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avshalemon: Jun 28, 2018

i look forward to receiving my flashing red bicycle helmet that alerts everyone around me to the presence of an unemployed

# ? Jul 2, 2018 03:00

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# ? May 16, 2024 13:38

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

Centrelink thought I'd reported income incorrectly so sent a letter demanding I report it all again, so I went into a Centrelink office to tell them their sum was correct. No you can't hand it in at a Centrelink office, no you can't just email it to us, sorry we're having difficulty taking down your spreadsheet over the phone, no you can't sign up for the online reporting if you don't have a driver's licence or passport, you're going to have to go into a Centrelink office

I hand copied a spreadsheet because I don't have a printer and took it in a couple of months ago but they haven't bothered getting back to me

# ? Jul 2, 2018 03:15

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Imagine how garbage you have to be to have people rallying behind Sarah Hanson young against you, Jesus

# ? Jul 2, 2018 03:22

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

The parliament needs a total top to bottom overhaul when it comes to operations. So much of the system is predicated on gentlemanly politeness that simply doesn't exist and it needs to set the benchmark for people's workplace behaviour nationally in the same way the government agencies purport to be benchmark employers when it comes to their conditions.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 03:26

Konomex: Oct 25, 2010; a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

Anidav posted:

JOB snobs and bludgers who refuse to apply for work will have amber and red traffic light colours flash on their phones to warn they are about to lose their welfare payments.

In a major shake-up starting today, jobseekers face a demerit point system which is supported by a new Job Seeker app. It will provide constant reminders about meeting their obligations. The dashboard will use strong visual and written warnings.

The no-more excuses plan, will use traffic light colours to show whether the job seeker is in the green (fully compliant) zone; the amber (warning) zone; or red (penalty) zone.

Under the new system, if job seekers fail to attend interviews or apply for a required number of jobs, they will likely lose their Newstart payment. It will be reinstated once obligations are met.

If they have no reasonable excuse for failing to meet requirements, a demerit point will be added to their record.

If five demerit points are clocked up within six months, backpay will be withheld, even if they turn-up for interviews or apply for work.

If requirements are met for three months, demerit points will return to zero.

The amber indicator will show demerit points and how far to go to the red or penalty zone. Serious failures such as blatantly refusing to work, means immediate loss of payment for four weeks.

The system will be managed by jobseekers, who will self-report and confirm they have met their requirements, and overseen by job active provider.

Jobs Minister Michaelia Cash said the system was designed to make the process of finding a job easier.

“The new framework is fairer because it recognises that the majority of job seekers do the right thing and should therefore not receive financial penalties,’’ Senator Cash said.

“It will, however, penalise those who exploit the welfare system by wilfully and repeatedly gaming the rules in order to receive income support payments. This system will reinforce the rights and obligations of both government and those seeking assistance.”

If I ever lost my job and was forced into unemployment and spent months upon months being squeezed through a lovely jobseeker process and then they forced my phone to flash red because I couldn't attend an appointment I think I'd turn to crime.

First would be systematically robbing job seeking agencies, not starting with my own of course, with a side of arson. Then I'd branch out into some sort of organised crime, get myself some compatriots.

And I wouldn't feel bad about it.

I'm really glad I've got a good profession in a recession proof industry with a strong union.

Why do rich people think forcing people to jump through hoops to get poverty level payments is a smart idea? I realise they think being poor is some sort of moral failure, but isn't it smarter to feed the wolves and domesticate them then let them roam free and hungry?

# ? Jul 2, 2018 03:51

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Konomex posted:

If I ever lost my job and was forced into unemployment and spent months upon months being squeezed through a lovely jobseeker process and then they forced my phone to flash red because I couldn't attend an appointment I think I'd turn to crime.

Regular people thrust into this sort of thing will more likely get depression and kill themselves.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 03:57

racing identity: Apr 5, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

Konomex posted:

Do rich people think forcing people to jump through hoops to get poverty level payments is a smart idea? I realise they think being poor is some sort of moral failure, but isn't it smarter to feed the wolves and domesticate them then let them roam free and hungry?

Yes, but the "wolves" in this case are old people who won't vote for you if you are not punishing people hard enough for being poor

# ? Jul 2, 2018 03:57

racing identity: Apr 5, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

Nobody who thinks "economic management" is important knows what "economic management" is, but they think that stuffing poor people into meat grinders sounds pretty close"

# ? Jul 2, 2018 03:59

avshalemon: Jun 28, 2018

JBP posted:

Regular people thrust into this sort of thing will more likely get depression and kill themselves.

luckily, being depressed and under huge amounts of stress due to having to jump through arbitrary hoops all day every day with the ever-present threat that your payments will be cut off for absolutely no reason makes you a better employee when you do finally take an inappropriate job out of desperation. it's been proven!

