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denmark is full fash so the nominal fash has gotten outflanked on both sides greta thunberg single-handedly won the elections, environmental issues are an increasingly big deal when there's no influx of immigrants to hate, haters lose a lot of their impact because they can't campaign on "if you want an arab for a neighbour..." so the mainstream parties in the EU are going to keep paying erdogan to freeze refugees to death in turkish mountain camps
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i legit do not think unfaithfulness should be a political issue. indeed, politicians' sex lives shouldn't be an issue at all unless they involve other people than consenting adults dude should've just owned this
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i guess they weren't kidding when they said their day would come
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of loving course it turns into the worst of all worlds
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steinrokkan posted:Who ever attacked the people of the USSR? the people trying to categorise them with the nazis?
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Honest Thief posted:why's denmark having a populist rise, isnt the socdem state holding on still? there's broad consensus on the looting of the welfare state across scandinavia. the danish social democrats have presided over some really serious rollbacks and privatisations in the recent past, the swedish social democrats are bending over backwards for amazon and the norwegians seem to be in total disarray a year out from an important election and have jettisoned a ton of support by insisting on ever-closer alignment with the EU bandit regime
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also denmark is *shockingly* racist as a society so outright appalling poo poo like this is to be expected
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for the rest of scandiland i'd say that racial anxieties and resentments play a significant but much less pronounced role in our politics compared to the actual big empires, especially the anglo countries denmark, bizarrely, has gone totally overboard and not being actively chauvinist is a sign that you're not serious about seeking power. it's hosed up
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i think it actually is irreconcilable with social democracy, the issue is that social democracy as an ideology was fatally wounded in the early eighties and has been bleeding out ever since - the embrace of ethnic chauvinism is a defensive response to the collapse of the grander project. no longer are the social democrats representing a broad working class, they've collapsed into trying to be the general party of the common man which leads to a loss of ideological cohesion and some frankly pathetic displays. we free traded our way out of having a real mass base for our societal projects. loving stupid of us.
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also the translation 'new right' is fine imo, the anglosphere doesn't operate with the formal bourgeois/socialist party divide and it'd probably just be more confusing than good
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i find it hard to accept that objection in the context of specifically scandinavian social democratic projects obviously they emerged under the aegis of great powers and a very peculiar geopolitical system, but the source of colonial dollars to prop up the norwegian welfare state in the thirties, fifties and sixties is not clear to me - the extent to which you can call it a racist doctrine at its core seems to me dependent on some fairly niche takes on the national question and imperialism, which while reasonable on their own terms aren't really what we're talking about when we're talking about racism in contemporary politics
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either hamon or melenchon should've dropped out. realistically hamon, since he was seriously trailing it's amazing how hollande managed to be bad enough at his job to just shatter his whole party
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unite behind philippe martinez imo, shake the great moustache of the workers in the bosses' collective face
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what do you mean 'failed', the EU worked precisely according to its purpose in greece
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what languages do you want? i can dig up some norwegian commentary from the time, but guessing that that isn't what you're after, so i'd have to actually go searching otherwise imo varoufakis' accounts of this are good, but that guy seriously underestimates the extent to which the brutalisation of his country was by design imo
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as far as general sources go if you want to go looking, i like humanité's coverage in french and have seen good stuff from jacobin.de, previously ADA magazin, in german. i sincerely don't know any good anglo euroskeptic sources, but i imagine that the pre-snowden guardian might have printed something or that one of the hoity-toity intellectual periodicals (like the New Left Review) will have gone into this at some length
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https://newleftreview.org/issues/ii72/articles/stathis-kouvelakis-the-greek-cauldron kouvelakis is a SYRIZA figure and greek left intellectual, and while he's not outright euroskeptic he's written in the NLR on and off since the crisis - this, annoyingly, is not hitting the mark especially well, but it supplements varoufakis' account if you're after more general 'eu bad from socialist perspective' stuff i'd have an easier time finding good sources for that, but you'll have to wait until i'm at my own computer
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Falukorv posted:Lol was that the one that basic excel errors in it that formed part of their conclusions? That was discovered by some graduate student or something. yes, it's the one with errors enough that it should completely end a bunch of careers and pretensions of evidence-based policy people forever should also that hate eKKKu beat is not forgotten but i am now drunk
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casse-toi, pauv'con
