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Here's another bit of election drama that I was only able to put together recently: https://www.rappler.com/nation/elec...ct-moral-fiber/ There's a case with the Commission on Elections to disqualify Marcos. There was an earlier one that was already dismissed, but that one was about cancelling his certificate-of-candidacy (ergo, he wouldn't be running at all, rather than being disqualified from the race). The ruling for the case should have come out at least one week ago. COMELEC still hasn't released the ruling yet. Rowena Guanzon, one of COMELEC commissioners, made a public statement that she ruled against Marcos in the case, and that there are certain forces within COMELEC that are trying to delay the relase of the ruling. Certain figures, mostly from the right, have tried to shut her up by alleging that she's broken some kind of law by releasing her own individual ruling ahead of everyone else, but it seems like the reason she's doing that is to cause enough of a ruckus to force COMELEC's hand to come out with the full decision. At first I wasn't paying attention to the issue because I figured that they wouldn't disqualify Marcos, but as it dragged out over multiple days, it got more peculiar: - if the ruling was in Marcos's favor, COMELEC would have no reason to delay the release of the decision. - if the ruling would disqualify Marcos, why is Guanzon the only person to be speaking out? As it turns out, what might be happening is that Guanzon, and two more commissioners out of a total of seven, are set to have their terms of office expire on February 2, 2022, and the rest of the presumably pro-Marcos commissioners are deliberately sand-bagging the release of the decision to at least the 3rd, and then they're going to decree that Guanzon's decision no longer counts, because she's no longer in office, and that this might cause the vote count to go from disqualification, to exoneration. I only bring this up because it seems like the kind of thing that you could call in advance (and I'd like to see if I'm eventually proven correct), while also being a darkly funny example of how far you can manipulate the rules to engineer a certain outcome. It would be a lot more boring (but also unsurprising) if the pro-disqualification side was in the minority all along and Guanzon was just trying to get an RBG-level dissent out.
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 gradenko_2000 posted:As it turns out, what might be happening is that Guanzon, and two more commissioners out of a total of seven, are set to have their terms of office expire on February 2, 2022, and the rest of the presumably pro-Marcos commissioners are deliberately sand-bagging the release of the decision to at least the 3rd, and then they're going to decree that Guanzon's decision no longer counts, because she's no longer in office, and that this might cause the vote count to go from disqualification, to exoneration. it's been more than a week so I guess they're just not going to release the decision at all!!! also a simple solution to their problem!
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Feb 10, 2022 07:29
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Wasn't ka leody at 0.005%last time? He's improved!
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gradenko_2000 posted:I only bring this up because it seems like the kind of thing that you could call in advance (and I'd like to see if I'm eventually proven correct), while also being a darkly funny example of how far you can manipulate the rules to engineer a certain outcome. It would be a lot more boring (but also unsurprising) if the pro-disqualification side was in the minority all along and Guanzon was just trying to get an RBG-level dissent out. gradenko_2000 posted:it's been more than a week so I guess they're just not going to release the decision at all!!! also a simple solution to their problem! https://twitter.com/newsdwight/status/1491726116394274818 lol
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Ka Leody did an interview with jacobin a few days ago. https://jacobinmag.com/2022/03/duterte-marcos-dictatorship-philippines-presidential-election-socialists quote:AB
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Initiative Their reliance on using the People's Initiative to get the things they wanted passed seems to be the lynchpin of their ideas. It'd probably work in a world where they had an actual chance of winning, but in that world they'd also have a congress that'd actually have enough people of their party to not rely on that special law. This also doesn't get into the possibility Supreme Court also just tanking any proposal. But this is a puff piece to try and advertise their campaign and not something deeper or more serious.
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yeah the People's Initiative has never really been tried so it's right to be somewhat doubtful of whether it'll work, but you can't say that out loud, so it's at least a nice rhetorical fallback to the question of "how do you get poo poo done without a friendly Congress?" that's a drat sight better than, say, an American candidate saying "I'll know how to strike a deal with the conservatives"
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Philippines election update:  as a refresher, Marcos Jr is the right-wing son of the former dictator Robredo is the Liberal Party candidate Domagoso (mayor of the city of Manila), Pacquiao (the boxer) and Lacson (former police chief) are various right-of-center also-rans Robredo's gain of nine points corresponds about precisely to losses from Marcos, Domagoso, Pacquiao, and among the undecided that said, she's still down by 32 points for a poll taken 49 days before the election a quick comparison with in 2016: Robredo won 35.11% of the vote. She's underperforming that by 11 points according to this latest poll Marcos Jr won 34.77% of the vote. He's overperforming that by 22 points [other candidates] won 30.12% of the vote. [Other candidates] are only taking up 20% of the vote this year
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With the election less than a week away I'm debating if its worth risking covid to do my token vote for a socialist candidate. I know its gone down but i'll be voting in metro manila. Any senators people wanna endorse? I'm pretty sure I won't reach 12 with myself.