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:08

froglet: Nov 12, 2009; You see, the best way to Stop the Boats is a massive swarm of autonomous armed dogs. Strafing a few boats will stop the rest and save many lives in the long term.

You can't make an Omelet without breaking a few eggs. Vote Greens.

Konomex posted:

Why do rich people think forcing people to jump through hoops to get poverty level payments is a smart idea? I realise they think being poor is some sort of moral failure, but isn't it smarter to feed the wolves and domesticate them then let them roam free and hungry?

Firstly - it gets votes.

Secondly - they don't know how inadequate welfare payments actually are, and how easy it is to lose them.

Thirdly - social stratification. If you are well-off, you probably only hang out with other well-off people, unless you deign to step out of your privilege bubble. It's hard to empathise with the nameless and faceless, and easier to "other" them or deny they exist.

There was a rich guy in the US who made the case for pay increases and action on climate change because "they will come for you and your families, no wall is high enough". Made surprising inroads on it with wealthy people, too.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:10

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

froglet posted:

Thirdly - social stratification. If you are well-off, you probably only hang out with other well-off people, unless you deign to step out of your privilege bubble. It's hard to empathise with the nameless and faceless, and easier to "other" them or deny they exist.

I kind of disagree with this. Plenty of poorer people in warehouses have bounced on and off Centrelink and hate it's clients more than the effete middle class.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:18

gucci bane: Oct 27, 2008

JBP posted:

Regular people thrust into this sort of thing will more likely get depression and kill themselves.

Also, a large number of people committing petty crimes are drunk at the time. So alcoholism, unemployment and crime all tie up into a neat bow. Nobody really takes up crime and starts performing sophisticated armed robberies.

My experience is that lower working class people are often the most racist and least class conscience. This doesn't apply to tradies, more people who may collect centerlink themselves or don't have a valuable trade. They harbour a great deal of rage towards Aboriginals, refugees, etc. I think part of it is a sense of shame connected to their own poverty which they then turn into hatred for others.

edit: I'm mainly speaking about white men here, not other groups

gucci bane fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jul 2, 2018

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:20

snoremac: Jul 27, 2012; I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

Since leaving Newstart, �dole bludger� and its variants and any updates on the system�s punitive measures trigger the poo poo out of me.

Centrelink must be a socialist psy-op because it pushed me heavily in that direction.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:21

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

https://twitter.com/JamColley/status/1013566137076858880

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:45

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Loving Fairfax running a string of articles by people crying poor about child care on a combined income above $350k

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:45

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Solemn Sloth posted:

Loving Fairfax running a string of articles by people crying poor about child care on a combined income above $350k

What the gently caress

HAHAHA HOLY loving poo poo

"Under the new scheme, the rebate is means-tested against the family income and once this reaches $351,248, you are no longer eligible, regardless of how much the primary carer earns. Because my partner is the main breadwinner in our family, we no longer qualify for any childcare subsidy. With the cost of quality childcare in the area we live, for both my children, I will now be paying $45 a day above my daily earnings (after tax) to go back to work and treat hospital patients."

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:47

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

Solemn Sloth posted:

Loving Fairfax running a string of articles by people crying poor about child care on a combined income above $350k

Because they're not getting any / enough?

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:48

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

Solemn Sloth posted:

Imagine how garbage you have to be to have people rallying behind Sarah Hanson young against you, Jesus

Imagine how lovely you have to be to take a case of sexual harassment and make it about the victim

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:50

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Jesus Christ this person is saying that inequality is being driven by her $350k income household having to pay for childcare. gently caress me dead just kill me now.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:54

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

JBP posted:

Jesus Christ this person is saying that inequality is being driven by her $350k income household having to pay for childcare. gently caress me dead just kill me now.

also this

# ? Jul 2, 2018 04:59

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Beetphyxious posted:

Because they're not getting any / enough?

Because the government contributions are getting means tested

# ? Jul 2, 2018 05:04

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

The point people should be taking away is that childcare is so expensive that it can discourage people returning to work.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 05:07

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Anidav posted:

JOB snobs and bludgers who refuse to apply for work will have amber and red traffic light colours flash on their phones to warn they are about to lose their welfare payments.

