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guns don't create criminals lol fix our shithouse economy/country and suddenly the 80-90% of gun homicides that are the direct result of conditions caused by the war on drugs will vanish That doesn't interest the Democrats, though, they'd rather spin this dumb wheel forevermore knowing nothing will happen but they get support from their base for it.
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we can trace so much poo poo back to fox news having the legal right to lie
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gary oldmans diary posted:we can trace so much poo poo back to fox news having the legal right to lie
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May 18, 2018 19:14
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BigBadSteve posted:Most murders are domestic violence, and probably not a lot can be done to prevent a lot of them. However, banning weapons that shoot a whole lot of bullets fast will decrease deaths in berzerker killings, because killing a lot of people with an easily obtainable weapon becomes harder. Quibbling about definitions does not change this. Actually banning these weapons would reduce the overall count by about 10%. For example. Since the Florida school shooting, almost 500 people have been shot and killed in Chicago. Yes, 500. Of those 500? About 50% via revolvers, about 28% to semi-auto handguns, and about 10% to shotguns. The rest is a split between rifles and unknown.
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May 18, 2018 19:14
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Moridin920 posted:guns don't create criminals lol Exactly.
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gary oldmans diary posted:we can trace so much poo poo back to fox news having the legal right to lie This too, but really it isn't just Fox News it is the entire media apparatus that is owned by billionaires shoveling propaganda at us nonstop. Fox is just one of the most obvious. Like, consider the entire advertising industry and how much psychological damage it does.
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May 18, 2018 19:15
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EvilMerlin posted:Actually banning these weapons would reduce the overall count by about 10%. If those guns were on a registry perhaps the people who had bought them legally initially would be less careless with their guns.
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Moridin920 posted:guns don't create criminals lol Oh sure, we absolutely should end capitalism and fix all of societies problems. But that's a long term thing, that's gonna take like, three years, absolute minimum. But my excellent gun control compromise plan could be put into effect tomorrow. And it would result in fewer dead children. Which is a noble goal. At least I think it is.
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...and the pitch! posted:If those guns were on a registry perhaps the people who had bought them legally initially would be less careless with their guns. if I was a smart criminal in need of firearms I'd simply look at the registry as a list of homes to invade and rob. Armories, if you will. Yeah homie might shoot one of us but if 6-8 desperate people roll up, lol.
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May 18, 2018 19:16
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...and the pitch! posted:They have a gun that's now illegal. He doesn't need to cite anything. That's not the way it works though. You cannot just make something illegal without recourse and compensation. Protected via the Constitution (and no, I'm not talking about the 2nd Amendment).
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May 18, 2018 19:16
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...and the pitch! posted:If those guns were on a registry perhaps the people who had bought them legally initially would be less careless with their guns. A large number of firearms in this country illegally are here because of the BATF...
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I only read the bold part and rolled my eyes. So to curb children getting murdered you want to restrict the firearms to would be mass shooters to ones that literally explode people (revolvers, shotguns? LOL). If you're going down that route you have to support an outright complete gun ban and suck it up for the next 10-30 years for that nasty transition - otherwise what you are saying is stupid. If you dont want to do that, then you have to work on other avenues to stop people from mowing down children - which is hard and takes intelligence and boohoo poo poo like that.
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May 18, 2018 19:24
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EvilMerlin posted:A large number of firearms in this country illegally are here because of the BATF... Now you need to cite your numbers, not that you said any.
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May 18, 2018 19:25
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EvilMerlin posted:Evidence of this? from his rear end
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Moridin920 posted:if I was a smart criminal in need of firearms I'd simply look at the registry as a list of homes to invade and rob. Armories, if you will. Yeah homie might shoot one of us but if 6-8 desperate people roll up, lol. Oh gee. Maybe it shouldn't be made public. Whew. That was a tough one.
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May 18, 2018 19:26
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sure okay posted:If I had literally one genie wish it would be to render all gunpowder in the world inert and that we can never make any more They'd find a way to put gasoline in cartridges.
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May 18, 2018 19:28
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did you know that you can kill a man with a can of soup ??
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...and the pitch! posted:Now you need to cite your numbers, not that you said any. The 2013 National Crime Victimize Survey report there were almost exactly 300,000 crimes, including murders and suicides facilitated with a firearm. Of those, not more than 5,000 can be shown to have been facilitated with a firearm legally purchased by the offender.
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May 18, 2018 19:32
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Moridin920 posted:guns don't create criminals lol Was gonna post this. Fix the society that creates broken homicidal shooters
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EvilMerlin posted:The 2013 National Crime Victimize Survey report there were almost exactly 300,000 crimes, including murders and suicides facilitated with a firearm. OK so no numbers about your claim that the BATF[E] is to blame for large numbers being in the country(?). No numbers on how many straw purchase. The gun has one check when it is bought brand new and then it is out in the wild with no accountability for the initial purchaser. Kazak posted:Fix the society that creates broken homicidal shooters Hard to argue with this.