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the old labour movements in my country had very clear examples of rejecting national chauvinism in a lot of cases - the border eastwards to finland and sweden was very porous and so you had a ton of anti-finnish sentiment in particular, but there's documented cases of workers fighting for equal pay for finns, though i expect many of the workers were racist af (including the finns, to be fair) there's a perfectly reasonable and intuitive anti-racist position to be found here, is what i'm saying. the reason that the left gets called class reductionist is because people don't want to consider modern western society as a class society, because the great class compromise period was such a good time for everyone and it's much more comfortable to imagine that it's still in effect so we can universalise basically middle-class issues. i'm sure there are bona fide class reductionist individuals and organisations out there, but i haven't seen it be anything like the force you'd think it was from the way Greens etc drone on about it
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a big issue with the parties of the class compromise is that they've transformed into small-c conservative populist parties. the mass base for a serious proletarian party is simply not there in most european countries, because the proletariat is to a large extent exported and a great deal of the domestic workers you'd need to rely on are foreign guest workers - in my country, swedes, polish people, people from the baltic, etc - who don't plan on staying around and who are much less incentivised to fight for improved pay and conditions - or to engage seriously with local politics
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why do these nativist assholes always have english names for their organisations this legitimately bugs me
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i am a legit cultural conservative and the USification of everything is so obviously the greatest threat to any cultural distinctiveness my country has that it boggles the mind that not everyone sees it. it's even seeping into the expectations people have of their working lives, it's bullshit!!! instead you get ridiculous moral panics about muslims which are transparently just racism dressed up as integrative concerns what i'm saying is, it's not your countrymen it's the entire cultural moment
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we even import our culture wars from the US, the other day i endured some rear end in a top hat trying to make a fuss about firearm regulations and i could not give less of a poo poo
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yes you're right let's all drive oversized cars to the mcdonald's and go slowly but thoroughly insane
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Orange Devil posted:This is easily the worst part. And something I have noticed as well. join a union you stupid assholes!!! don't just give the bosses concessions for free aughhh
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oliwan posted:The US is literally better at any cultural discipline than Europe though, whether that is film, TV, music, literature, you name it. Of course it's a numbers game, but it's still true. lol
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us culture is so hosed up that people routinely snap and go out to murder as many other people as they can also culture is not a set of products fulfilling easily measurable criteria, that is the attitude of a complete philistine - it's a category error. culture is produced and reproduced under different circumstances and playing different games - assuming an universal cultural standard and then judging whoever's politically most powerful as superior is literally the justification for every 'civilising' empire in history, you're just applying it to different factions of the imperial core and saying that they had it coming - which, sure, but it's still destruction of perspectives and often useful traditions
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also also yanks aren't even making the best video games these days lmao
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also 'the best (measured how lol) contemporary pop bands are american or basically americanised' is an enormously inadequate response to 'it is bad that the west is becoming increasingly culturally homogenous in a way that seems to be converging USian expression'
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oliwan posted:Give me your top 10 contemporary bands/ musical acts, and your top ten films of the last 3 years op so you're just not reading people's posts, right that's a time-honoured posting strategy, though usually employed to somewhat less outrée ends
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Venomous posted:anyway, can we at least all agree that cultural conservatism ≠ social conservatism and, for those who believe in nations, wanting a distinctive national art as part of a pan-European artistic tradition that may be influenced (but not subsumed) by eg. US art is good yes, when i say i'm culturally conservative it means i like folk dances, spoken dialects, obscure crotcheting techniques and regional differences in manners and attitudes. i especially like seeing these traditions meet and mutate with external influences, such as the emergence of surprisingly good rural hip hop in my country. i do not like homogenisation or the cultural erasure of the periphery by the centre. i appreciate that people from the north will knit different patterns than people from the south, and that they will swear up and down that those patterns are objectively superior. most of all, i think that culture is something that emerges from an objective base over time, and that it helps people make sense of an often difficult and complex world and that the elimination of the culture and distinctiveness of the periphery makes people in the periphery ill-equipped to deal with their own objective reality, which is a straightforwardly bad thing. this is both intra- and inter-national: typical american attitudes are a bad fit to norwegian society, which is build in a more collectivist and less expressive style, and the oslo mentality isn't going to work in some industrial town in some benighted valley basically i can see a number of reasons to try and oppose this ongoing tendency of homogenisation which outweigh the straightforward advantages, namely that people speaking the same language with the same jargon find it easier to relate to each other and, at least in principle, more difficult to dehumanise each other
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Office Pig posted:why are danes so evil it's a high-bourgeois culture in decline, basically. the same bourgeois liberality that makes denmark make good, edgy movies and childrens' cartoons about a guy with an inconveniently long penis also creates an environment in which it's effectively impossible to tell people to knock it off, which means that the entire discourse is both smugly self-elevating and performatively non-politically correct. this means that as bourgeois cosmopolitanism shows its cracks, the interpretation is that foreigners are savages and need to get with the programme, because you're absolutely not allowed to criticise the reigning paradigm.
