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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
i hope the italians do the right thing and leave the eu

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Jose posted:

its bizarre that they haven't watched it destroy every party everywhere that has tried it and thought "hmmm this is probably a bad idea lets not do it"

how is it bizarre? they've probably been bought

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

cargo cult posted:

AFD is more popular than the social democrats now :tif:

good. the spd needs to die

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Prav posted:

didn't we already have a thread for the british to be horrible in

this is eurothread and brexit hasnt happened yet

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

twoday posted:

The Baltic states had closed borders during Soviet days, as even moving within the USSR required a national passport, people were dreaming of living in Western Europe, or at least East Germany. The net effect of being part of the EU has increased standards of living in Eastern Europe, even with the migration you are so concerned about. Estonia in particular has become a tech hub. As economies improve economic migrants also return.

i wouldn't hold up the baltic states as a model for anything. also every shitass podunk country/state/city is trying to market itself as a "tech hub" in this garbage era we live in

mila kunis has issued a correction as of 23:32 on Aug 17, 2018

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

not a cult posted:

how do you improve your economy if all the people who are supposed to improve it have hosed off to britain or france or germany or wherever

remittances and being tax dodging havens. note; this may not prevent finance capital from raping your country regardless. blyth had a good writeup on the baltics i'll try to find it

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

mila kunis posted:

remittances and being tax dodging havens. note; this may not prevent finance capital from raping your country regardless. blyth had a good writeup on the baltics i'll try to find it

here it is, warning: long

https://pastebin.com/yRq95HNA

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

khwarezm posted:

Newsflash, Lithuanian nationalism helped lead to massive cooperation in the Holocaust compared to other countries.

Sorry about kids of emigrants probably not speaking the language I guess. Even though they are perfectly free too and it's their choice.

i agree with this liberal, the soviet union should be brought back. eu still sucks rear end though

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

twoday posted:

From what I understand, your philosophy seems to be that prosperity could best be achieved when migration is discouraged, and the EU is dissolved into a collection of unassociated ethnostates. Is that correct?

have you backed off from your assertion that the eu has transformed the baltics into wondrous tech hubs

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

blockchain

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
berlin is actively trying to wreck rome right now how would that work

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

twoday posted:

Is the EU perfect? No. Is it even good? Not really. But it’s functional in the sense that it is preventing Europe from once again imploding into a violent and horrific nightmare that would entangle every major world power and could easily become a threat to just about all life on earth. That threat is extremely real.

liberalism is a mental illness

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
the EU is run by people who exist to serve rentier and financial interests, just like most everywhere else on earth now. the common market has benefited some powerful countries (germany) and other less powerful countries where capital gets to play "lets shift production to places where we can pay people less!" (like romania) and pit labour against each other, while turbofucking so many other countries because they do not control their own currency and can be blackmailed into austerity and IMF style fiscal policy, degrading the quality of lives of millions of people. until the people in charge are forcibly removed, or theres some form of democratization where the interests of labour are given equal power in deciding EU and ECB policy, you're going to get technocrats who cannot be checked by democratic means unlike national governments running roughshod over people.

the british are still retards because they had the benefit of being in the EU while being able to control their own currency and fiscal policy and decided to own themselves.

mila kunis has issued a correction as of 05:20 on Aug 19, 2018

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
you can cry about european unity as much as you want but splintering is loving inevitable because while the citizens of who got rammed up the rear end by austerity have no control over the ECB, they can vote for their own national governments (until getting couped by technocrats becomes the norm) and they will vote to get the gently caress out if they keep getting squeezed year after year.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Antifa Poltergeist posted:

France wont do poo poo, unless it helps macron show that hes strong, and powerfull, and wise, and really just the best.

the next leader of france is going to come from the far right or the left, centrism is going to die in our lifetime unless they just do away with the democratic process and rule by ecb diktat

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
east germany got really messed up after reunification huh

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
my understanding was that west germany was the one that had a lot of nazis (good anticommunists) filling the ranks of the police, army and state institutions and east germany nazification was a new development thats been boosted by economic dislocation

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
whats the government's economic policies like?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
the portuguese communist party sounds cool as hell.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
heres a good rundown on the italians vs the EU austerity gangsters, hope italy wins

