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whitehelm posted:I'm curious, is there anyone in this thread who has read Mors Rattus's LPs but hasn't played the games? I haven't! I know the basics and a bit of the worldbuilding already but these LPs are my only knowledge of the games themselves.
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FoolyCharged posted:It is? Is it in a new thread? The old one is pretty dead looking. Hopefully it will continue again. Hopefully. 
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I’m admittedly a bit... Ambivalent about this game. On the one hand, I do love how it reframes some of the core concepts of the rest of the series. On the other... There are some MAJOR things in half of the cases that could have been done better, to put it mildly. But that’s a long ways off.
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FoolyCharged posted:It is? Is it in a new thread? The old one is pretty dead looking. We've had much deader LPs before on this forum that have come back and finished.
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Yeah, there was a Final Fantasy X LP that stopped for three years before picking up again and concluding.
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  Confrontation ~ Moderato 2009   Further, you messed up the files to make it look like you had committed theft instead. That's when you moved Jim's body that was sitting in front of the bookshelf! But thanks to that, you didn't notice the bloody letters his body was hiding. And it will be by his final words that you will be brought to justice.   Hmph. Are you sure you're not mishearing his words, Mr. Portsman? (There is no way Detective Gumshoe is the culprit here. I will find the flaw in this man's logic and expose it with credible evidence!) So as you've probably noticed, these are identical to the cross-examinations in regular AA games. Just...not in a courtroom.  As is tradition, we start by pressing every statement.    You know, there's something I've been meaning to ask... Hm? What is it? Why do you call the victim "Jim" when clearly, his name is "Buddy Faith"...? Isn't it obvious? "Jim" is the perfect name for my companion. "Jacques and Jim". Don't those two names go together like peanut butter and jam? But "Jim" isn't even close to the guy's real name... Well, "Jacques and Buddy" just sounds... off somehow. Besides, he was the third of a bunch of guys I decided to nickname "Jim". (Hmph. He talks about the victim like he was his pet.) Do you really think it was necessary to dishevel my shelves twice to do that? That's true...Ok, then maybe his real intent WAS theft. Hey! Are you accusing me of stealing something from Mr. Edgeworth!? It's a possibility. Maybe your salary's been cut so much that life is getting a little too rough to handle...? I'll have you know that I eat three square meals every day, pal! ...OK, so all three of them happen to be instant noodles, but... Poor thing. What an evil prosecutor you were paired up with. And what a motive, no? And why would Detective Gumshoe do such a thing? Because the body was getting in his way. He had to mess up your bookshelf somehow, right? Anyway... Why do you think that the killer didn't notice the bloody letters? The body was covering it quite well, wouldn't you say? That's how he missed it. But judging by what I've seen, it doesn't take much for your detective to miss something. Who do you think you are!? You know nothing about me, pal! There's a lot a person can understand about another from first impressions alone. (I can't say I disagree with him on that point...) Wh-Why don't you say something, sir!? ...*gasp!* N-Not you, too, Mr. Edgeworth! (Despite his lack of attention to detail, I don't believe the detective to be the culprit. Nobody could've overlooked the bloody letters, and I can prove it... With evidence.) I couldn't ask for a better set-up for the game-finishing spike! Are you saying that those letters were intended for you? Yup. Jim was an outstanding detective. I would expect no less from my former partner. (It looks like Mr. Portsman still doesn't understand...He has yet to figure out the true meaning behind the bloody letters.) (Actually, there's a gigantic flaw in his logic...A gap so wide that even the good detective can spot it. Now to clue Mr. Portsman in by presenting him with some evidence.) The game gives you a hint here by making this the one statement Edgeworth goes "I have evidence!" for. As for the problem with Jacques' statement, well...   Heh, bringing a bit of the courtroom into this, I see. No problem, I'm game! I can't help but find it odd... Excuse me? Miles Edgeworth ~ Objection! 2009 Odd that a fellow prosecutor would be brought down by the power of his own office. Wh-What are you talking about!? ...Oh, you're joking, I get it...! Ha ha ha. If you have the time to laugh, then you have the time to take another, closer look at this.  Wh-Whaaaaaaat!? That's impossible!! What's "impossible", Mr. Portsman? Um, uh, nothing... The files on that shelf are about a certain case. When the killer went to take the file after murdering your partner, I highly doubt they could've missed the bloody letters written on the spines.  I think it's pretty obvious that the file was stolen after it was written on. The missing letters in the detective's name where the file should be is proof. Yeah! I mean, the "s" is gone, and there's only half an "h"! If Detective Gumshoe really was the culprit of this case I highly doubt that even he could overlook his own name written in blood on the files. Especially as a detective who can't stand the sight of blood!  Which means... what exactly? What does that make this dying message...? It makes it the work of a criminal intent on tampering with the crime scene. ............ That's so low! I can't believe the criminal tried to pin this whole thing on me, sir! I'm gonna get 'em, sir! You'll see! I'm gonna have them under arrest in no time! Well, Mr. Portsman?Silence Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Brilliant! Absolutely splendid! Logic deserving of Olympic gold! I appreciate the praise, but it doesn't change the fact that your reasoning is flawed. Meh, you win some and you lose some. That's how life goes. Glad everyone's so cheery... even though I feel more dead than alive. Ah, but you know, it really is a shame...I really didn't want to have to bring this up, however... W-What is it this time!? Are you still after me, pal!? Humor me for a second. Who has the key to this office? That would be me! But Mr. Edgeworth just proved that I'm innocent, pal!  