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PMush Perfect posted:Technician...?  Abilities weren't a thing until Gen 3.
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rannum posted:it certainly gives these gens some...ah..."charm" when you see how weird the movesets were, i suppose Flareon is an attack-based eveelution. Until gen 4 all fire attacks were special. The poor little fire bunny wasn't alone in this handicap, but even after the split its physical attacks (bite and fire fang) weren't gained until 29 and *43* respectively and the TM options weren't much better. It wasn't until BW2 that those got bumped down to the much more reasonable mid-teens.
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Noted for future reference! Cythereal posted:Is this on youtube somewhere? That's a legitimately impressive feat. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/121676798
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PMush Perfect posted:I know, I'm just saying, the buff to 75 BP actually hurt it because then it was too strong for Technician. Even in Sun and Moon there are only two fully evolved special attackers with Technician and of those only Roserade gets (and would like to use) Giga Drain. Way more pokemon appreciate having a decently powerful grass move with a useful secondary effect than would have preferred Giga Drain remained 60 power.
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Cythereal posted:Is this on youtube somewhere? That's a legitimately impressive feat. This is it, I believe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN9QeoM4eE0 I know I could never keep that up for 20 hours. I already get tired after losing an hour to a single cup.
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alternatively, if you don't want to watch 20 hours, you can watch the TAS version instead as it only takes a little over an hour to humiliate all of the gym leaders  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esrM4vcRfNoalso you could make a very scary drinking game with how many times the announcer uses the word "go"
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It's even more impractical to do than speedrunning from a fresh file to Mewtwo round 2, but I did always wonder what the fastest route would be to both do that and get all Pokes into the Hall of Fame along the way. I forget how many cups you'd have to redo. I suppose you can get 30 unique pokes into the Hall of fame per Round? (24 from the 4 cups and 8 from gym leader castle?) Then I guess you'd get the remaining 91 in from grinding the elite 4 in Round1? Now that I've thought about it, never mind that idea is terrible unless I'm missing something. I notice during Brocks fight his name is pink. Does that mean one of his pokes is technically illegal too?
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Omnicrom posted:Yeah, when Twineedle has the highest base power of all Bug Moves at a whopping 25 there's a problem. It's amazing it took until Gen 4 for Bug to something as simple as Bug Bite, IE a common and decently strong Bug attack. And then Gen 7 happened Leech life's base power in generations 1-6: 20 Leech life's base power in Generation 7: 80.
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Jul 2, 2018 14:58
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Kurieg posted:And then Gen 7 happened
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MagusofStars posted:Did they cut back on Zubat spam? Because that just sounds miserable to deal with 80 Power self-healing every 8 steps or whatever. Pretty much everything that learned Leech Seed learns Absorb at that level instead.
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MagusofStars posted:Did they cut back on Zubat spam? Because that just sounds miserable to deal with 80 Power self-healing every 8 steps or whatever. They either removed it from most pokemon's learnpools, or moved it's learn level up to 30+ Then made it a TM for the player that's available at around~28.
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Jul 2, 2018 15:07
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Kurieg posted:They either removed it from most pokemon's learnpools, or moved it's learn level up to 30+ I was pretty confused when I saw that TM and that
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Jul 2, 2018 15:59
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Aces High posted:alternatively, if you don't want to watch 20 hours, you can watch the TAS version instead as it only takes a little over an hour to humiliate all of the gym leaders That Diglett is amazing.
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Aces High posted:alternatively, if you don't want to watch 20 hours, you can watch the TAS version instead as it only takes a little over an hour to humiliate all of the gym leaders a mighty blow on the word go taken down on the word go! this is a wild one from the word go
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Ephraim225 posted:This is it, I believe: Neat, something to have on in the background while I work on stuff for the next week or so. The talk about old-style crit rules does make me nostalgic for RBY as a kid, though. The powerhouse of my first successful team as a kid was Persian. It doesn't sound like much now, but back then STAB slashes on a critter with respectable attack that combined with slash's natural crit bonus and Persian's terrific speed made it crit like a maniac and do significant amounts of damage. Bit of a one-trick pony, as even back then Persian had little else to its name, but it was a very good trick for good and consistent damage output. GSC gutted poor Persian and I never looked back.
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Jul 2, 2018 17:58
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You could also open with Payday if you wanted to be a greedy little goof.
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PMush Perfect posted:You could also open with Payday if you wanted to be a greedy little goof. I had that for grinding money off wild critters, yeah, but Persian with slash was a fine damage machine with only two types it wasn't good against, neither of them common and both easily countered by other teammates. Persian's what I beat Lance with, since idiot kid me gave ice beam to something that didn't have STAB and a mediocre special stat. Coincidentally, I wasted the psychic TM the same way.
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When Yellow was released on the 3ds, I played through again and lucked in to catching a Scyther in the Safari Zone. That was probably the easiest battle with Sabrina I've ever had.
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Arcade Rabbit posted:When Yellow was released on the 3ds, I played through again and lucked in to catching a Scyther in the Safari Zone. That was probably the easiest battle with Sabrina I've ever had. It's Yellow Sabrina and you needed Scyther to make it easy?
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Ephraim225 posted:It's Yellow Sabrina and you needed Scyther to make it easy? Hey man level 50 Alakazam is no joke when you're 6.
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50? That's Elite 4 level from the original games. What, did they get their level boosted too? I never owned Yellow.