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Polgas posted:With the election less than a week away I'm debating if its worth risking covid to do my token vote for a socialist candidate. I know its gone down but i'll be voting in metro manila. I'm gonna be voting. Wear an N95, but I wouldn't feel too bad about bailing if it's gonna be packed in your precinct. my senate shortlist is: 4 Baguilat, Teddy 12 Cabonegro, Roy 16 Colmenares, Neri 17 D'Angelo, David 18 De Lima, Leila 21 Diokno, Chel 26 Espiritu, Luke 34 Hontiveros, Risa 37 Labog, Elmer 45 Matula, Sonny 63 Zubiaga, Carmen that's only eleven, but I can't think of anyone else that I could stand voting for and my party-list vote is going to 141 BAYAN MUNA
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How's D'Angelo? I've heard that the, uh, cosplay community has been speaking up about him not being a good person.
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Argue posted:How's D'Angelo? I've heard that the, uh, cosplay community has been speaking up about him not being a good person. I saw that. I couldn't bring myself to care.
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I was thinking of voting for some other small time party list with similar to the makabayan bloc in politics in the hopes they get a seat. Do any of the makabayan parties need the extra votes for their seat?
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https://twitter.com/_datajunkie/status/1521025504781950976?t=5wF-W6eO7cxoKxgkUT0lQw&s=19 Looks like Kabataan is the closest one that could use the votes
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Argue posted:How's D'Angelo? I've heard that the, uh, cosplay community has been speaking up about him not being a good person. What's the controversy?
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Misappropriated funds for a cosplay thing he used to run, and multiple testimonials of verbal abuse. I haven't read much further than the initial batch of accusations I saw though.
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Man, I can't fathom the minds of vocally anti-BBM people who are also on their sixth year of being vocally pro-Duterte. As if Duterte didn't spend a good deal of time helping him whitewash his father's history and expressing admiration for the fuckhead.
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my aunt and uncle went to vote today and they said that the ballots they were given were prefilled for BBM. Then when they went to complain, they were told “baka kayo nag shade.” They hadn’t been even given pens at that point.
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It's 10:04 AM local time as I write this, and I've been in line to vote for about half an hour now. I have not encountered or seen anything anomalous so far, though my voting precinct is in a relatively affluent part of town so that might be a factor. My anecdotal observation is that turnout is way up compared to 2016 and 2019.
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It is now 1:41 PM as I write this, and I am still in line to vote. Getting closer though!
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gradenko_2000 posted:It is now 1:41 PM as I write this, and I am still in line to vote. Getting closer though! https://twitter.com/Alyssa_Milano/status/1323785815613427712
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May 9, 2022 07:01
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Going out to vote; Marcos is gonna win and I'm probably gonna win myself a round of the 'ronus for my trouble.
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May 9, 2022 07:08
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I did finally finish by 2:22 PM, so a little short of five hours
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Cool a celeb cut the queue, in and out in a few minutes. But not before making a long drawn out show of it for the film crew he had with him Edit: done, two hours total. Time to rest and give the covid u probably picked up the time it needs to incubate in peace Argue has issued a correction as of 09:58 on May 9, 2022 |
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I decided not to go. Woke up at 5 and backed out at the last minute.
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Polgas posted:I decided not to go. Woke up at 5 and backed out at the last minute. Jesus loving christ you had the right idea
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https://www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097540994/voters-in-the-philippines-stream-to-the-polls-to-choose-a-new-presidentquote:MCCARTHY: And, you know, Marcos' pursuit of the presidency was a family affair to fully restore their once disgraced dynasty to power.