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/10/standoff-italy-european-commission-escalates-commission-rejects-italian-budget.html

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
can someone sum up whats happenin in france

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Have the leaks been saved somewhere and what's the good poo poo in em

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Kurtofan posted:

ashamed to say that the top fn candidate for the european elections is from my department (93) and also is italian

doesnt seem very french nationalist to vote for someone from italy

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Kurtofan posted:

i mean his family is from italy, sadly he was born in france

disgusting, immigrants coming here and taking eu parliament seats from honest ethnic frenchmen. the fn should disband immediately

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

nazis and communists together on the right huh

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

poty posted:

i like what ive seen of macron and i dont care if thats uncool. wanna hang out with those pro-eu-integration-towards-an-european-federal-state french grandpas and grandmas

that's not uncool that's flat out moronic unless you're some rich prick unaffected by austerity

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1144537224505151489

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
how are the PCP expected to do

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

is the 5 star movement a stupid joke or what

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/13/why-hungary-is-infected-by-ultras-who-are-almost-impossible-to-control-wembley-violence



White nationalism on the terraces of Hungarian football stadiums dates back to the 1950s, and grew through the 1970s and 1980s as Hungary’s youth, disillusioned with communism, became more brazen with their protests.

When the Soviet system collapsed, fan violence at games became commonplace and most of the regular match-attending fans not interested in violence walked away. When communism fell in 1989, attendances in Hungary averaged about 7,000. Today they are below 3,000.

The remaining match-going public largely share similar sentiments. White power tattoos are common among the ultras groups at domestic games, as are Nazi-inspired banners, and this has spilled into national team games more recently, so much so that before Hungary’s European Championship game in Munich in June, the Carpathian Brigade warned fans on its Facebook page that they would need to cover tattoos to abide by local laws.

The Carpathian Brigade has become almost impossible to control. The principles it was founded on are starting to shatter and it is impossible to determine who belongs to the group.

On Tuesday night the core of the Carpathian Brigade were not in attendance, yet the group’s rising infamy is breeding a culture that inspires those in the ultras culture outside the group’s core to hide under its banner.



It was a mix of Hungarian and Polish fans who caused the trouble at Wembley on Tuesday night. Poland and Hungary’s close connections date back centuries and in football terms over the past decade the ultras groups have begun to form ever more intertwined relationships.

Before 2009 Hungary’s ultras at national team games were fragmented. Ferencvaros ultras would not associate with their rival ultras Ujpest, and neither would Fehervar, Honved or Debrecen. Each ultras group would sit in a different part of the stadium and they would never walk under the same banner.

Now under the Carpathian Brigade name, Hungary’s ultras (and to a small extent Poland’s too) have formed alliances that in the fragmented years most would have thought impossible.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
its going to be a fun day when american nazis start forging links with their european brethren, wonder whats taking them so long

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Things fall apart every time they start discussing football.

lol

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
what secrets was he leaking? was it in service of influencing domestic politics in some direction?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
on the german conquest of europe https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/ultra-vires

Poland, according to Brussels, needs to be taught a lesson, and not just because of the government’s packing of the constitutional court with judges dear to the heart of the majority party. Both the constitutional court and the government believe in a narrow interpretation of European legal supremacy, rather than the broad one preferred by the EC, EP and CJEU. As a result, the Polish constitutional court is likely to find certain, but not all, legal commands emerging from Brussels to be ultra vires, transgressing the limits of European jurisdiction, thereby violating not only Polish law but also the European Treaties to the extent that EU member countries have in the Treaties ceded only some but not all legal powers to the Union.

[...]

the Polish constitutional court, supported by the ‘anti-European’ Polish government, likes to invoke a recent decision by the German constitutional court, the Bundesverfassungsgericht (BVG). Having long been seen as a paragon of both political independence (thanks to its careful appearance management) and EU loyalty, the BVG recently declared the CJEU ultra vires for finding the BVG in breach of European law, in particular for failing to affirm loud and clear its general supremacy over national law on an issue relating to the powers of the ECB to commit national central banks to support specific supranational monetary policies

[...]