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Abra, Kadabra, and Alakazam, all level 50. Both Kadabra and Alakazam have Recover and Psychic, and Alakazam has Reflect, too. She's no joke.
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PMush Perfect posted:Abra, Kadabra, and Alakazam, all level 50. Both Kadabra and Alakazam have Recover and Psychic, and Alakazam has Reflect, too. Now where'd I put my snorlax with earthquake...
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PMush Perfect posted:Abra, Kadabra, and Alakazam, all level 50. Both Kadabra and Alakazam have Recover and Psychic, and Alakazam has Reflect, too. I don't remember Yellow being hard mode, that sounds like it would be her team in Gold and Silver
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I don't understand why Koga and Sabrina are 10 levels higher than Erika, then Blaine is only 4 levels higher than them, they seem to just make up poo poo towards the end of that game, since Koga doesn't have a Golbat, even though the anime was at that point during development, so it can't be excused like Blaine not having Magmar.
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Jul 5, 2018 22:13
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Given that Abra's a gimmee, Sabrina functionally only has two Pokemon. The fear would just be Alakazam soloing your team at that point.
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Not implausible!
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PMush Perfect posted:Not implausible! Yellow was heavily based on the anime, and Sabrina is one of the gym leaders Ash flat out didn't beat.
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Will the original, Japan-only Pokémon Stadium be discussed? It was an incredibly limited game, with only 42 Pokémon actually playable. The Pokémon eligible were based off which ones were popular in official tournaments, which cracks me up. Gen 1 was so rough and poorly realized that making the entire game revolve around competitive play seems ridiculous. This version has so much more to offer that it's not even funny. By including all Pokémon, including unevolved Pokémon and adding minigames, they gave it a lot more meat. Forsythia fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jul 5, 2018 |
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Ephraim225 posted:It's Yellow Sabrina and you needed Scyther to make it easy? At this point, probably not, I meant more that Scyther made it easier. As a kid, I had no idea how these games worked under the trunk, especially since the anime flat out lies to you about Ghosts being effective against her. Lousy GBC programming held together with chewing gum and prayer. Getting Scyther and running her Alakazam over was more like catharsis at that point. My original plan was Dodrio and Dugtrio for similar speed related shenanigans. I wish, as a kid, I knew half the stuff about Gen 1 that I do now. It is a miracle those little cartridges worked as well as they did.
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Mizuti posted:Will the original, Japan-only Pokémon Stadium be discussed? It was an incredibly limited game, with only 42 Pokémon actually playable. The Pokémon eligible were based off which ones were popular in official tournaments, which cracks me up. Gen 1 was so rough and poorly realized that making the entire game revolve around competitive play seems ridiculous.
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Arcade Rabbit posted:At this point, probably not, I meant more that Scyther made it easier. As a kid, I had no idea how these games worked under the trunk, especially since the anime flat out lies to you about Ghosts being effective against her. Lousy GBC programming held together with chewing gum and prayer. Getting Scyther and running her Alakazam over was more like catharsis at that point. My original plan was Dodrio and Dugtrio for similar speed related shenanigans. Yeah for real. I did something similar with Blue version on 3DS. I put together Team Break the Game: Venusaur for Leech Seed and Toxic stacking Persian for ALL THE CRITS Slowbro with Amnesia because ahahahaa Tauros for Hyper Beam and general awesomeness Jolteon because gently caress you I like Jolteon. Also crits for days Dragonite with Thunderwave and Wrap And of course I abused the MissingNo glitch to get infinite TMs. I beat the Elite Four somewhere around high 30s. Lowest level I have ever beaten the game with. I just steam rolled 'em. I wish I had some way to connect that with Pokemon Stadium because I would love to stomp all over the Gym Leader Castle and such with that crew.
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PMush Perfect posted:That is pretty much everything about Pocket Monsters Stadium worth discussing. I think Iwata programmed the combat system in that one without access to the raw data from Gamefreak in a week. So, that's kind of neat.
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Silver Falcon posted:
Jolteon was actually super good back then! Partially because he was the best electric type not named Zapdos, but also because he was the best user of Pin Missile. Which is quite possibly the saddest thing I've ever said about Gen 1, but there you go.
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Arcade Rabbit posted:Jolteon was actually super good back then! Partially because he was the best electric type not named Zapdos, but also because he was the best user of Pin Missile. Which is quite possibly the saddest thing I've ever said about Gen 1, but there you go. Ahem, Electabuzz with fire punch.
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Electabuzz was great in Crystal, because you could hatch one from the Odd Egg you get and then buy Fire Punch and/or Ice Punch from the Goldenrod Department Store.
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Cythereal posted:Ahem, Electabuzz with fire punch. Electabuzz couldn't learn Fire Punch back in Gen 1, because Gen 1 was allergic to good move sets unless you were a Psychic or Normal type. Fire Punch was made a TM in Gen 2, and Elekid was available early in Crystal if you were lucky. In which case, hell yeah Punch Tiger! Throw Ice Punch on too, because why not?
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Arcade Rabbit posted:Electabuzz couldn't learn Fire Punch back in Gen 1, because Gen 1 was allergic to good move sets unless you were a Psychic or Normal type. Fire Punch was made a TM in Gen 2, and Elekid was available early in Crystal if you were lucky. In which case, hell yeah Punch Tiger! Throw Ice Punch on too, because why not? Ah, my memory was playing tricks on me then. I thought fire punch was made available in yellow.
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