That's absolutely right! And I acknowledge your innocence. Then why do I sense that you still have something to say? Well, I was thinking. Did you know there is one other person with a key to this office? (One other person...?) Investigation ~ Middle 2009   Would you kindly fetch and escort that lovely young lady here for me...? (A lady...?) The girl is a member of this building's security. Think of her as a "material witness". S-security? Did you say, "Security"!? No, stop it, pal! Don't! (What's wrong with him all of a sudden?) I believe she needs no introduction. I have called upon Ms. Maggey Byrde, a member of security.Suspense   Meet Maggie. The tl;dr of her life is a constant stream of misfortune(including being falsely accused of murder twice...well, three times now ), and that continues here. Also Gumshoe's into her and the feeling might be mutual. Ms. Byrde is the security guard on watch tonight. I see. And your point is? My point is that she could very well have used it. And by "it", I mean the master key, which can open all the office doors in this building. Wh-Wh-Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!? If you are not the guilty party, Detective Gumshoe, then the only other person with access to this room is Ms. Byrde. How dare you!? I would never sneak into someone's room! That's right! I refuse to believe that Maggey's the culprit, pal! Um...It was me! That's right, I did it! Can we take that as a confession, Detective? Um, well, it wasn't really me... But it definitely wasn't Maggey, pal! So, yeah, it was me! If it was, you'd have no problems with that, right!? Please refrain from flying off the handle, Detective. There's no need for such theatrics. Listen to your boss, Detective. He understands what I'm saying here. That girl is the only one who could've committed the crime, and for one simple reason!  Confrontation ~ Moderato 2009 It's pretty obvious that Ms. Byrde snuck into your room using the master key. I mean, if Detective Gumshoe isn't the one who opened the door... ...then that leaves only Ms. Byrde as our prime suspect. On top of which, she knows our good detective, doesn't she? Making it all that more probable that she was the one who faked that dying message.   That's what you claimed about the evidence earlier as well... That was then, this is now. The flow of a good match always changes during a rally. It's all about your reflexes and reaction time, especially for an athlete like me! (I wonder if there was anyone other than Ms. Byrde who could've used the master key? It seems the only way to get Mr. Portsman to give me more details is to Press him.) You can safely assume I'm always pressing every statement at first unless stated otherwise.  Are you sure Ms. Byrde is the only member of security who could've used the master key? There's only one person on staff at this time of night. And tonight, she's it. Isn't that right, Ms. Byrde? That's, um... true... But... But I wasn't able to use the master key at the time of the crime, sir! ("Wasn't able to"...? What's that supposed to mean?) Yes, yes... Moving on. I'd hate to get sidetracked by something unrelated. Whaddaya mean, "unrelated"!? I wanna hear what she has to say, pal! But you can't really trust her not to tell lies. Plus, I hate wasting time. Of course we're going to. Not so fast. I, too, am interested in hearing what Ms. Byrde has to say. Didn’t I just say it'd be a waste of time? We don't need to hear her lies. I'll be the judge of that. Ms. Byrde, if you please. I discovered that the master key was missing at around 1 AM, sir! What do you mean by "missing"? Mr. Portsman, I believe this to be an important piece of testimony. Don't you? *sigh* I can't believe that someone like you would be taken in by such words. I'm not lying, sir! This objection actually comes from Portsman. If that's the case, then I'd like to know... why do you have the master key now? I...I don't quite know. It just reappeared all of a sudden, sir. Hah, a likely story. And where is your proof that the key was stolen to begin with? I bet you just forgot where you put it and then "found" it again. I never lose things! I can practically guarantee that! With me, if something disappears, it's usually because someone stole it! Yeah, pal! Trust me, you don't want to test how bad her luck is! .........Unfortunately, I can't deem this piece of testimony as conclusive. Glad you agree, Mr. Edgeworth. Unnnngh... But! But! You still haven't established Maggey's motive for breaking into Mr. Edgeworth's office! Her motive? Didn't we already establish that it was theft? I mean, the culprit clearly went through the bookshelves and at least tried the safe. It is as Mr. Portsman says, Detective. (I can't ignore the fact that all the evidence points towards a motive of theft. But I'm done taking blows. It's time to counterattack with a few facts of my own.) This was added thanks to pressing the previous testimony. I concur that the culprit's motive appears to have been thievery, however... Glad to hear that the great Miles Edgeworth is in agreement with little ol' me. However, with regard to the investigation of the bookshelves and safe... Hey! Good thinking, asking for my opinion on the matter! .........Would it be too much for you to allow me to complete a full sentence? I thought we had established Detective Gumshoe's innocence pretty thoroughly. It was just a theory, one hypothesis among the many possibilities. I mean, I had my doubts about Ms. Byrde from the very beginning. If that's the case, then why didn't you mention her first? Now, now. Don't make that face. See! There goes the truth, running the other way! Let's pick up the pace and see if we can't catch up to it! I don't think you're catching my drift... Ah, but we are in agreement that the detective isn't the killer, right? If so, then I hope you'll understand when I say that since she is the only one who could've open your office door... Don’t you think it's a bit early to be jumping to conclusions? Are you saying there's another way to open the door other than with the master key? Oh, I get it. Perhaps you had a spare made for someone else? I'll have you know, I have never made a spare, so what are you insinuating? Nothing. Guess I should've known better than to suggest that someone like you would. Is there anyone in this district who hasn't at least heard of Detective Gumshoe? Good point. He's practically a celebrity among us prosecutors. Really!? I never knew I was so talked about, sir! We're holding our collective breath, you know. For when you screw up so badly that you're literally chased off the force. W-Wait, WHAT!? IS THAT TRUE, MR. EDGEWORTH!? .........O-Of course not. T-That's hogwash! Phew...Don't scare me like that! I almost had a heart attack there...Gumshoe.   By "dying message", you mean the bloody letters that spell out "Gumshoe"...? I figured that whoever wrote his name must have wanted to frame him. And just the act of choosing his name is proof enough that the two knew each other well. And loop. I would love to... But first, we should listen a bit more, and digest what he is saying. (And Press him for more information.)We've already done that, and unlocked the statement we need to object to. But what to object with?  Maggey wasn't a prosecutor last time I checked.    Do you wish to continue insisting that Ms. Byrde was set on stealing something? Why not? It's the truth, after all. It was also by your logic that we came to the whole thievery conclusion anyway. Miles Edgeworth ~ Objection! 2009 The existence of which is only privy to prosecutors... Ah! I find it a little hard to believe that a hidden safe was a part of her cunning plan. B-But...! But she could have found it by accident while she was turning everything upside-down! I highly doubt that. I'd say that the culprit knew exactly what they were looking for. After all, only the bookshelf and the safe were targeted. Yeah! Even I didn't know about that safe, pal! And that means there's no way Maggey could've known about it either! Th-Then are you proposing that the killer is a prosecutor...? Interesting conclusion. That's definitely looking more and more probable. ............ What's wrong, Prosecutor? Do you have a different suspect in mind now? I... I...Silence  Wh-What's with the angry face all of a sudden...? It's...It's all my fault...! What do you mean? It's Jim...He knew...about the existence of the secret safes.Suspense ! What did you just say...!? We were partners! Like inseparable conjoined twins! That's why I told him. I filled him in on the secret safes. Then that means... Yeah, I know. I had only just told him, too... Obviously, it was wrong of me to tell him... I still can't quite believe it, but the thief who broke into your room was probably Jim... (Now he's claiming that the victim was the thief...?) And...you were simply trying to stop him, weren't you? Ms. Maggey Byrde... Excuse me? .........! I mean, you ARE a security guard, right? That's your job. But, killing is going a bit too far, even in your risky profession. What the--!? You're still accusing Maggey of the murder!? Yes and no. I mean, she had stumbled upon Jim, who had probably drawn his gun... I get it! It was self defense, wasn't it!? N-No! I...I couldn't...I could never do something like that, not even as a security guard, sir! Plus, even if he was the thief, he wouldn't have a key to this office! Which is precisely why he had to steal it, wouldn't you say?  Pretty impossible for a supposedly "stolen" key to be here with us, unless well, unless you retrieved it from Jim after you killed him. Mr. Portsman, are you honestly accusing your own partner of being a thief? I don't want to admit it, but it's the only way for everything to make sense. (Has he no honor!?) Would you people be so kind as to see yourselves out? You can't kick us out! This is Mr. Edgeworth's office! Ah, but I'm the one who's been assigned to this case. You are all suspects to varying degrees, and therefore, ineligible to run this show. ......... Listen, pal! How many times do I have to say this!? Maggey CAN'T be the culprit!! Detective Gumshoe! Calm yourself. B-But, sir... We have no choice but to accommodate his request...for now. Ha ha! Thank you, Mr. Edgeworth. At least ONE of you understands. Now, then, if you could remove yourselves from my crime scene, I'd be most grateful. Hmph. Mark my words, Mr. Portsman. We will meet again. If that's a formal request from the legendary prosecutor himself, then I suppose so. Now don't disappoint me, you hear!? Jingle ~ Slight Break 
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Jun 29, 2018 03:39
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Gumshoe... Maybe if he was paid enough to eat nutritious meals he could do his job better. Also, Haifisch posted:
Isn't this supposed to be Maggey?
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limeicebreakers posted:Isn't this supposed to be Maggey?  (Fixed)
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Jun 29, 2018 04:26
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I'll be totally real, I was 100% expecting it to be Wendy.
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Jun 29, 2018 09:15
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I'm glad they made Great Revival Edgeworth's leitmotif if only so that we could get an Objection theme based on it.
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Jun 29, 2018 09:57
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PMush Perfect posted:I'll be totally real, I was 100% expecting it to be Wendy. Then Edgeworth would have never come back! Therefore it couldn't have been Wendy!
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Jun 29, 2018 10:11
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PMush Perfect posted:I'll be totally real, I was 100% expecting it to be Wendy. 
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Jun 29, 2018 10:32
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One does not create an Edgeworth game and throw Wendy into the first case. One simply mentions her and allows the knowledge that she's definitely out there somewhere to percolate in the player, so as to better unleash her on everyone at the proper time.
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I don't care how true it is, it makes too much sense that Edgeworth adopted an idiosyncratic filing system as a purely defensive measure for just this occasion.
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I remember case files popping up in something else (a live action film/an episode of CSI I overheard once) and no, that's just how they're sorted. Might have been the mainline Ace Attorney games too. Case files are weird.
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I wanna say the other time case files came up was... Rise from the Ashes? It had to be that one, at least before the second trilogy anyway
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Jun 30, 2018 02:51
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So Portsman (or this guy who is pretending to be Portsman) totally killed the dude, right?
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If only they showed the murder during the prologue
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:So Portsman (or this guy who is pretending to be Portsman) totally killed the dude, right? I don't know, he seems pretty trustworthy to me. Gumshoe must've finally snapped.
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Carlosologist posted:I wanna say the other time case files came up was... Rise from the Ashes? It had to be that one, at least before the second trilogy anyway   : *squawk* "Don't forget DL-6!" *squawk*
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I know she's probably mid-blink or something, but that Maya face is so smug, drat.
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Haifisch posted:
Oh my god Edgeworth is so cool. Literally held at gunpoint and making threats. You know he 100% means it too. Absolute baller.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:So Portsman (or this guy who is pretending to be Portsman) totally killed the dude, right?  Pieuvre posted:I know she's probably mid-blink or something, but that Maya face is so smug, drat. She is, but Maya is usually pretty smug anyway. SoundwaveAU posted:Oh my god Edgeworth is so cool. Literally held at gunpoint and making threats. You know he 100% means it too. Absolute baller. To be fair, this isn't the first time someone's pulled out a gun in front of him.
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IAmTheRad posted:
tbf I was only off by one case
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Rise From The Ashes also involved case files: IIRC, it was the SL-9 Incident instead of DL-6.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:To be fair, this isn't the first time someone's pulled out a gun in front of him. Considering the last time he was held at gunpoint, he literally passed out, Edgeworth has gained at least a couple levels in "does not give a gently caress".
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dotchan posted:Considering the last time he was held at gunpoint, he literally passed out, Edgeworth has gained at least a couple levels in "does not give a gently caress". 'Before I was a boy, lost, alone, adrift. Now I am an Edgeworth, heir to Von Kaiser as the preeminent Prosecutor of this age. I have been through the crucible of Humility and uplifted by the Attorney from the Ashes. And you think pointing that little peashooter at me is going to make me lose my cool?'
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dotchan posted:Considering the last time he was held at gunpoint, he literally passed out, Edgeworth has gained at least a couple levels in "does not give a gently caress". The last time was 1-4, wasn't it? Granted, he wasn't being shot at, but still.