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curlys gold posted:did you know that you can kill a man with a can of soup ?? i am botulism king of kings look upon my works ye mighty and despair
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What about multiple barrels, that would be allowed in your ban and people would start manufacturing modern equivalents of this sort of thing:
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May 18, 2018 20:05
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hosed-Up Little Dog posted:What about multiple barrels, that would be allowed in your ban and people would start manufacturing modern equivalents of this sort of thing: Do those all fire at once? If so, it's basically just a mega-shotgun? That takes like three minutes to reload? I'd be fine with that
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...and the pitch! posted:OK so no numbers about your claim that the BATF[E] is to blame for large numbers being in the country(?). No numbers on how many straw purchase. The gun has one check when it is bought brand new and then it is out in the wild with no accountability for the initial purchaser. Straw Purchases, by default are illegal... One does have to wonder why school shootings and such are on the rise. They really didn't start until the late 1990's and become "frequent" (and I use that word lightly) until the 2000's. This isn't a firearm issue. its a upbringing, responsibility and mental illness issue.
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Here’s my solution, OP 
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Guy Goodbody posted:Do those all fire at once? If so, it's basically just a mega-shotgun? That takes like three minutes to reload? I'd be fine with that Nope, it fires once per trigger pull.
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EvilMerlin posted:Straw Purchases, by default are illegal... No kidding. The fact that I knew the phrase didn't clue you in to the fact that I knew that? It happens every day nonetheless. Seems like maybe that law isn't good enough or well enough enforced. You demanded numbers earlier but you don't have any to back up your weird assertion.
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May 18, 2018 20:16
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EvilMerlin posted:Nope, it fires once per trigger pull. well then it's semi-automatic. and would therefore be banned under my "ban all semi-automatic guns" plan.
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May 18, 2018 20:17
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Guy Goodbody posted:well then it's semi-automatic. and would therefore be banned under my "ban all semi-automatic guns" plan. No it doesn't mean that unless you change the definition of the term
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May 18, 2018 20:19
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Guy Goodbody posted:well then it's semi-automatic. and would therefore be banned under my "ban all semi-automatic guns" plan. how can someone this bad at trolling even know how to turn on a computer?
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May 18, 2018 20:24
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extra stout posted:how can someone this bad at trolling even know how to turn on a computer? trump derangement syndrome
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hosed-Up Little Dog posted:No it doesn't mean that unless you change the definition of the term semi-automatic guns are the kind where you pull the trigger and a bullet comes out, and then if you want a second bullet to come out all you have to do is pull the trigger again Guy Goodbody fucked around with this message at 20:34 on May 18, 2018 |
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May 18, 2018 20:29
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Guy Goodbody posted:semi-automatic guns are the kind where you pull the trigger and a bullet comes out, and then if you want a second bullet to come out all you have to do is pull the bullet again thats not what semi automatic means
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May 18, 2018 20:33
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Blue Raider posted:thats not what semi automatic means yes it is.
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Guy Goodbody posted:yes it is. no its not
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Guy Goodbody posted:OK, so you might've heard that a lot of children are being murdered all the time in America. Schools now have to come up with ways to prepare kids for the eventuality that a guy with a gun will come into their classroom and try to murder them. Some people, myself included, think that's incredibly hosed up and we need to stop it. Other people really love owning guns, they love owning guns and aren't particularly bothered by the fact that an entire generation of children is growing up fearing that any day they could just be murdered in school. This is the funniest post you've ever made! Jokes aside, obviously that's the answer which is why America will never do it. We are a land of perpetual failure.
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May 18, 2018 20:36
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Blue Raider posted:no its not we aren't going to get anywhere if you're going to continue to refuse to agree with me.
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Guy Goodbody posted:we aren't going to get anywhere if you're going to continue to refuse to agree with me. joking aside i really like this turn of phrase
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Guy Goodbody posted:semi-automatic guns are the kind where you pull the trigger and a bullet comes out, and then if you want a second bullet to come out all you have to do is pull the bullet again I'm pretty sure the definition also includes mechanisms that automatically discharge the cartridge, and load another into the chamber as well as re-cocking the gun. Also I don't think your idea would be very useful in stopping mass shootings. If we are talking about the time it takes to manually eject the cartridge and load a new one (using a bolt action or such) it can be done in less than a second. The only way to really slow down how fast someone could shoot people would be to make all guns muzzleloading I guess. I feel like Jim Jefferies did a bit on this... e: yep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4&t=428s Sophy Wackles fucked around with this message at 20:47 on May 18, 2018 |
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Just deploy the military+national guard in our own streets in high crime areas and it will solve a lot of the problems. If you have a soldier on every corner that can detain anyone they want and search them people will be far less likely to go around carrying weapons. There, problem solved.
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