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Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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plumpy hole lever posted:

yet when i say oval office the whole thread dogpiles

Shut up idiot

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Nov 9, 2013

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JBP posted:

She is our most left female politician because we only tolerate white people.

e: SHY is actually more like Rosa Parks though in this instance.

*Toilet flushes*

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Cue laugh track, zoom in on JBP's face, fade out to "Curb Your Enthusiasm" jingle

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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hope is the first step to disappointment

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Throw incels and the MRA/incel apologists into the gulag

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Literally anything which is likely to lead to disinhibition or failure to inhibit impulsive behaviour is likely to cause an increased risk of "offending".

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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JBP posted:

Why "offending"? Isn't being convicted of a violent crime just straight up offending?

you are an idiot

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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JBP posted:

Nah he just did antivax "comedy" constantly as well as his weird anti psych/mra gear. No one liked it, people said they didn't like it and he stopped getting signed up.


ModernMajorGeneral posted:

:thunk:

I'm inclined to believe your version because I have my doubts that this person is capable of concealing how much he hates women and vaccines for more than thirty seconds.

Maybe they didn’t know it was this specific moron, and they might not even consider Nolch as part of the community given his poo poo

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Lol social psychology

Maybe they can have a study which replicates one day

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Also my actual problem with the pop psychology article is that it’s intellectually dishonest, rather than social psychology.txt

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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it would seem that private health insurance is an industry entirely propped up by the government, and if it weren't for government intervention, likely wouldn't survive

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Whitlam posted:

Tl;dr: standing in court matters because of what it and the court represents, and having consequences for saying "gently caress you" to the court is good.

Imo, standing in court matters because it is a mark of respect not just for the judge, but for the proceedings and (where applicable) the victims. Court proceedings are highly formalised matters for good reason - you're literally dealing with people's lives. Almost every element of a court proceeding is run by a process. Lawyers don't wear wigs (in some courts) and call each other "my learned friend" for funsies, it's because it reinforces the serious and mutually respectful nature of proceedings. In inherently hostile circumstances like a court case, things can very quickly devolve into explicit and unproductive hostilities if people are allowed to do whatever.

Now, is anyone going to die if this woman doesn't stand for the judge? Of course not, nobody is suggesting this. The point is, if you go down the route of "well why should the lawyers stand for the judge? Or wear robes? Or sit in a court and not a park? Or listen to the judge at all? Or XYZ", you quickly start stripping back the elements of formality that reinforce the serious and respectful nature of proceedings, and veer into "why even have rules at all?" territory. Yeah, in the grand universal scheme of things it isn't a big deal, and it probably makes more sense to people who actually work or have experience in the legal profession than those who don't, but that doesn't mean it's a dumb rule for the context in which it operates and what the action represents.

In this situation, where the person was explicitly doing it as a "gently caress you", I have absolutely no issue with them facing contempt of court consequences for an action that was explicitly intended to show their contempt for the court. Judges should still have discretion about enforcing the rule, but I don't think it's a bad rule, and contempt of court is a good charge to have in existence generally.

My friend, I think you will find a lot of the tradition of the court also comes from making aspects of it inaccessible to the layperson in order to maintain specialization and control.

A good example is the pre-1900’s universities having a monopoly on “knowledge”, and where going through this system allowed you to be qualified to both teach and arbitrate who else can get a degree. This tradition kind of lives.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Drinkin the stank titty-sweat

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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I’m just not quite sure why, in the 21st century, anyone would want unpasteurized milk

Like Paul’s or whatever sells unhomogenised milk and it’s like whhhyyyy

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Nov 9, 2013

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GrandMaster posted:

Because unhomogenised milk is loving amazing, and has absolutely nothing to do with how safe it is to drink. It's means it has chunks of cream floating around in it. It's still pasteurised.

Why would you want lumpy milk

i just don't really understand I guess, maybe it's because I grew up with homogenised milk

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Pre-empting the move of BIG MILK to get non-cow sources of "milk" renamed, so we can call soy milk "Tofu Juice"

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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I just want to say, that as a person with immediate family as current ADF members, the ASM isn't really all that prestigious as it's just denoting the fact that the member served in an overseas operation that wasn't "war".

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Zenithe posted:

Is anyone else getting targeted ads from the government saying you get money if you snitch on companies using pirated software?

Is it even the government? I thought it was the lobby group for businesses

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Is Albo even any better than Bill though? Like they are both closer to the career politician ideal, and both likely to sell out the left-wing ideals when expedient (e.g., Albo and business)?

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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There was one a saw briefly about how Bill wants to support offshore detention still

It really is happening

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Pea brain: adequate oversight and regulation for NDIS

Normal brain: adequate funding for the NDIS

GALAXY BRAIN: Announce a major task force into NDIS fraud when minimal fraud is present

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Anidav posted:



The daily telegraph had enlisted these fine patriots to tell you that political correctness has gone too far.

who are most of these people again

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Nov 9, 2013

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I would blow Dane Cook posted:

So I have been seeing a job access provider for some time now and the lady I have been assigned to or has been assigned to me is really nice and helpful and has that motherly nurturing kind of vibe very supportive (honestly she is the best worker I have had the pleasure of interacting with on a professional basis).

