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A eu where the fringe/south countries are all reactionary shitholes that shoot boatloads of imigrants on sight while the north wrings their hands about decorum is basically the platonic ideal for juncker et all. Meanwhile,Spain kicked out their right wing nationalist goverment due to corruption charges, and replaced it with a nominally center left party + the basque nationalists . True to form their already pledged to follow the budget aproved by the previous goverment . and people wonder why traditional center left parties are dying.
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Tbf the socialist party just went full steam ahead into centrist garbage territory, they just bought a war with the teacher unions,and are being hammered by both the left AND right for going back on one of their campaign promisses.they also managed to piss off the biggest labour union last month. So that presumed majority is looking really shaky right now,with the added bonus that they just alienated the left thats keeping them in power. Thankfully for them,the world cup starts soon.
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He definitely is a wino,only in this particular instance i really think its a hernia/ciatica attack. Still better than Barroso!
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I though thats what hearts of iron was for. meanwhile trump and the eu have kissed and make up.
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Tbf, our president as mellowed out in his old age.hes not so much a right wing dude, but basically the living avatar for centrism, never met a camara he didnt love, and has laser honed folksy charm.his work on constitutional law is the de facto reference in law in portugal.hes also a conniving bastard, a dangerous political operator, and may or may not have snitched on his class mates to the secret police during the dictatorship ( hint: he did, the dictator was his godfather.) hes still wayyyyy better than the last guy. That article is basically the right wing of the socialist party throwing a hissy fit,because it looks increasingly unlikely that they will win a outright majority and they will have to form a governing coalition with the left bloc.only this time the communist will stay out, and the next goverment is going to get hit both from the right wing liberal assholes and from the hard left. Its gonna be fun.
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Electronico6 posted:Our Right is very old-fashioned to go about supporting Trumpism, and also to coward to break ranks with establishment neo-liberal EU doctrine so no UKIP poo poo either. As such PSD/CDS get to retain that "reasonable conservative" image. They also always tend to vote robots for leaders, with the exceptions of Paulo Portas and good old Zé Manel Barroso. So what youre saying is that when they dont elect robots,they elect amoral psycopaths? Also lol at the whole left bloc bullshit, robles should have immediatly resigned, the only good thing is that now a lot of people know how insane real estate speculation is. Btw this is a major blind spot in BE, because they are the bourgeoise marxists. They dont have a efective retort to "you're hard left, yet you still participate in capitalism?!" because they atr middle class idiots who want to reform capitalism instead of murdering it.
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It turns out brain drain is actually A Thing, and not just the brain matter leaking from my ears because of this derail.
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twoday posted:The Baltic states had closed borders during Soviet days, as even moving within the USSR required a national passport, people were dreaming of living in Western Europe, or at least East Germany. The net effect of being part of the EU has increased standards of living in Eastern Europe, even with the migration you are so concerned about. Estonia in particular has become a tech hub. As economies improve economic migrants also return. They dont. they really really dont. oh boy , do they ever not return But never mind that free movement is basically a way for rich countries to get highly skilled professionals and cheap labour whitout having to pay for their upbringing, healthcare or education. Those southern and eastern countries they are all moochers.
