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Cythereal posted:Ah, my memory was playing tricks on me then. I thought fire punch was made available in yellow. You could teach Electabuzz Fire Punch in Gen 2 and then trade it back to Gen 1, but that's a lot of work for a pokemon that still isn't very good.
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Yeah, as I recall "tradebacks" to RBY (as it was called before it became known as Gen 1) were kind of a big deal way back in the Gen 2 years, and there were "pure RBY" and "tradebacks of RBY moves assigned to RBY pokemon in GSC are cool and good" factions among players. But Fire/Ice Punch Electabuzz was never more than a novelty and still not as good as Jolteon and Zapdos, the only really playable Electric types.
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WrightOfWay posted:You could teach Electabuzz Fire Punch in Gen 2 and then trade it back to Gen 1, but that's a lot of work for a pokemon that still isn't very good. The first time I beat the elite four and rival in RBY as a kid my team included an Onix and a Butterfree I'd used my Psychic TM on. You can get by just fine with pretty much anything in RBY outside Stadium and competitive stuff. Magneton was always my favorite electric anyway, but fair's fair I never used it for anything but thunder wave and thunderbolt.
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Okay, yeah, I might just mulligan the next one and make an 'Eon team soon here, so I can actually talk about all this in an update.
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My favorite "What? Really?" from Gen 1 moves is that Charizard couldn't Fly in Red and Blue. It doesn't make any sense to me.
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SonicRulez posted:My favorite "What? Really?" from Gen 1 moves is that Charizard couldn't Fly in Red and Blue. It doesn't make any sense to me. He should also be able to do Flash, but you don't want more than half of your starter's moveset to be undeleteable HM moves
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The Door Frame posted:but you don't want more than half of your starter's moveset to be undeleteable HM moves I probably could've used that advice in Gen 2. I thought a moveset of Waterfall/Surf/Whirlpool/Strength for an overleveled Feraligatr was a good idea at the time.
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flarp22 posted:I probably could've used that advice in Gen 2. I thought a moveset of Waterfall/Surf/Whirlpool/Strength for an overleveled Feraligatr was a good idea at the time. Same here, but with Cut instead of Strength.
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flarp22 posted:I probably could've used that advice in Gen 2. I thought a moveset of Waterfall/Surf/Whirlpool/Strength for an overleveled Feraligatr was a good idea at the time.
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I always just had a Clefairy or something that I never used in battle but taught the useless HMs to. Fly is also a perfectly usable attack in RBY where AI trainers are too stupid to switch to a type advantage during the warmup turn Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jul 6, 2018 |
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Jul 6, 2018 14:42
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Eric the Mauve posted:AI trainers are too stupid to switch to a type advantage during the warmup turn
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PMush Perfect posted:This is deliberately still true for most npcs if memory serves. Serves correctly, I think even in the battle <thing> NPC will not always switch during a two turn attack.
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Arcade Rabbit posted:Jolteon was actually super good back then! Partially because he was the best electric type not named Zapdos, but also because he was the best user of Pin Missile. Which is quite possibly the saddest thing I've ever said about Gen 1, but there you go. "Back then?" Excuse you, I still use a Jolteon in my main competitive team today. Are there better electric types? Sure. You try telling that to my boy Tesla Coil's face. He is a good dog.
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Silver Falcon posted:"Back then?" Excuse you, I still use a Jolteon in my main competitive team today. Are there better electric types? Sure. You try telling that to my boy Tesla Coil's face. He is a good dog. Dog? The eveelutions are clearly rabbit-foxes.
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Bruceski posted:Dog? The eveelutions are clearly rabbit-foxes. Foxes are canines, brosef.
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Jul 7, 2018 03:32
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Leech life getting super buffed in sun/moon is probably because it's called "blood suck" in Japanese and is basically a signature move for Buzzwole. I mean I don't know why they didn't just make a NEW more powerful physical draining big move (like, super blood suck) but I'm not complaining I guess.
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Kind of a pity that despite being super buffed there isn't much that can use it since most of the Pokemon that learn it are either the fast and frail type or special attackers.,
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I'll be trying to hammer out an update tonight or tomorrow. Shadowrun Hong Kong has sucked me back in, hence the delays.