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Oh my goodness, Maggey, please go through one game without being accused of murder.
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Tuxedo Ted posted:Oh my goodness, Maggey, please go through one game without being accused of murder. You do realize a monkey paw's finger is curling right now? Maggey is ablative armour for Gumshoe.
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Investigation ~ Opening 2009 What is with that prosecutor!? I can't believe how rude he was! It was...unbelievable! Please maintain your professionalism, Detective. I'm gonna find some real solid evidence proving Maggey's innocence! You'll see, sir! But we've been kicked out of the crime scene, sir! T-True... So then, what now!? Looks like my life's fallen into yet another gigantic ditch. Do not despair, Ms. Byrde. We can overcome this as well. There are many other places and things we should be looking into anyway. Eh!? Really, sir!? For example, this hallway. The lynchpin of his argument against Ms. Byrde is related to the master key. In that case, this hallway is the perfect place to look for more information regarding the mystery surrounding my door. As you'd expect, the game gradually opens up, which means we now have a new place to investigate. Notably, the hallway is slightly bigger than Edgeworth's room, taking up more than the size of the screen. Investigation ~ Contradiction At The Crime Scene   Let's touch base with Gumshoe first. Anything of interest? Detective Gumshoe. You look rather intrigued by something. Care to share? Aw, it's nothing... but I noticed that Mr. Portsman calls his partner "Jim". And the detective in that Sunday night drama, "All My Cops", is named Jim, too! I bet one of them is a big fan of that show. You seem to know a little something about it yourself. I take it you watch it, too. Of course! The tight bond of friendship between prosecutor and detective is great, sir! But it's nothing compared to the super strong friendship we have, ho ho ho. "Friendship", Detective? I think you're mistaking it with "pity". H-How can you say that, sir!? And after all we've been through, too... *sniffle*... .Talking to witnesses About Ms. Byrde... No way she's the killer! Please don't tell me you buy into that accusation, sir! Rest assured I think she's innocent. However, I need to ask her a few things regarding her security guard position. Well, if you're only asking, that's OK. Just stand next to her and then touch the Talk Button. Then you two can talk about whatever topic you pick. When you want to ask her about evidence, all you have to do is Present it. After you choose what to show her, touch "Present" again, and off you two go! I recommend showing different people different things. You'd be surprised by what they say! Thank you for the explanation, though I don't recall asking for one. Oh, just so you know, sir, you can show ME evidence in the same way, too! I do believe it's time to get down to business and ask some questions of Ms. Byrde. Ignored again... *sniffle*I could do that, or I could shove evidence in Gumshoe's face.  ...I'm not sure what I should so with that other than to arrest it! (Is that the only talent you have...? Oh, wait...)This is his generic response for evidence. The non-generic responses are for the Prosecutor's Badge, which I already showed off, the revolver:  A tool used to protect lives, yet one than can also take lives away. Those who take a gun in hand wield a great responsibility. I hope you understand that. I don't really use my gun at all, sir. The only time I would use this baby is... ...when I'm fighting a hot duel with a convict to look ultra cool! *sigh* You were doing so well until that last bit.And the secret safe:  I mean, I thought I knew everything there is to know about you, Mr. Edgeworth! I feel like I've caught a glimpse of the hidden side of Miles Edgeworth! (There's a great deal you don't know about me... At least, I hope so...) Onward to the actual investigating. First, we'll be talking with Maggey.  I've always been a big fan of the courtroom, but this...  ...this is like a dream! A dream where I'm being cross-examined by THE Miles Edgeworth! (I can't let this chance pass me by. I must remember to ask her about the master key. I should jog her memory by showing my notes to her through the Present Button.) But first, there's conversation to be had. The victim Have you ever met the victim before? Well, I've seen him a couple of times before when I had to go to Mr. Portsman's office. Mr. Faith was always playing basketball with Mr. Portsman, sir. That sounds like fun! Just once, I'd have loved to play with them. It sounds like fun, but the only person ever taking a shot was Mr. Portsman. All Mr. Faith ever did was pass him the ball, sir... ...On second thought, I don't think I'd have fit in all that well with them.Maggey Byrde Ms. Maggey Byrde, correct? I take it that you are an acquaintance of the detective? She was under my supervision back when she was still on the force, sir. One day, she got caught up in a murder, and things started going downhill, so she quit. But I owe a lot to Detective Gumshoe for introducing me to my current employer! Or so I thought until a few hours ago...Right before I was about to clock out for the night... ...You got caught up in this whirlwind of a case, correct? Don't worry. My whole life has been nothing but a whirlwind of bad luck and failures. ...? Since I was 6 months old, when I fell from the 9th floor of my apartment building, I've been hit by all sorts of vehicles, gotten sick from all sorts of foods, failed at almost every test I've taken, experienced almost every kind of disaster...And now, I even managed to be named a criminal, just when I've become a security guard. That's...a lot to go through in one lifetime... I know! And just when I thought I had finally found my happiness, I wind up getting you and Detective Gumshoe involved in my bad luck. You don't need to worry about me, Ms. Byrde. Nor do you need to worry about yourself. I will solve this case and prove your innocence. All I ask in return is for your cooperation. Yes, sir, Mr. Edgeworth! You can count on me! I'll do all I can to help! It's time to present stuff, starting with the most important thing.  (Interesting... Despite all appearances, she seems to know more than Gumshoe.) With that badge, even I could be a professional prosecutor... Sir, may I please try that on? Just for a little bit!? I don't think that would be a very good idea, do you? I-I guess not... (On second thought, they're actually on the same level...)And now for the generic response:  I'm not sure what I should do with that other than to guard it! (*sigh* It's like talking to another Gumshoe.)And the way forward, presenting the master key:   By the time I realized it, I think it was around 1 AM, sir. And I noticed it was back at around 2:30 AM. It was just sitting there on the ledge where the security room's reception window is. Why is such an important key stored in such an insecure place? Ah, it's not like that, sir. We always keep the key further inside the room, away from the window. Always, you say? Except for this time, correct? Well, I admit that was a bit careless, but I had my reasons! I left it out because I was sorta using it at the time. (She used the master key?) And that unlocks a new line of conversation. What did you mean by you "used the master key"? Oh, I had to use it to open the door for this prosecutor who had forgotten his key.  