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Current UN secretary and world's most useless man Antonio Guterres oversaw the euro transition in portugal, as he was the PM at the time. When he signed all the paperwork and dotted all the i's , he famously said "blessed euro,we live and die by it." and everyone just assume he was being glib.But since he was part of the workgroup that was responsible for Portugal's EU membership bid since the 70's , you can bet your rear end he knew exactly what he was talking about.everyone inside knew, that the euro was a clusterfuck and that it would loving burn us alive if it ever went tits up, or even had a slight hickup. 2002 rolls around and our gdp growth flatlined, stuff that costed 25 cents in 2001 costed 50 cents by the end of 2002, while wages stayed the same. Someone made out like bandits. It just wasnt the little people. Look at this loving thing when 2002 rolls around  Euro shock was real, but while important countries like france and germany got to break the stability pact multiple times to adjust to it and never even got a slap on the wrist, plucky little portugal abided by all the rules, and got turbofucked in the aftermath of 2008. Meanwhile all the guys that were saying that the euro was a bad idea are ignored, because 1) lol its the commies saying it and 2) they have a annoying tendency to be right so lets ignore them while we stick our head in the sand and our thumbs up our rear end. Then 2008-2011 arrives, a poorly prepared country shits the bed through no fault of their own, and the guys we called for help, including the imf and the EU proceed to gently caress it a 1000 times worse because they are mouth breathing retards that cant even work an excel sheet gently caress the euro. gently caress the EU. gently caress these people. The guillotine is too kind for them. Antifa Poltergeist has issued a correction as of 00:11 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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twoday posted:Alright, well I'm clearly not convincing anyone of anything here, or even understanding what you guys are saying, appare Serious aswer: we dont, not really. The d&d thread has some people more in the know about the inner workings of the eu bureoucracy, i think plusket or dawncloack work in brussels even.although they have a much rosier view of the eu, they can tell you how incredibly hard it is to move the needle. Very serious answer: we dont get out of this mess, because europe sliding into a pastoral technocratic plutocacry, while the perifery countries turn into nationalist dictatorships that we still do bussiness with IS the end game. when climate change goes into overdrive all the " fortress europe" bullshit is going to look like rainbows and unicorns. This is the most likelly outcome. The serioust answer: we dont. Unless the elites recognise that the single market is a scam used to milk the poorest countries from their resources and workforce, paying cents on the euro for it. That its being used to keep germany and france competitive in the global market by artificially deflating their currency. That the financialization of the economy as been a mistake, and bretton woods has killed more people than any single world war. That we need to kill all ofshores dead, institute fiscal transfer, stop every single corporation from dodging taxes by registering in the netherlands and ireland, that its vital we have a trans national program in the order of the tens of trillions of euros for green energy and infrastructure to fight climate change aplied through decades, that its vital to have a citizens and workers bill of rights and recognise that the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles. We wont do even one of those things. But thats ok.When our time comes, we wont make excuses for the terror. Antifa Poltergeist has issued a correction as of 10:30 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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That was a good post,Often Abbreviated, and yeah , how it isnt obvious that we are gonna turn into "border states go fash, murder all immigrants while the north wrings their hands" is blaffing.
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twoday posted:Well that’s the thing, people bitch about Germany having too much power within the EU and say that the EU is the 4th Reich. But if the EU was dissolved tomorrow, do you you think that the countries that want to form an axis of nations would stop doing so? No, they would continue, but they would be even more unincumbered and free to go full Fash without the EU in place, and have fewer restrictions upon them to do so. The whole premise of the EU is to put a set of limitations and controls upon European countries to avoid the sorts of situations that led up to the world wars by avoiding isolationism and encouraging interdependency. You can’t stop European countries from wanting to be fascist and evil, but you can put a system in place that makes this difficult to get away with, and that is one of the main purposes of the EU. Even if the V4 becomes a fascist powerhouse within Europe, it would still be limited by its interconnectivity with other non-fascist EU countries. As Often Abbreviated said, there is the possibility that the entire EU will go fascist, but we’re not there yet. And I would argue that this scenario would potentially happen sooner without the overarching structure of the EU in place. Then you could really have the potential for something like a reunified and fully fascist Austro-Hungarian empire that isn’t beholden to the rules of anyone else, and lets itself become totally totalitarian and evil. Instead, what we have now is just the V4 as lobbying group of restrained powers. I get what you are saying here, but then i look at austria, hungary, italy and think " yep, job well done" Edit: unless the plan is that no one has money to have a decent military and those who do spend it on the broomtanks.
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Kunster posted:So a few pages ago i talked about PSD (Centre Right) having a split in leadership over the current leader not opposing hard enough to the current government, even if said government is just sort of telling the rest of the left-wing coalition to buzz off. The guy who left has recently announced what his new party is about ("Reasonable Liberalism, with an emphasis on personal liberties and religions, without excesses! American Education and Health System sounds like a Blast, etc etc") and how he's going to crowdfund his party's support. Its great, im so excited op, Santana Lopes is a legendary sell own guy with way more theatrical ability and sense of entitlement than jeb, its going to own.