I know it is kind of awkward but and maybe inappropriate but what are your guys thoughts on asking professional relationships out on a a personal date.

Has anybody here ever asked like a receptionist or office worker or government employee out on a date haha that last one sounded so wrong.

It is entirely possible that she is just doing her job and being very supportive and helpful and caring in a time of need and low point of my life but it's hard to look past all the support she has given and great one at that.

I am already regretting typing this post up but I had a good interview again today with her and she is literally the only female nurturing supportive presence in my life atm while I am surrounded by the complete and total opposite atm nearly on a daily basis.

I dunno was just a funny thought.. Might also make my centrelink job access provider appointments much better and less stressful and maybe even more fun ;) ;) :)

What do you guys think.. I haven't really "dated" for a very long time and have been literally and metaphorically alone for some time.

Who here is dating what is it like how is everybody doing tonight..

I get to see her again on July 5th so haha two weeks from now.. should be cool should be good.. trying not to get attached but the heart wants what it wants or I think it does? Should? Haha I dunno haha lol xD

no don't!!!!!

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Dick Smith, noted capitalist, is defeated by the Forces of the Free Market ™

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Turnbull toasted as Slick Shorten slams several seats

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Nov 9, 2013

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Oh my god, I just looked out the window and we are being FLOODED with illegal refugees. They are taking away my rights and way of life. Why didn't I listen to Dutton

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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This exactly what they said would happen if people voted Labor

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Nov 9, 2013

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I have some friends who are baked-on Albo fans and it's a real weird cult of personality I think

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Nov 9, 2013

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After the victim queries the disciplinary process, Mr Stewart is heard to say: “I don’t understand what is not satisfactory.”

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Nov 9, 2013

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The intelligentsia run this loving town now, dawg

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Nov 9, 2013

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Beetphyxious posted:

anyway i'm obviously upsetting some people who don't believe in constructive criticism so i'll stop trying to have discussions on how the greens can improve thing and let them stay the course.

nice meltdown

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Nov 9, 2013

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Would be nice if there was greater public pressure on the Queensland Police about the DV-enabling cop but I guess we are just used to this kind of thing now

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Nov 9, 2013

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You Am I posted:

The NTEU during the 2010 election asked their members to vote against Labor and go Green, as Gillard at that time was going to pull money out of uni funding to pay for Gonski.

The NTEU (my union) of today would still be more aligned with the Greens, although the NTEU is a pretty progressive/socialist union (from what I've seen)

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Nov 9, 2013

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Beetphyxious posted:

Found it, and gently caress it was like two days ago. my brain is fried.


https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/07/28/nteu-j28.html

Ding dong your source is wrong

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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Like even with a critical lens (some of the free speech poo poo out of the JCU branch), there’s just so much wrong with that article that it basically looks like it’s supposed to be wrong on purpose.

I also love the fact that it’s effectivly excusing the LNP from any wrong-doing, almost like it’s written by some amazing deep-cover agent (I know the SEP is real though). Maybe the SEP can try to use the invasion day rallies to sell more of their poo poo again