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Bruceski posted:Dog? The eveelutions are clearly rabbit-foxes. Eveelutions are cats. Espeon's even a Nekomata.
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all pokemon are good dogs some professor named after a tree said so
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What if the tree is actually named after the professor? Makes you think.
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Eevees are just kind of, well, eevees
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There should be a Professor Sudowoodo that turns out to be three meowths in a trenchcoat
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Dr Pepper posted:Kind of a pity that despite being super buffed there isn't much that can use it since most of the Pokemon that learn it are either the fast and frail type or special attackers., Araquanid uses it for the very few instances you don't want to just use Liquidation 
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chiasaur11 posted:I think Iwata programmed the combat system in that one without access to the raw data from Gamefreak in a week. What's really neat is that that's not even Iwata's greatest feat of programming. Hell, it's not even his greatest feat of programming connected to the Pokemon franchise. He designed the compression algorithm that allowed Gen II to not only be vastly larger than Gen I (a game so large that it took up the entire cartridge without room for any form of sanity check in the programming, which is why all those wonderful bugs are possible), but to then cram most of Kanto into the remaining space. To this day, nobody knows how he did it (or if they do, they're not telling). He also rewrote Earthbound's code from the ground up, implemented parallax scrolling on the NES, and served as a one-man bugfix team on SSB Melee to ensure it made its launch date. And that's not counting his normal work, producing or programming for a massive swath of Nintendo's library throughout the eighties and nineties. It's a shame it took until he was appointed president for the world at large to notice him, he'd been one of the company's greatest assets for years. Back to more pertinent matters, am I the only person who just put the Stadium games down and stopped playing them once it was obvious they were way too hard and designed to be frustrating?
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Silver Falcon posted:"Back then?" Excuse you, I still use a Jolteon in my main competitive team today. Are there better electric types? Sure. You try telling that to my boy Tesla Coil's face. He is a good dog. um excuse me but eevees are obviously cats because otherwise my gimmick team is stuck at five members without doubling up on a type My current (  ) electric coverage in my Black 2 playthroughs (I don't have anything newer, and haven't heard enough about what's coming to Switch to have any hype) is Galvantula and Eelektross, but Luxray is the best electric catdog.
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EclecticTastes posted:What's really neat is that that's not even Iwata's greatest feat of programming. Hell, it's not even his greatest feat of programming connected to the Pokemon franchise. He designed the compression algorithm that allowed Gen II to not only be vastly larger than Gen I (a game so large that it took up the entire cartridge without room for any form of sanity check in the programming, which is why all those wonderful bugs are possible), but to then cram most of Kanto into the remaining space. To this day, nobody knows how he did it (or if they do, they're not telling). He also rewrote Earthbound's code from the ground up, implemented parallax scrolling on the NES, and served as a one-man bugfix team on SSB Melee to ensure it made its launch date. quote:Back to more pertinent matters, am I the only person who just put the Stadium games down and stopped playing them once it was obvious they were way too hard and designed to be frustrating? There's a reason the only thing people seem to care about in these games are the minigames and maybe gym leader castle
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But drat are those mini-games fun.
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EclecticTastes posted:Back to more pertinent matters, am I the only person who just put the Stadium games down and stopped playing them once it was obvious they were way too hard and designed to be frustrating? Hello! Welcome to the world of Pokemon!
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Ephraim225 posted:Hello! Welcome to the world of Pokemon! I'm not sure what you mean, every other Pokemon game is both good and with rare exceptions somewhat on the easy side once one has a little experience. The Stadium games are easily the worst-designed Pokemon games that utilize the main games' core mechanics (the only worse spin-offs are from those weird side series that don't involve normal Pokemon battles, or borderline-shovelware like Pokemon Channel).
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rannum posted:There's a reason the only thing people seem to care about in these games are the minigames and maybe gym leader castle Dont forget the game boy tower. This game came out at a time when emulation wasn't big yet, so being able to play pokemon on the big screen, with speed up buttons no less, was a big deal.