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France wont do poo poo, unless it helps macron show that hes strong, and powerfull, and wise, and really just the best.
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Kurtofan posted:69 % disapproval Nice. Well, except for macron.
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Dawncloack posted:This is old, but... holy poo poo, sb reads my screeds! I do read then my man, you're a good poster and you know your poo poo,even if it takes me a half an hour to read your posts and 2 hours to think about them,its the good kind of thinking.Pluskut too,although half of time i disagree with him. Kunster posted:Over here the PSD owned SIC has taken to call Tony Blair a socialist over the Heathrow road that prioritizes emergency and public transportation just to slam the mayor of Lisbon considering that between Lisbon and a few other municipalities and to start using the argument that if you worry about property speculation and rent hiking then you are not a normal everyday person that doesn't understand real person concerns. I guess that's one way to adapt to the modern landscape? Yeah, things have been running too smoothly in Portugal, the capitalist assholes are putting on airs again. The loving economy secretary and the governor of the central bank come out with warnings about too much easy credit being given and the real estate bubble and all the big banks ceo's tripped over themselves saying that everything is fine, this is fine. Time for another general strike + passing the real estate speculation tax.
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get that OUT of my face posted:say what now GElectrico is being kinda flippant, the PCP is old school marxist leninist meaning they have a populist, international bend, not nationalist. Portugal is a odd duck because its really averse to extremism,even when we went fascist it was a half-assed integral fascist dictatorship. Half assing things is kinda of our national moto. Although we let all the fascist enablers back in in the 80's because they had all the money.we're still better off than spain in that regard. Also,that dictatorship was whit in living memory, all the insane populist go into football,and our antifa is good at cracking skulls. It turns out a active hard left is really good at squelching the nazis, who knew.
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Electronico6 posted:Just because PCP say their patriotic policies are totally in line with the internationalist values of the October revolution, doesn't actually make it so. This is the same party that is still very much into Brezhnev limited sovereignty when it suits their needs. Wait what?what nationalist policies do they have? Having our own currency? Second point im not sure, i mean the pcp is not advocating the use of force by other socialist countries to keep maduro in power or anything.fighting capitalism worldwide is kinda the marxist leninist thing. Kunster posted:My conspiratorial side sorta sees Observador and Publico suddenly doing Peterson fluff pieces on the oped re: the latter and promotiong the translation of the book (despite nearly everyone neing aware of the man being fluent in english) as a non subtle way to attempt to sell more people on the other side, now that even pundits here are going "oh jeez, i guess liberalism is dead?" Yeah, observador will go totally TrumpTrumpTrump if they can, the other media just doesn't wanna rock the boat. I think its more a reflection of the infighting in PSD and CDS triangulation than establishing a hard right wing beachhead.
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Electronico6 posted:Renationalization of economic sectors, pulling out of the EU, more power to national/local institutions. A lot of this isn't very far from your UKIP and FN "moderate" positions. The language and framing is of course completly different. But my statement here is that a Portuguese Nigel Farage is going to have a hard time appealing to patriotism and nationalism when that is already the domain of the Communist Party. My dude, a communist party calling for state and worker ownership of the means of production is not some novel thing. Dialetic analysis of the particular circumstances a communist party finds themselves in is not beyond the pale. Sure, Pcp under cunhal went hard on soviet style, but the dude is dead for 20 years and the party as moved on,slowly for sure.pcp position is that nato should be abolished how is that a isolationist position?A democratic party fighting for democratic changes in line with their policy is kinda the platonic ideal of a party? I mean i like left bloc and all , but their recent missteps over the robles debacle and euthanasia show that they are not immune to bourgeois excesses.