This, however, did not satisfy the EC. Under pressure in particular from Green German MEPs, it declared Germany to be in breach of the Treaties for its constitutional court having suggested that the EU’s vires may perhaps have at least some limits after all

[...]

a few days before the new German government was to be sworn in, the Commission all of a sudden dropped its case against Germany, without much ado and so inconspicuously that the German press hardly noticed, or could pretend not to notice

[...]

the German government had ‘committed itself to use all means available to actively avoid (aktiv zu vermeiden) a future repetition of an ultra vires finding (eine Wiederholung einer Ultra-vires-Feststellung)’.

[...]

What is at stake here is what has been called ‘integration by law’, which has over time evolved, more or less by default, into the most important mechanism for bringing about the Treaties’ ‘ever closer union among the peoples of Europe’. This is because the now 27 member states are unlikely to unanimously agree on a revision of the Treaties to extend the power of the Union, not least because some would need to have the revision approved by popular vote. Thus, an alternative route to supranational state or empire-building has to be found, bypassing the need for a formal Treaty revision

[...]

The way this works can be seen by comparing the cases of Poland and Germany. Germany was accused because its constitution allowed its constitutional court enough independence to rule against the national government – in other words, for its government not preventing the court taking a view different from that of the government, thereby upholding the rule of law. When, upon pressure from Brussels, the German government promised that it would see to it that the court would from now on rule in line with the national government, thereby committing itself to curtailing the independence of the court, and with it the rule of law, proceedings were ended on the grounds that the country had promised to respect the supremacy of European law. Poland, on the other hand, is accused of, and is already being punished for, not allowing its court enough independence to rule against the national government, thereby curtailing the rule of law, this time however by allowing the national court to challenge the doctrine of the universal supremacy of European over national law.

[...]

In effect this turns the battle over the rule of law into an instrument of imperial elite management aimed at national regime change.

[...]

How does integration by law fit the worldview of the new German government, and what are its prospects for the future of the ‘European project’?

[...]

for Germany, integration by law rather than by convention is the ideal method to build a German-dominated European state or empire: rule-based rather than politics-driven, proceeding through juridical authority instead of political legitimacy, based on ‘values’ and derived, with juridical expertise and authority, from norms rather than interests, drawing for legitimacy on obedience to the law instead of political consent, and engineered behind closed doors by academically trained specialists

[...]

The only problem is that Germany’s indispensable European co-hegemon, France, has little enthusiasm for this approach, historically and culturally preferring politics over legalism, discretionary over rule-bound decision-making, and personal leadership over the impersonal application of legal norms.

In fact, the French political class seems increasingly disillusioned with the preferred German route to ‘Europe’, which it sees less and less as leading toward a ‘European sovereignty’ modelled on the French that can be projected worldwide

[...]

von der Leyen was quoted by the EU’s PR office as saying that ‘EU law has priority over national law, including constitutional law’, a principle which according to her ‘had been accepted by all EU member states as members of the European Union’. Rhetoric like this has the potential of waking up hordes of sleeping dogs in national capitals

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
i guess there's no other way for ze germans to do european integration given that the EU has somehow recreated the liberum veto if they wanna go about things in a more above board way

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
lol what

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

SplitSoul posted:

The Danish Social Democrats seem to have found their wedge issue for the coming election. It's hijabs. Hijabs on schoolgirls, specifically, and compulsory "Danish childrearing" classes for "some" ethnic minority women. Don't concern yourself with the energy crisis or the fact that the Foreign Minister hosed a child, there's a culture war to win. MUSLIMS!!!

isnt denmark the country that made a policy of literally stealing jewellery and other items off refugees. then rescinded it specifically when white ukrainian refugees started coming in

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

SplitSoul posted:

It still applies to the other refugees.

holy loving poo poo

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

spankmeister posted:

idk, the ones that keep waving DNR flags around and keep calling Ukraine nazis might deserve it?

you people deserve whats coming

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Ghost Leviathan posted:

this is your brain on capitalism

Honestly it seems more that westerners literally cannot conceive of post-Soviet Russia and China being anything other than subject states who exist in a state of at best de facto colonisation and exist to provide cheap labour and resources, and the idea that they have actual leverage is a source of constant confusion and rage as they cannot internalise this

their brains similarly broke when the saudis used oil against the west as a weapon when the west backed israel in the 70s but they worked a deal out in the end.

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