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"non English language spoken". Not like there's 150 million people who could translate it
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Isentropy posted:"non English language spoken". Not like there's 150 million people who could translate it Its translated in the paragraph below
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quote:Time to loving wake up and touch grass for once. It doesn't have any potential at all. IT DOESN'T WORK. the Philippines does not deserve radical love. quote:It's much better to see people suffering because of the consequences of their vote than seeing people take advantage the goodness of people, all while asking for their help because of the consequences of their vote. quote:There will no longer be any elections. The Philippines has past the need for an opposition. Let us all watch this country either burn or prosper with the blood of their hands and the leaders they chose. At least in every 1 Leni supporter that suffers, 2 BBM supporters will go down with them. A net win if you will. quote:I don't care if you will choose to get abused again and continue to help those snakes. Snakes that bite the hand that feeds them. Multiple times. I think both the snake and the caregiver are idiots. Why would the snake continue to bite the hand that gives it it's basic needs? Why would the caregiver continue to give the ungrateful snake food? quote:Why the gently caress would we care if we get called elitists or not when in the entire 6 years of us giving them the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT all they do is invalidate and red-tag the very same people that help them? They will call you elitist whatever you do. quote:You didn't listen to us and now it's our fault? Sons of loving bitches all of you. Get out with your gaslighting techniques. You only have yourselves to blame if you keep trying to help these people. Let's see where it gets you. Lol the election is driving people insane
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gradenko_2000 posted:Lol the election is driving people insane
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gradenko_2000 posted:Lol the election is driving people insane Do they have reason to worry about this? I'm seeing a lot of "Ok we should protest about this and we're in fear, but if you judge this as a foreigner you're, by doing this, being neocolonialist" which sure reminds me a bit on how some press junkets here sold Bolsonaro's victory.
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I figure the new normal will be the Marcos-Duterte alliance until it splinters into rival camps when the Duterte side decides they're strong enough to be in the driver seat of the alliance.
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TenementFunster posted:it's very funny that they elected the son of the marital law death squad guy who also stole billions from the country. cucked nation. Truly American in spirit
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Did some reading on the early communist in the Philippines by Jim richardson. I don't really know who this guy is but he seems to have written a lot about early philippine history. Knew some bits and pieces but its nice to have it compiled all together. Turns out historiography of the early part of the movement has too many cold war brainworms. The initial works were by a cold warrior that explicitly said this was to help fight communism and wrote it in the vein of moscow being the puppet master while the next was by a filipino who portrayed the huk rebellion and the previous decades of build up as a millenarian movement that wants revolutionary change but isn't connected to communism for reasons and that the party didn't have any help at all setting up from foreigners. The pre-communist politics in the country revolved around wanting independence and suborning all other interest. With the elites having control over the movement it was one of the ways they made the workers fall in line. The AFL from the americans were among the first to organize the urban workers and aided in the status quo by telling them to concentrate on economics like wages and not on politics. There were a bunch of attempts at spreading communism to the point you could point at them and say they're a communist party but it took a lot of work. The october revolution of course helped and the comintern were sending members to east and south east asia to begin creating parties however they were short staffed so the philippines got left on the back burner. A second attempt came from an american communist as part of a general trend of communist from the metropole going to their colonies to spread communism. This is where the meeting at canton attended by filipino trade unionist originated from that you'd read about from most articles that talk about this period. The american found some people interested and brought them over to the big communism meeting at canton. The problem was that none of the people who went there were dedicated communist so it really didn't have an impact. Right now there is already a worker's party but its a very big tent and still mostly adhering to the usual politics of collaborating with the elites for concessions and in the name of national unity for independence. Anyway this american guy went back home because his party said his trip was too expensive and they can't afford him staying in the country to help with party building. The third and successful attempt was from indonesian communist. Initially one of them was supposed to do some exile work at china but he didn't know the language and the climate made him sick so he tried his luck in the philippines. He eventually got deported but managed to convince the party to adopt an actual communist framework. The classics like elites are compradors, nationalization of land and down with imperialism etc. Funny thing about the deportation, the local elites were defending him because he posed as just an indonesian nationalist and the police accused him of being a communist but didn't do any investigation and just made up stuff so it looked like they were faking it when an actual investigation would reveal he was very red. If you compared the party platforms of the communist in the philippines and indonesia at that time you'll see a lot of similarities. The event that finally pushed more radical politics is that there is a semi annual practice of philippine politicians going to the usa to advocate for immediate independence and one of the politicians who went there looking to get an advantage on the coming election leaked what really was going on. People like quezon and osmena the leading politicians of their day were coordinating with the americans to delay independence and instead the commonwealth plan was their goal and they said they would cooperate with governor wood who everyone hated and the politicians publicly were trying to replace. Historically, this is why in philippine history there is a commonwealth period during the american colonial period. Also the large amount of money being effectively spent to send them and their families on paid vacations to the usa didn't help. Anyway people got mad and people in the party gave communism a shot. The book has some more interesting tidbits like quezon and his nationalist party being really good at co opting worker movements. Its accepted practice that only the elites could lead because workers are stupid but quezon was flexible enough to occasionally let worker leaders rise high into his patronage network.
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Polgas posted:Did some reading on the early communist in the Philippines by Jim richardson. I don't really know who this guy is but he seems to have written a lot about early philippine history. great post, thanks for sharing
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