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Electronico6 posted:This isn't about the means of production dude. I do see differences in both speeches,as one states that true independence and revolution comes from the people and gives concrete examples of it, and the others throws about populist buzzwords of us vs them and for people to be proud of [insert nationality here]. I mean,stating that PS and PSD have sold themselves to capital, which has no country,is not some far out thing. From their 2015 programme "A Programme for a patriotic and left-wing policy that springs from the real situation of the Country and pointing the real causes which are at the root of the serious economic and social crisis that has struck it. A Programme that, given the dramatic social situation into which the Country was thrown, responds to the massive emigration of half a million Portuguese, which compromises our future, an unsustainable unemployment of more than one million two hundred thousand unemployed, with the colossal economic and social costs of almost three million Portuguese thrown into poverty by the current policy. A Programme determined to tackle a crisis that, although prior, appears with special acuteness with the entry into circulation of the single currency, expanded with the worsening of the crisis of the capitalist system and which has become even more devastating in the last five years with the implementation of the Stability and Growth Pact (SGP) and the Pact of Aggression. A Programme to overcome the Country's vulnerabilities resulting from the process of monopolist restoration and its inseparable programme of privatizations, of destruction of strategic sectors and liquidation of the productive sectors, of increasing finantialization of the economy, of a drastic cut in labour incomes and the rights of the workers. A Programme of affirmation of dignity and national sovereignty in view of the constraints of the capitalist integration process of the European Union and its instruments of domination that, from the euro to the Budgetary Treaty have bound Portugal to dependency. A Programme that follows the path of the resistance and struggle that is needed to confront the dictates and impositions of the European Union and the IMF, because it is on the path of resistance and affirmation of sovereignty, and not in vassalage to the centres of transnational capital, that one defends the interests and rights of the Portuguese people and of the Country." Independence and sovereignty from capital is like Marxism Leninism 101. I mean, if all the dipshit nationalist wanna vote for pcp because they somehow think its the party defending pure lusitanian bloodlines,that seems to be their problem,although i've yet to meet a single pcp voter saying "yeah im voting for pcp because they will make Portugal great again." From the programme also, for european cooperation: l A intervenção do Estado português visando uma reconsideração do enquadramento institucional da União Europeia, nomeadamente por via dos esforços concertados com outros Estados para a convocação de uma cimeira intergovernamental para revisão dos Tratados, que tenha como objectivos, entre outros, a imediata revogação do Tratado Orçamental e a revogação do Tratado de Lisboa. l A defesa dos direitos sociais e laborais como factores centrais da cooperação na Europa. A rejeição da Estratégia UE 2020 e sua substituição por um Pacto de Progresso Social e pelo Emprego. l A adopção no plano europeu de medidas de combate à pobreza e à exclusão social, incluindo a instituição de um rendimento mínimo. l A convocação de uma conferência internacional para a renegociação das dívidas dos países vítimas de processos de extorsão e chantagem dos ditos «mercados» e que foram comprovadamente prejudicados com a sua associação à União Económica e Monetária. l A defesa de planos de emergência para apoio dos países intervencionados pela troika, que preveja recursos financeiros e as necessárias derrogações ao funcionamento do mercado único e às políticas comuns. l O reforço substancial do orçamento comunitário, através da reabertura da discussão do actual Quadro Financeiro Plurianual. l A recuperação de instrumentos de soberania monetária, cambial, orçamental e fiscal, essenciais para garantir o desenvolvimento do País. Estudo e Preparação do País para o libertar da submissão ao Euro, de preferência em coordenação com outros Estados em situação semelhante. l A criação de um programa de apoio aos países cuja permanência no Euro se tenha revelado insustentável, que preveja a devida compensação pelos prejuízos causados e enquadre uma saída negociada destes Estados da moeda única. Uma iniciativa articulada com a Dissolução controlada da União Económica e Monetária, com a revogação dos diplomas da Governação Económica e do Semestre Europeu e o fim do Pacto de Estabilidade e Crescimento. l A reconsideração do enquadramento comunitário da economia portuguesa, com uma profunda revisão das políticas comuns, Política Agrícola Comum, Política Comum de Pescas, Política Industrial." Tl,dr: among others: -a complete revision of eu treaties -call for the expansion of eu budget -demand for a social services and job pact for all members. -call for a eu wide ubi -mechanisms for debt forgiveness and renegotiation. -a clear and controlled exit strategy available to member states from the euro. -end the growth and stability pact. This poo poo ain't soviet.txt. (They still suck when they support maduro and mpla) Electronico6 posted:They do throw some real good parties. This i agree. Antifa Poltergeist has issued a correction as of 00:02 on Sep 27, 2018 |
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Kunster posted:Ya know, reading a piece on Publico that suggests trying to get Luso-Venezuelans and migrants fleeing from there in order to court PSD and CDS for some equivalent of the Cuban community in Miami and fearing that same block might go to protests against oil industries sort of tells me that RWers do have someone that sort of pays attention to the other side of the Atlantic a bit closer than I expected. Yes,its paulo portas, they are trying to replicate the "retornados" block.its really dumb in a really evil way that will probably work.