I mean, it's my job as a security guard, right? .........Ah!Silence What is it? That's right! I just remembered! The prosecutor who forgot his key...It was Mr. Portsman, sir!Investigation ~ Core 2009 What!? Please tell me more, Ms. Byrde. Quickly! It was around 12 AM. Mr. Portsman had forgotten his office key, so he came down to security, sir. And that's when you loaned the master key to him? No way! It's against regulations to loan the master key out to anyone!  (I see...) And then? What happened after that!? Well, he called for me to come close up his office as he was leaving to go home. That was around 1:30 AM, I think. So, in summary, for the sake of one forgetful prosecutor... Talk about suspicious!! I doubt you can say that you've never left your keys at home, Detective. (I think this calls for a thorough examination of Mr. Portsman's door.) But hey, how about this couch? The one that's right here?  This couch has cushions! That's incredibly suspicious!  Sorry, sofa. I apologize for my narrow-minded cultural assumptions. (Is there even a difference between a sofa and a couch? And would this thing qualify as either one? Seems more like a cushioned bench to me.) Talk about a luxury waiting area. These babies are also great for napping, you know! You would sleep even out here, Detective? In a hallway? Whenever I do, I always wind up dreaming about giving testimony on the stand. But it always ends the same way: me getting trounced by a lawyer! Isn't that awful? (Maybe I should give it a try sometime...to envision myself winning, naturally.)Also I guess there's the super-obvious case file underneath the  Ah! isn't this that missing 0-series file, sir!? No doubt about it. The bloody letters mark it clear as day.  Our thief took only what was necessary, and left the rest behind. So what are these 0 files about, sir? I guess they've got something worth stealing in them, huh. Not particularly. It's just a collection of court case files. However...the cases within these files are not mine. Huh? They belonged to the high prosecutor that used to occupy my current office. I have my reasons, but let's just say I was charged with keeping them as they were. Then that means the thief must've also wanted the file for a specific reason, right? It would seem so. Only the pages related to that case from 10 years ago are missing. I wonder why anyone would care about such an old case?And if it's examined again:  Yeah, and why would you steal something and then leave it behind?  (Didn't I just explain this a few minutes ago?)And then it loops back to the explanation above.  That's Mr. Portsman's prized possession, sir. I heard he also plays soccer, dodge ball, and even tennis. And not a single one of those sports is suitable to be played in a hallway. Oh hey, there's some weirdo over here. What's a faceless NPC like him doing in the first case of an Ace Attorney game? To be sure, a murder within the walls of the prosecutor's office is no trifling matter. We must find, apprehend, and punish the killer accordingly post-haste.Prosecutor: Sounds like a messy case you've got on your hands. If you ever feel lost, or need my advice, my door is always open!  How gracious. I will keep your offer in mind. (...Who is this guy again?)That's Winston Payne, a prosecutor who exists solely to be defeated in tutorial cases. Or in this case, to be a cameo in one.  Officer: Yes, sir! If you must know, I weighed myself this morning, and I'm finally at 154 pounds! ...Congratulations, but I was asking about this hallway and this room.Officer: Oh! Everything's OK, sir! A word of advice. Stay focused, or you may start to lose even more weight. Hey, didn't this used to be just outside next to the building a long time ago? So when and why was it moved indoors...? I don't remember exactly, but I saw one of the officers drag it up here recently. ...Drag it!? I heard that it wouldn't fit in the elevator, so the poor guy had to bring it himself. (...All the way up to the 12th floor?)This is the first thing that's a little mean in the 'you didn't do the exact thing the writers wanted you to do' sense, but we'll get to that later.   Whoops! ...Hey! These number plates slide right out, sir! They have to be able to take the plate off when a room becomes vacant, you know. Although... the idea that it can be so easily removed is kind of...I know what you're probably thinking, and no, this does not become evidence or a logic point. It's 100% optional to look at. Also, that was just the dialogue for the number plate. The door itself gets some too:  It's sturdily made, making it near impossible to break in by force. It's almost...majestic, sir. I wish I could be as stately as this door. (Only Gumshoe would praise a door as something greater than himself...) Being a detective has its own rewards, and a certain virtuous value... I think. If you live up to your full potential... that's a poignant trait that anyone can admire. I see! So you're saying, sir, that me being me is the best thing I can do for everyone? ............Right. ...That long pause wasn't exactly reassuring, sir.And the doorknob.  And according to the guard, no signs that the lock was picked, either, sir. Meaning that the door really was opened with a key. Hmm...Did you happen to ask if any prints were lifted from the doorknob? Apparently, the doorknob's clean as a whistle. Wiped, they think. (Whoever this thief is, they did a good job of not leaving any clues behind.) Portsman's door, same layout as Edgeworth's door. Shocking, I know. First, the number plate:  Yeah, you can't mistake it because of that basketball hoop, sir. Oh, that reminds me. Mr. Portsman had actually wanted room 1202 really badly. But since you were already occupying it, Mr. Edgeworth, we put him next door, sir. So why was Mr. Portsman so particular about getting room 1202? I'm not sure, but I bet it's because of something like his birthday is December 2nd...? Yup! That's gotta be it! I can't think of another reason why! (I can think of at least three...Bah. Why am I even wasting time thinking about this?)Then the actual door:  It's kinda majestic, too! Fits in really well with the ambiance of the prosecutor's offices! Even Mr. Portsman seems dignified, just because he works behind one of these. Nonsense. A man doesn't become more or less dignified because of where he works. Well, he still seems more dignified than Mr. Payne. (Mr. Payne...? I suppose custodial work can also be dignified.)And the doorknob:  Heh heh, I bet the ol' credit card trick wouldn't work here, huh Mr. Edgeworth? This is the office of a high prosecutor, Detective. These doors would be pretty ineffective if the average cat burglar could get through them. Aha! So I guess only a GREAT cat burglar could get in! That must be who our culprit is! ...Might I advise you to return that conclusion to whatever pawn shop you bought it from?Logic ~ The Way To The Truth That's everything we can look at for now, which means it's logic time.  The contradiction should be obvious here.  What!? No way, pal! I mean, sir! You said that you locked up Mr. Portsman's office at around 1:30 AM, correct? However, the master key had already been stolen at that time. Woooow... Nothing gets by you, Mr. Edgeworth! You saw that contradiction like a pro! I had totally forgot all about that! But thanks to you, I remember it now! And...? Well, I'm a security guard, sir! I couldn't just admit to losing the master key, could I? So I...I pretended to lock up his room...sir. You "pretended"? So in actuality, you never did re-lock the door, then. Well, I thought that maybe I could go lock it after I found the key...Come to think of it, I guess the door still hasn't been locked properly...Investigation ~ Core 2009    The latest evidence. Note that the evidence about the stolen file got updated without the game explicitly telling us.  