In a major shake-up starting today, jobseekers face a demerit point system which is supported by a new Job Seeker app. It will provide constant reminders about meeting their obligations. The dashboard will use strong visual and written warnings.

The no-more excuses plan, will use traffic light colours to show whether the job seeker is in the green (fully compliant) zone; the amber (warning) zone; or red (penalty) zone.

Under the new system, if job seekers fail to attend interviews or apply for a required number of jobs, they will likely lose their Newstart payment. It will be reinstated once obligations are met.

If they have no reasonable excuse for failing to meet requirements, a demerit point will be added to their record.

If five demerit points are clocked up within six months, backpay will be withheld, even if they turn-up for interviews or apply for work.

If requirements are met for three months, demerit points will return to zero.

The amber indicator will show demerit points and how far to go to the red or penalty zone. Serious failures such as blatantly refusing to work, means immediate loss of payment for four weeks.

The system will be managed by jobseekers, who will self-report and confirm they have met their requirements, and overseen by job active provider.

Jobs Minister Michaelia Cash said the system was designed to make the process of finding a job easier.

“The new framework is fairer because it recognises that the majority of job seekers do the right thing and should therefore not receive financial penalties,’’ Senator Cash said.

“It will, however, penalise those who exploit the welfare system by wilfully and repeatedly gaming the rules in order to receive income support payments. This system will reinforce the rights and obligations of both government and those seeking assistance.”

Stop posting unlabeled Betoota advocate

# ? Jul 2, 2018 05:08

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

JBP posted:

I got whatever the student thing was when I was in uni and have mercifully never had to interact with centrelink again. I've got two friends that are centrelink reliant rn (one has a permanent injury and one just has the shittiest luck of anyone I've ever met) and what they go through as far as time and stress seems way more onerous than having a crappy job.

That's the design, next question.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 05:15

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Anidav posted:

The no-more excuses plan, will use traffic light colours to show whether the job seeker is in the green (fully compliant) zone; the amber (warning) zone; or red (penalty) zone.

Michaelia
You don't have to put on the red liiiiight

# ? Jul 2, 2018 05:16

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

Doctor Spaceman posted:

The point people should be taking away is that childcare is so expensive that it can discourage people returning to work.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 05:17

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

Pictured, South Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WZLJpMOxS4

quote:

SA Government to quadruple cannabis possession fines, introduce prison sentences

The South Australian Government wants to dramatically increase penalties for marijuana possession, as it wages what it says is a "war on drugs".
Key points:

The maximum fine for cannabis possession would be quadrupled to $2,000 under laws to be debated in Parliament this week.

A new maximum prison sentence of two years would be introduced � the same as drugs such as ecstasy or heroin.

Attorney-General Vickie Chapman said marijuana needed to be treated the same as other controlled and illegal drugs, rather than like jaywalking.

Cannabis possession has been decriminalised in South Australia since 1987, and the most common penalty for possessing less than 25 grams is a $125 fine.

Quadrupling cannabis possession fines was a Liberal election promise as part of a "war on drugs" slogan.

Other measures included allowing drug-sniffing dogs into schools.

"The plan is to review and increase penalties across the board, from using to supplying, and reducing the opportunity to say, 'well, I'll have treatment," Ms Chapman said.

"We're bringing it into parity [with other drugs]."
Drug diversion program too lenient: Attorney-General

Ms Chapman said too many people were taking advantage of a drug diversion program, which they will now only be allowed to go to twice in a four-year period.

"If we give people a chance to have treatment a couple of times, that's fine, but really this a limit on how lenient we can be in giving people a chance to have treatment instead of a penalty," she said.

"�We endorse that that's an opportunity that should be given, but third time around you don't get that opportunity."

Increasing fines for cannabis possession was a recommendation of deputy coroner Anthony Schapel in his 2017 findings into the murder of 18-year-old Lewis McPherson by 17-year-old Liam Humbles in 2012.

Police issued Humbles with a drug diversion notice because he said cannabis in his possession was for personal use.
Opposition to changes from lawyers, doctors and the Greens

The Law Society of South Australia said it would prefer drug use to be treated as a health issue rather than a criminal one.

The chair of the society's criminal law committee, Rachael Shaw said the new laws would clog up an already busy and stretched justice system.

"The society does not support at all the idea in particular that we remove or limit the ability of people to access counselling and education through what is now the diversion program, which has been in place for many years and instead put these people in the criminal justice system," Ms Shaw told ABC Radio Adelaide.