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Yeah man,the 100 year war was a lot of fun,cant wait to do it again
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Spain, and to a lesser degree, Portugal, prove that when you finally overthrow the fascists, you put those fuckers against a wall.
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Yeah, most leftist groups have been saying this since around 2011, im pretty sure BASTA and the liberal initiative are getting support,if not outright money from them. Good news is ,because its such a cash cow and it only atracts the worst kind of people theres gonna be a whole lot of grift going on.
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Dawncloack posted:Calling it now: Psoe and C's coalition. gently caress. Dont Sanchez and Rivera hate each others guts? I mean,politics and all that, but maybe forming a coalition with a guy who will do everything to stab you in the back might not be smart.then again, psoe. Anyway, some optimism may be ok, Spain dodged a bullet, a fash bullet that keeps coming back , a boomerangobullet if you will.
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Because they're idiots, the GUE does good work.the two remaining semi-relevant communist parties in Europe are in it.
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PAN successfully making the leap from "animal party" to "environment party" will make or break them.so far they are definitely eating the greens/ecology partys lunch. Also lol that 70% of the population just didn't bother to show up, it wasn't even a great beach day.healthy democracy.
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Honest Thief posted:Come on, 30 degrees out, if it weren't for the weirdly strong wind currents it would have been unbearable. Otherwise a pretty nice beach day. Look man, wind was blowing sand all over the place.i don't like sand.its coarse and rough and irritating and it gets anywhere.not like at the voting booth, where everything is soft and smooth.
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get that OUT of my face posted:nice to see that the rest of the world will be in a better place in five years except for america and france. even italy is getting sick of the far-right's poo poo Lol, my dude, we barely began our journey down the poo poo slide, things are about to get so much worse that when we look back to 2019 it's going to feel like Charlie's trip through the chocolate factory.
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That drone video was a pr stunt for a Instagram influencer.also it was in Brazil, not portugal.although we really did turn into the Florida of Europe, only with less gators.
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Honest Thief posted:Or have people from the cities lambasting the dumb farmers for not ripping out eucalyptus from the entire north of Portugal. I mean, it's just cutting them down! /s Its not farmers that planted the eucalyptus. Unless you consider navigator and Portucel farmers. Maybe this whole profit motive that had us wholesale rip up century old oaks and olive trees and replace them by eucalyptus and pine is a bad idea.
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That's awesome,Ribald sex comedies are high art.
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Grifter is not exactly the term, but he just might be the most talented used car salesman in the world. He's certainly running rings around every other politician right now. I don't think there's any other guy that could have done the geringonça. Dude not only had the necessary rapport with BE and PCP, he also had the complete trust from the capitalists to pull it off.that takes talent. He's kinda poo poo when it comes to the actual governing part of the job, especially when dealing with crisis events , but if the latest reaction to the truckers strike is any indication, he might be learning. He's gonna steamroll everyone in the October elections, the only doubt is if PS will get a majority or not. I hope not, because BE and PCP kinda kept his worse impulses in check.
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Honest Thief posted:Yeah, that's a good point. But not sure if that makes him better or worse tbh. They are DOA. They are kinda poo poo because they think intelectual arguments win in politics. Also I love that the geringonça broke the right's brain so much, a whole cadre of right wing parties showed up and they are all busy doing their populist front of Judeia/people's front of Judeia version. Antifa Poltergeist has issued a correction as of 10:29 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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