Presenting Portsman's door to Byrde isn't required, but nets us some dialogue. I've also had the chance to see the inside of his office on a number of occasions, too. He's got shelves upon shelves of sports memorabilia, trophies, and awards in it to the point where it's almost beyond gaudy, sir. ...But maybe I just feel that way because I'm jealous since I don't even have a single one. Don't say that, Maggey! I...I'll make a special "Guard of the Month" award, just for you! ...Thanks for trying, but I've already got a mountain of consolation prizes, sir. They're proof of just how unbelievably unlucky my life has been. Plus, getting an award from you just isn't the same as getting a real award, sir! N...Nnnnnnnnngh! And Gumshoe has something new to say that will be relevant in a bit. Oh, I've been waiting for this! Let a real, seasoned pro teach you how it's done! (A real seasoned pro? Of instant noodle cuisine, perhaps.) You know that you can always check out the really important spots in more detail, right? ...Yes... And if the area is too big, you can always use the Arrow Buttons at the bottom, right? Oh, but don't worry, sir. The Arrows only show up when you need to use them to see more. I knew that as well. AND! When you think there's a contradiction or something unusual, try Deduction! First, you line up your cursor with the suspicious-looking area. Then touch "Deduce" and choose your poison, I mean, evidence. When you've settled on a piece, you've gotta Present it! I'm pretty sure I already knew that as well, Detective. Well, if you can remember all that, then welcome to the world of pros! I dub you, "Ace Investigator"! Class dismissed! (And all I wanted was an update about the investigation...) The way forward is deducing the contradiction in Portsman's doorknob.  Examining the door told us it was locked tight, but if Maggey never got a chance to lock it & she tricked Portsman into thinking she did...  There's a contradiction here between reality and the evidence. If what Ms. Byrde has said is true, then why is this door locked tight? Huh? You know, you're right! Ms. Byrde, are you sure you didn't re-lock this door? I am certain of it, sir. And I don't think Mr. Portsman noticed it himself that I hadn't... Which means...what, sir? It either means that he actually DOES have the key to his office...or that the door Ms. Byrde opened wasn't this one at all, but a completely different one. She opened a different door? But how can you prove that? There's an easy way to find out. All we need to do is...  Prints on the master key If we examine the fingerprints on the master key... Well, if that's what you want to examine, sir, that was the very first thing we did. I can tell you that we didn't find any prints other than Maggey's. That's so brilliant, Mr. Edgeworth! So what can we deduce from that? Ah, well... I'll tell you what I deduced! I think this means that the culprit wiped their prints off! ............Y-Yes, that's exactly it. I'm glad you were able to come to the same conclusion. However, the more important matter is...And it loops back to "we need to examine these". Prints on the number plate The prints on the number plate, they will tell us all that we need to know. Everything? Really? ...Like what, sir? Like...Well, for example...And such as...Well, we know for sure that Detective Gumshoe's dinner will only consist of instant noodles! Woooooow!!! That was amazing, sir! How did you know!? Was that supposed to be a joke to cheer me up, Mr. Edgeworth? Y-Yes, that's it. Now then, we should get back to doing what we need to do and that is...Yes, I know the easily-removable number plates seem like a really obvious thing to be investigating, but that's not what the game wants us to do. Some Ace Attorney things never change. Prints on the doorknob The prints on the doorknob will tell us everything! Hey, you! Yeah, you, pal! Do us a favor and see what you can lift from this, OK!? There's no need for such belligerent nostril flaring, Detective.Forensics: Sir! I have found only Mr. Portsman's and Mr. Faith's prints on this doorknob. So only two people's prints were found on this, huh? That's pretty decisive... Huh? I'm lost, sir. Thinking logically, a certain other person's prints should be on this knob as well.  Don't you find it odd that the prints of the person who unlocked this door are absent? You mean...? Yes, the door that Ms. Byrde opened could not have been this one, but a different one.Investigation ~ Middle 2009   This is on the same screen as Portsman's door, but we couldn't look down here until now. That said, there's actually something I missed at the top...  I can't believe he put something like this in the hallway of a Prosecutor's Office. But, you know, it's actually pretty useful, sir! I haven't gotten lost trying to get to your office since it's been here! (How long have I had the same office, and yet you STILL managed to get lost!?)Alright, back to the bottom, starting with the basketball.  Yes, sir! He's always ready for a match! Basketball, soccer, dodge ball, tennis... It doesn't matter what sport it is, he's game. Although, I think it'd be a little hard to play tennis with this ball. Ho ho. That isn't the point you should be focusing on, Detective. Y-You're right, sir! Now I know what I should be focusing on! Bad Mr. Portsman! Someone should teach him to clean his toys up after he's done playing! ...I think we've reached the end of this conversation. It's the bottom of the basketball hoop, but something is a little...off. What are you looking at, sir? Oh, hey! How about a game? That's OK, Detective...I just found the position of this hoop to be a little off. Hey, you're right, sir! I guess it shifted when someone made a seriously sweet slam dunk! (The positioning of the hoop is definitely unnatural...I'd better take note of this.) Yes, you specifically don't get this evidence until you can examine the hoop here. Which makes sense in some ways, but is kind of dumb in others. And Gumshoe has something to say if you present the basketball hoop to him:  ...Interesting. You should see me dribbling, faking, and weaving like a pro with my trusty coat on, sir! They call me the "Green Supernova"! (He wears that tattered rag of a jacket even on his days off?) Some paper shoved under the door, obviously. Looks like a scrap of paper. I'll get it, sir! Let's see...Oh, there's something written on it! It looks like a note from the victim. Yeah, and it's for Mr. Portsman.   Huh...? H-How so, sir!? In a variety of different ways...I think it's time we had a little chat with the real culprit of this case. Y-You know who the real killer is!? Wow, Mr. Edgeworth!! As long as my logic is sound, then yes...the mastermind behind this murder is none other than Mr. Portsman. I knew it! That's exactly what my logic senses were telling me, too! I suspected it was him from the instant he accused Maggey of being the killer, sir! (That is anything but logical.) Lady and gentleman. 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"How did you know?" "Well, there's only about four named characters right now."