Dr David Caldicott, the clinical lead at the Australian National University's Australian Medicinal Cannabis Observatory, questioned whether the laws would decrease use or harm from marijuana.

"We know for a fact introducing harsher penalties does neither of those things," Dr Caldicott said.

"Maybe it's to generate revenue.

"The likeliest scenario for its purpose is to send a message to those who support these policies � it's a form of virtue-signalling."

Rather than a war on drugs, Greens MLC Tammy Franks said the proposed laws were "a war on the homeless, Aboriginal people and the poor" who were least able to afford to defend themselves in court.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 05:17

Dimebag: Jul 12, 2004

Doctor Spaceman posted:

The point people should be taking away is that childcare is so expensive that it can discourage people returning to work.

I'm a stay at home dad and they have just cut out subsidy to nothing even though we are well below the threshold. Reason being is that for the 2 days my son has pre school I work trying to help get my wife's business off the ground while she is working full time at her paying job.

Centrelink has a hard time understanding why I'm not in paid employment, even though I qualify as "unpaid employment in a family business" under their terms. So it's been back and forth with them for a few months now trying to get it resolved, we are fortunate that we could adjust our budget so that he can go those 2 days as we think the social aspect is very important for him but it's frustrating working 30 odd hours a week as well as being the full time carer, cleaner, organiser etc but it not being recognised especially as I am using this experience with the business to self educate and increase my chances of employment when he starts school.

But just loving lol at this lady, just deal with it, we are on less than half of what her family earns. Just pay the loving fees lady

Dimebag fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Jul 2, 2018

# ? Jul 2, 2018 05:19

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

plumpy hole lever posted:

yet when i say oval office the whole thread dogpiles

Shut up idiot

# ? Jul 2, 2018 05:44

Mad Katter: Aug 23, 2010; STOP THE BATS

tithin posted:

Pictured, South Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WZLJpMOxS4

This idea is so stupid that only the SA Liberals could have thought it up.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 06:00

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

ahahaha wtf

SA Liberals: Succeeding at backwards loving policies where even Jeffrey Beauregard Sessions hasn't made ground yet.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 06:20

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Does anybody think this photo shop of trum as Mao looks like dutton?

# ? Jul 2, 2018 06:33

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Have we got any hot takes from Daisy re SHY controversy?

# ? Jul 2, 2018 07:01

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

JBP posted:

Have we got any hot takes from Daisy re SHY controversy?

she'll blame feminism/outrage culture for it (and claim lionhelm did nothing wrong)

# ? Jul 2, 2018 07:05

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

Who designs a system that doesn't tell you anywhere what your eligible hours are when you've built the system from the ground up of being based on eligible hours and activity testing.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 07:09

Sparticle: Oct 7, 2012

https://twitter.com/nickschadegg/status/1012896111067983872

# ? Jul 2, 2018 07:10

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

https://twitter.com/JoshButler/status/1013650229457899520

# ? Jul 2, 2018 07:11

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

JBP posted:

Have we got any hot takes from Daisy re SHY controversy?

quote:

I Use My Looks To Get Ahead. Is That A Crime?

Pretty is as pretty does�

I�m what society considers a pretty girl.

I�ve got clear skin, nice hair, a small waist and a great booty. I dress well, wear makeup (but not too much), and conduct myself with plenty of confidence and swagger. I�m done with the low self-esteem and body dysmorphia that seem to come with the territory for women in their early 20s, and I can say that physically, I�m perfectly satisfied with myself. It�s immensely liberating.

But this calm self-awareness doesn�t come from vanity or ego. It�s because I�m told I�m aesthetically pleasing on a regular basis. When I walk into a room, heads turn, not because I�ve said anything particularly intelligent, but because human beings like to look at attractive things.

Anyway, I�ve got two eyes and a mirror. I know how I look.

And yes, I�m aware beauty is in the eye of the beholder. While I may not be everyone�s cup of tea, I can say with confidence that my physical attributes have helped me get ahead � and I�m not going to apologize for it.

https://shesaid.com/attractive-get-ahead/

# ? Jul 2, 2018 07:14

bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

G-Spot Run posted:

Who designs a system that doesn't tell you anywhere what your eligible hours are when you've built the system from the ground up of being based on eligible hours and activity testing.

we dooo, we dooo

# ? Jul 2, 2018 07:21

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# ? May 16, 2024 13:38

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

https://shesaid.com/attractive-get-ahead/

"the little monkey man/woman inside us all"

This is where Daisy believes injustice, sexism and racism comes from.

# ? Jul 2, 2018 07:24

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