funny example is all the people (or maybe just one guy a couple times) who said white people can't open a sushi restaurant. like, lol, come on buddy, people can make whatever loving food they want. lol at the thought that they should put on their menu "OWNER IS NOT JAPANESE". if you prepare japanese food good enough to open a restaurant then loving great.
people in this thread posted things like "the california role is not really japanese or sushi" which is so loving stupid. do you get upset too at modern american's complete transformation of germany's "hamburgers" or "frankfurters?"
after the chinese dress thing there was allegedly a massive outpouring of support from china with people saying things like (not a quote) "we think its great that people in america celebrate our culture!" but then it was argued that "the actual chinese peoples' opinions don't matter because its really more about the immigrants who experienced racism first hand here, and that their experience of ostracization over rules the actual people from china." all of this compounded even more by the fact that the chinese themselves are jumping whole hog onto western culture and absolutely no one gives a flying gently caress about that.
i think it all stems from american exceptionalism. the truth is american culture is sort of closed off, despite ironically being a meltingpot. we're quick to judge and hyper reactionary. we really believe that what we have is already the best. so there is no sharing, only stealing, dominating, appropriating. from what i understand places like great britain had a very different approach to other cultures. they were more than happy to say "dag that indian food is way better than ours. lets just co-opt all their cooking and for generations to come people will think chicken tikka masala is indian!" the originators still get shut out from any economic benefits because that's capitalism. like, maybe if american's were more open to at least paying lip service to the cultures we were stealing from it wouldn't be as much of a deal, or rather, the power dynamics of economics would be more thoroughly apparent
I think there's room to resist lowest-common-denominator domesticization, especially in America where the guiding national ethos is so alien to most of the rest of the world. But the sushi thing in particular is a hilarious example because the industry's absolutely packed with Koreans, Chinese, and never-even-visited-the-old-country sansei and yonsei making their money off looking the part. And there's nothing wrong with them making sushi, the fault is with the culture that's using it as a shibboleth for cosmopolitanism but doesn't have a conception of craftsmanship to know "learned from Jiro Ono" from "learned from Jerry, late-night line cook at Benihana" and so settles on "not visibly pink" as a proxy.
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- Mandoric
- Mar 15, 2003
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isn't the opposite of that fundamentalism driven by a rejection of the various syncretisms and custom-friendly rulings that make up religions?
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