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It's funny other think that Payne gets so little respect when his length of time undefeated in court is second only to Manfred.
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Huh. Okay, so if that's how he got in, who took the master key? ...Buddy?
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But if he was after the previous prosecutor's files, why did he raid the safe?
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I like that Edgeworth due to not knowing who Payne is, thinks he is the janitor.
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Haifisch posted:And Gumshoe has something to say if you present the basketball hoop to him: I would pay actual money for a Mario 3 on 3 esque spinoff game where you get to play as Gumshoe playing basketball in the park, constantly stumbling over and subsequently ignoring evidence that's strewn all over the court.
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MonsterEnvy posted:I like that Edgeworth due to not knowing who Payne is, thinks he is the janitor. It's one of the immutable rules of the Ace Attorney universe that Winston Payne gets no respect. Absolutely none.
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Even Gumshoe gets more respect than Payne. Even if it is mostly from Maggie.
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  Alright! Let me take a gander at it! Pass it here! OK, looking good! You there! Take good care of this!  End of the line for you, Portsman. We've got you now! Call off your dog, Mr. Edgeworth. Is this some kind of joke? It's no joke. We know, Mr. Jacques Portsman, that you are the guilty party in this case.Suspense  You must be pretty upset, getting chased out of your own room. I'd be mad, too. So I guess you can stay...If you promise to stay out of our way. You intend to hide your crime under the guise of a prosecutor doing his job? Hmph, I can see right through the unsightly, paper-thin mask you wear upon your cowl. Ha ha. Who'd have ever thought it would come to this? ! The legendary prosecutor who never lost a single case for 40 long years. But there was always this...incessant chatter about forged evidence with that guy. ............ Really teaches me that I've got to stay on the lookout for false accusations, you know? Are you done trying to play mind games with me, because they won't work. The only thing you should be using that mouth of yours for now is explaining yourself. Although that, too, will only dig your hole deeper. Either way, your game is up. Well, aren't we full of ourselves? Even though you have yet to prove anything.  Confrontation ~ Allegro 2009 I have no idea what sort of hair-brained(sic) idea you have in mind, but... ...there's a mountain of evidence that points away from me being the culprit. Besides, how, may I ask, do you propose I unlocked your door and got in here? Look, I feel bad doing this to you, but I've got work to do, so we're done here. Sorry, but we are not finished, yet. Boy you're stubborn. I suppose you're basing your accusations on something? (I'll show you what I'm basing my accusation on...with evidence.)  My accusation is a hair-brained idea, is it? You tell me. I'd say it is. After all... Oh? And what, pray tell, kind of evidence are we talking about here? Jim was my partner, so you can't say I had a motive for killing him! And...? That's it? That's not even an anthill, let alone a mountain. But it's more than enough, wouldn't you agree? ...Might I recommend that you review what the word "evidence" means. It doesn't change the fact that the evidence doesn't point to me as the killer. Unfortunately, I believe I have already shown how earlier. Your speculations mean nothing, as I still insist that I could not gain access to your room. We'll hold off on that for now. (I need to gather a bit more information.) What's wrong? Don't tell me all you wanted to do was find fault with my flawless logic? Hmph, I don't think so. Oh? And why's that? Because there is a flaw in your reasoning. Are you calling me a liar? The saying, "Evidence is everything" isn't limited to just the courtroom, you know. Hmph. You need not remind me. I'll show you all the evidence you want in time.The way forward is presenting evidence on "Besides, how, may I ask, do you propose I unlocked your door and got in here?"...or raising an objection that leads to the same thing:   Ha ha! Alright, I'll humor you. Go ahead, shoot! Silence  Wait, wait, wait. Hold on for a sec. I never laid a finger on that key, as you already know. Precisely. You were able to open my door without lifting a single finger. Well, maybe you did, but only to direct. .........!Miles Edgeworth ~ Objection! 2009  You had asked Ms. Byrde to open your own office door for you, yes? Yeah, I kind of forgot my key at home. Happens a bit too often for my taste, you know? But the room you had Ms. Byrde open at that time was not your own, was it? ! Wh-What!? You have quite the imagination. But why don't we ask the girl herself whose door she opened, shall we? Um...I'm certain that it was Mr. Portsman's door, sir.  See, Ms. Byrde backs up my story. Yet, what if you had mislead her, to fool her into thinking what you wanted? Hah! And how do you suppose I did that!? By switching the number plates on our doors, for example. That's right! They do slide out pretty easily! Furthermore, you then used one other thing to give a very strong impression that the door she was opening was yours and not, in fact, mine.  It's quite the peculiar fixture in any hallway, let alone a hallway in this building. Which is why it left an unusually strong impression on you. It's an object perfectly suited to sit just outside the office of a peculiar prosecutor. Gwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! That's very true, sir! Because there was a basketball hoop sitting there, I thought the door I was opening had to be Mr. Portsman's! To sit it in front of my office, to be sure. I...I see. So that's how you throw suspicion on people. Thanks for the tip. But I think your conjecture is a little off the race track.  Confrontation ~ Allegro 2009 Now you're just spouting nonsense. I had the girl open my office door. After that, I was in my room the entire time. You don't have a single reason to suspect me! (So he intends to claim his innocence to the end, does he?) I'm as pure and innocent as my jacket. And Ms. Byrde is as dirty and guilty as the jacket she wears. My jacket's not dirty, I'll have you know! I just washed it yesterday! Please calm down, for I intend to show who is the one truly covered in slime here.  