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EclecticTastes posted:I'm not sure what you mean, every other Pokemon game is both good and with rare exceptions somewhat on the easy side once one has a little experience. The Stadium games are easily the worst-designed Pokemon games that utilize the main games' core mechanics (the only worse spin-offs are from those weird side series that don't involve normal Pokemon battles, or borderline-shovelware like Pokemon Channel). Nah, I disagree. Stadium is definitely meant to make you buy the normal games if you want to clear it, but it's pretty competently done as a high-level challenge. It has its share of unfair stuff, but I wouldn't put it on the same level as "bullshit hard" as, say, most Battle Frontier facilities, and the minigames alone put it far above its successor Pokemon Battle Revolution, not to mention having an actual rental system instead of PBR's heavily limited mess. It's also far better than the F2P poo poo Pokemon has pushed out for a while now simply because it isn't F2P.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Nah, I disagree. Stadium is definitely meant to make you buy the normal games if you want to clear it, but it's pretty competently done as a high-level challenge. It has its share of unfair stuff, but I wouldn't put it on the same level as "bullshit hard" as, say, most Battle Frontier facilities, and the minigames alone put it far above its successor Pokemon Battle Revolution, not to mention having an actual rental system instead of PBR's heavily limited mess. Admittedly, I was about ten when I played Pokemon Stadium, so I might be biased. Also, Pokemon Go got people to actually go outside and walk around in droves, that alone marks it as a greater force for good in the world than like 90% of all video games.
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Nobody has gotten mugged because of pokemon stadium, making it a better game than go
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Beating Stadium with rentals was definitely not intended to be possible, especially not Round 2. So in that sense, it's worse than free-to-play, it's fee-to-pay. Don't get me wrong, I love this game, I wouldn't be playing it otherwise, but it is absolutely a $60 advertisement/preview for the mainline games with some bells and whistles.
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EclecticTastes posted:Admittedly, I was about ten when I played Pokemon Stadium, so I might be biased.
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Commander Keene posted:Admittedly I haven't looked up any statistics, but I'm pretty sure that Pokemon Stadium has caused fewer car accidents. Video games don't cause car accidents or muggings, we covered all this back when Jack Thompson was still a thing. People being lovely and/or irresponsible is their own fault. Why do I even need to say this?
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PMush Perfect posted:Beating Stadium with rentals was definitely not intended to be possible, especially not Round 2. So in that sense, it's worse than free-to-play, it's fee-to-pay. Don't get me wrong, I love this game, I wouldn't be playing it otherwise, but it is absolutely a $60 advertisement/preview for the mainline games with some bells and whistles. Hey come to think of it didn't this originally come with the Transfer Pak needed in the first place? If so I think Stadium was more intended for people who already owned the games. Love Pokemon? Love battling? Own an N64? If yes, yes, and yes, buy this thing!
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Ephraim225 posted:Hey come to think of it didn't this originally come with the Transfer Pak needed in the first place? If so I think Stadium was more intended for people who already owned the games. Love Pokemon? Love battling? Own an N64? If yes, yes, and yes, buy this thing! This is completely true. Pokemon was such a massive phenomenon that Nintendo made not one, but two games that relied pretty much entirely on other games having a massive enough installed user base to sell copies. Pokemon Stadium is, to my knowledge, the only game ever to attempt that strategy and have it pay off, because that's just how big Pokemon was between Gen I and II. Pokemon is still ubiquitous, but something like Stadium wouldn't work again, as evidenced by Battle Revolution being a conclusive failure (Colosseum wisely included story modes that functioned as miniature versions of mainline games, so the player didn't need any other games to make their own team, variety notwithstanding).
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EclecticTastes posted:This is completely true. Pokemon was such a massive phenomenon that Nintendo made not one, but two games that relied pretty much entirely on other games having a massive enough installed user base to sell copies. Pokemon Stadium is, to my knowledge, the only game ever to attempt that strategy and have it pay off, because that's just how big Pokemon was between Gen I and II. Pokemon is still ubiquitous, but something like Stadium wouldn't work again, as evidenced by Battle Revolution being a conclusive failure (Colosseum wisely included story modes that functioned as miniature versions of mainline games, so the player didn't need any other games to make their own team, variety notwithstanding). Battle Revolution's final release being considerably stripped down compared to what had been demoed sure as hell didn't help either.
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