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Guy P. McMan posted:Disclaimer: i may or may not be full of poo poo on some things: you have activated my trap card Rødt is a descendent, as you correctly note, of the AKP-ml and their electoral unity front with the other far-left activist groups (think an amalgam of trotskyites, third-worldists and suchlike, a very LF bunch), Rød Valgallianse, which has stopped self-proletarianising and has put on suits; notable for still having politicians front their ideology rather than think tanks, because they've got no money for think tanks. this makes them by far the most ideologically aggressive, which again is a big part of what pushed them above 4% this time. SV is a somewhat weird construction of left-wing social-democrats, renegade Soviet-aligned communists from the sixties (i guess they had their kronstadt moment with the prague spring) and intellectual eurocommunists. they were founded in the name of cold war neutrality (i.e. opposition to NATO membership) which they stoppd really caring about with the end of the cold war. they're still nominally anti-NATO and substantially anti-EU, but they got maneuvered into supporting the libya intervention in 2011 and have a tendency to succomb to weird bourgeois idealism Ap is as you note the labour party, which was formed by a bunch of Very Serious Dudes in the late 19th century and was to my knowledge the only major social-democratic party to actually join the comintern following the october revolution. the moscow theses were not really formed for that sort of party, so they left a few years later, but not until absorbing a fair amount of soviet development theory which would persist until the seventies. they had a sharp neoliberal turn in the late eighties (these trends have historically arrived here about a decade after they strike abroad). they still have extremely close ties to the labour confederation, the single largest organisation in norway by membership and very *heavy* organisation, which somewhat curbs the most keen liberalism, but LO itself has become fairly professionalised over the past decades, stirring ideologically with the recent open challenges to its authority. MDG are Greens. they are not supposedly leftist. they explicitly disavow being called that and i think we should take them seriously when they do this. basically they're a party for the urban educated class who think that the environment is more important than liberalism at all costs. Sp is a centrist anti-liberal party. they like agricultural subsidies, decentralisation, lowered land taxes, relaxed building regulations, tariffs and active industrial policy. i am not familiar with a party like this anywhere else in europe, which is probably to their benefit since it means that they can't just steal their misunderstood ideology from elsewhere like most of the rest of them do. V is the oldest, not second oldest, party in norway. they're not leftist. basically they're a party for the urban educated class who think liberalism at all costs is more important than the environment. H is the second-oldest party and are basically fans of the British Conservative party, which they wish they could be and constantly salivate after. it's weird and bad. FrP is, yeah, just an odious party. more libertarian than the alt-right parties have tended to be, weirdly. PF is a list in Finnmark, based around Southern Finnmark; because of the way the regions are built and because people are very sparsely distributed in Finnmark, a good third of the population of that region has to drive for three to four hours on some rather precarious roads which are often snowed in during winter time in order to make it to a hospital. they're not happy about it, so they elected this random lady to say "hammerfest hospital delenda est" at every parliamentary debate. the efficacy of this manuever is not clear, but i respect the moxie.
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the kpö in graz has been performing weirdly well for years, but this is both welcome and pretty funny
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double nine posted:or just to help drown refugees in the Mediterranean so they don't spoil la belle france don't need frigates to kill refugees, you just need some basic coast guard vessels crewed by sufficiently dead-eyed assholes, so this is pretty clearly aimed at turkey. if anything, since turkey is taking the role of jailer on behalf of europe and keeping tons of people from crossing the marmara, it's possible that this will have the exact opposite effect!
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spankmeister posted:Turkey is NIMO turkey is essential to NATO or they would've been chucked out for the weird poo poo they've been pulling
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they've been messing around in syria to the direct detriment of NATO interests, they've been bullying greece and causing generally very bad vibes in europe i'm sure that if they weren't very important, the rest of NATO would've found a way
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yeah it's basically impossible to find any kind of decent data on the effects of prostitution legislation - the best the norwegian investigation managed to find was "there's probably less prostitution now". it really does come down to whether one believes that society can or should condone prostitution as a kind of regular work, which either way has some pretty unpleasant implications
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