Nonsense, you say? Yes. Because I'm telling the truth here. Using the master key, of course... Sure. You have a problem with that? That IS what the master key is for, right? (Perhaps we should place it in an elaborate labyrinth of some sort for people like you.) And what were you doing in your office? I was doing my usual training regiment. Training regiment? Were you going through your law books from start to finish? Mainly batting practice and some weights. Oh, and I jog when I get the chance. Wow, you must be the buffest prosecutor we have! ...With the weakest legal muscles, it would seem. I was doing my usual workout so... I think I've given you quite a few reasons, actually. B-But none of those would stand up on their own! Then what about all the evidence!? It's all circumstantial! No judge would convict on such flimsy evidence!I hope you don't find all these objections too objectionable.    Silence  That, was a lie. Wh-What are you talking about!? How was that a lie!? This is a note that the victim left for you, Mr. Portsman. A note? It was left under your door. Or did you not notice? And right here, it says, "but you're out." ............ You were not in your room when the victim came to call on you. So then, where were you and what were you doing? Aaaaaaaaah! Pursuit ~ Lying Coldly Shall I explain it in full detail for you? You were busy snooping around in my room, the very room you had Ms. Byrde open for you! Th-That's just nonsense! You have no evidence that I made the girl open your door for me! Oh, but I do. I have very decisive evidence! N-No way!! I had your door dusted for prints. My door? Hah, what for? Come on, I bet you didn't find anything. You sure are good at wasting time. You're right. I didn't find anything, and definitely not Ms. Byrde's fingerprints. Her prints? What do they have to do with anything? Let's put it this way. If she really was the one who opened your door, then her prints should naturally be on the doorknob she touched! Aaaack! Further, all of the prints on my office door's knob have been wiped clean off. I can only assume it's because Ms. Byrde's fingerprints were on it. Don't you think it's time you gave up your charade? We know you stole into my office with the intent of stealing something from me. And Detective Faith found you out. Possibly he heard sounds coming from a room whose occupant was on leave.  ............ As I said when you had the gun to my back, no one gets away with committing murder in my office.Silence  .........! Haaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! And just what's so funny, pal!? Well, that look of stiff seriousness on the face of this office's finest prosecutor as he makes a huge mistake in accusing me is simply too much to bear. There's just nothing else like it in the world!Suspense What!? Mr. Edgeworth just explained it all, and he even backed it up! You're the murderer! Stop trying to be slippery and just admit to the crime already! And as I said earlier, it's all so circumstantial, so full of conjecture. You say you checked my doorknob for prints? Well, I can readily confess that I had wiped that knob down well. Eh? I'm a little obsessive-compulsive, you see. I didn't want to touch a doorknob that you had touched. Which is why I wiped the knob down as soon as I could after you opened the door. After that, it makes perfect sense that only Jim's and my own prints would be on there. You! You made that up just now, didn't you! Furthermore, as for the note Jim left for me, do you know exactly when that was? For all we know, he could've left it there before I arrived at the office. Like, early evening, for example. Are you saying you failed to notice a note in your doorway? Hey, even geniuses fail at times. I was probably too preoccupied by work-related matters, although that's no excuse. Now that's just a flat-out lie! There's no way you didn't notice a note that size. Ah, but you can't prove that, can you? ............ Say something, Mr. Edgeworth! Back me up here, sir! (Nngh...Portsman makes a good point. I can't prove that he didn't simply overlook it.) Besides, I already have an airtight alibi. Airtight, you say? I only realized that I had one just now as we were talking. I guess it would've been better for all of us if I had told you sooner!  "Pulling a new evidence/alibi out of your rear end right when it looked like you were done for" must be part of Japanifornia's prosecutor education curriculum. Confrontation ~ Allegro 2009 If memory serves, you came back to this office at around 2 AM, correct? And it was then that you had that unfortunate confrontation at gunpoint with the culprit. But at exactly that time, I was down in Criminal Affairs! Ask around. I'm sure the other detectives will corroborate my story. It's the perfect alibi! Do you really think it's that perfect!? Like I said, I don't care. Ask around all you like! You'll see for yourself. .........Detective Gumshoe! Sir, yes, sir! I'll go check out his alibi, sir! Be right back!Fade out, fade in.  The guys down in Criminal Affairs said they saw him at around 2 AM! You see? ............(All of the evidence points to him being the culprit. So there must be a contradictory point in his alibi somewhere!)  You are correct; it was around 2 AM... Are you sure? It's really important to me that you're spot on with the time. I remember checking my watch then, and make no mistake, it was 2. Ooh! Giving testimony like a pro! OK, so you came back to your office at 2... It is as you say, however... Yes, however, you are the only one who claims to have bumped into the culprit. So tell me, did you see the person's face? Was it me who you saw? ...It was pitch black, so I couldn't actually see. Oh, come now. I'm sure you saw something! Try a little harder why don't you? (I'm beginning to feel like I'M the one being interrogated here...) Oh well, it doesn't matter if you remember or not. It only matters that you ran into the culprit. So you paid the Criminal Affairs Department a visit... Yup! Right after I left the Prosecutor's Building, I headed straight for the precinct. Hmm, well, we did go and ask around to confirm your testimony. And it was just as I said, right? ...Yes, sir. A number of detectives said that they saw you at around that time. See! I have the perfect alibi! That's the ace I had up my sleeve. (Argh...!)Silence  What's wrong? Why the sudden sullen look on your face? Can't you say anything back, Mr. Edgeworth!? Heh, I think we've reached the end of the line and it's time to get off this crazy train.Suspense  Officer: Sir! Please escort the young lady out. But remember, be gentle. M-Maggey!! Detective Gumshoe!!  (I need to calmly think this through one more time, and with Logic!) Logic ~ The Way To The Truth     There are only three logic pieces to work with, but we'll connect them next time.
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