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Nov 9, 2013

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Five by-elections held across Australia on Saturday gave a further revealing indication of widespread hostility towards the openly pro-big business program of the Liberal-National Coalition government, and disaffection from all parties of the official political establishment.
On the surface, the result means that the government’s majority in the lower house of parliament remains the same, just one seat. The opposition Labor Party retained the four seats it previously held, and the right-wing nationalist Centre Alliance (formerly the Nick Xenophon Team) kept its single seat.
But beneath the surface, the results point to a further breakup of the two-party parliamentary system that has served the interests of the corporate and financial elites since World War II. Candidates claiming to oppose the major parties picked up sizeable votes, as they have during the past decade.
Within the twisted framework of official politics, the voting patterns provided only a pale and distorted picture of the deep discontent over falling real wages, the rise of insecure work, the deteriorating state of health, education and other essential social services, and the rapidly escalating burden of housing and utility costs.
Despite large swings against the Coalition, and its decision to not even stand candidates in two of the five electorates, the opposition Labor Party’s vote barely rose from its historic lows. Nor did the vote for the Greens, who propped up the last Labor government from 2007 to 2013. Among wide layers of the population, the Greens are recognised as providing no progressive alternative to the two party setup.
Significantly, the four MPs who had been forced to quit their seats—due to a High Court ruling that they were possibly entitled to citizenship of another country—were returned to parliament. In fact, the reactionary nationalist “dual citizenship” furore created by the media, the political establishment and the High Court over the past year, was barely mentioned during the protracted by-election campaigns. This suggests that the witch hunt—designed to whip up patriotism and xenophobia—has so far failed to win any substantial popular support.
For Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and his government, the most spectacular defeat came in Longman, an electorate that spans outer working-class suburbs and semi-rural areas north of Brisbane, the Queensland state capital. One of the most impoverished electorates in the country, Longman epitomises the worsening social crisis, particularly appallingly low wages and the lack of health and other basic services.
In Longman, the Liberal National Party (LNP) vote crashed by 9.5 percentage points to just 29.5 percent, an historic collapse from almost 45 percent at the 2013 federal election. If that result were replicated at the next federal election, due before May 2019, the government could lose seven seats in Queensland alone, ensuring its defeat.
The Coalition vote was not helped by its choice of candidate, a former minister in the last LNP state government of 2012–15, which slashed health and social spending. But the outcome was a wider rejection of the Turnbull government’s economic program, particularly its centrepiece of multi-billion dollar tax cuts for the major banks and other big corporations.
Government ministers had depicted the by-elections as a plebiscite on the tax cut plan, which they have been unable to pass through the Senate. This enabled the Labor Party and its trade union backers to rail demagogically against handouts to the “big banks and multinationals,” in order to tap into the mass social and political disaffection.
However, despite the enormous shift against the government, Labor’s vote in Longman rose only 4.6 points to just below 40 percent. This was less than the historical average anti-government swing in by-elections, due to Labor’s own anti-working class record in office and its patently phony rhetoric. Party leader Bill Shorten had backed similar company tax cuts as a key minister in the last Labor government.
As a result, Pauline Hanson’s right-wing One Nation party, which sought to exploit social distress in regional areas and divert political hostility into an anti-immigrant, nationalist direction, gained 16 percent of the vote. This was up 6.5 points since the 2016 federal election, although down on the highs of over 20 percent at last November’s state election.
A similar, but not quite as dramatic, pattern emerged in Braddon, covering areas of north-western Tasmania, which have been blighted by corporate job destruction and cuts to social services. The Coalition’s primary vote fell by 2.5 points to 39 percent, while Labor’s also dropped by 3 points to 37 percent. A local fisherman, who depicted himself as an “anti-politician” independent, gained nearly 11 percent of the vote. Labor retained the seat on the back of his second preference votes.
Both major parties suffered a debacle in the semi-rural seat of Mayo, near the South Australian capital of Adelaide. By presenting herself as an alternative to the two-party system, the Centre Alliance candidate garnered 45 percent of the vote, 10 points up from the 2016 election. High-profile Coalition candidate Georgina Downer, daughter of a former party leader and foreign minister, won just 37 percent, down 1 point. Labor got barely 6 percent of the vote—less than the Greens and far below Labor’s 25 percent vote in 2010.
In the two Western Australian seats, which the government did not bother to contest, Labor candidates were returned, but only with marginally larger votes. In inner-city Perth, the state capital, Labor’s primary vote was just 39.5 percent, up 2 points, and in nearby Fremantle, a once working-class port city, Labor only just won a majority—52 percent, up 11 points.
In these two seats, the Greens picked up 16–18 percent of the vote, largely from disenchanted Coalition voters, but in the more working-class electorates of Longman and Braddon, the Greens vote languished or fell to around 4 percent, expressing growing dissatisfaction towards their orientation to affluent upper-middle class layers, at the direct expense of the interests of the working class.
At the same time, the proportion of people who cast an informal vote, increased from 3.5 percent in Mayo to 9.2 percent in Perth. No statistics are yet available on the numbers who refused to vote at all.
Corporate media commentators voiced alarm at the outcome. Fairfax Media political editor Peter Hartcher warned this morning of a “great fracturing” and a “subterranean upheaval across Australia’s political landscape.” Hartcher, the spearhead of a vicious anti-Chinese campaign over the past two years, lamented the fact that voters were “untroubled” that their MPs had been “ineligible to sit in parliament because they were dual citizens.”
Most of the commentary focussed on the electoral blow to Turnbull’s government. Today’s Australian editorial declared: “It is brutally clear that the government’s political strategy, whatever that is, isn’t working. Nationally it has no strategy to deal with Labor’s anti-business, class war campaign.”
Initial speculation centred on the likelihood that the government would have to drop or modify its company tax cut legislation. This would intensify frustration within the financial elites, with the Coalition seemingly incapable of pushing its agenda through.
In reality, the political crisis is rapidly intensifying. Neither the Coalition nor Labor has been able to form a stable government since the 2008 global financial crash, some 10 years ago.
The latest by-elections portend social and political upheavals, intensified by the potentially disastrous fallout from the Trump administration’s trade war measures and a possible meltdown in the property market and banking system.
Turnbull’s position as prime minister is under threat, even if he has no immediate challengers. While Shorten’s leadership may survive for now, that is only because Labor has made a limited and utterly fraudulent populist appeal to mass anti-establishment sentiment.
Not discussed at all during the by-elections was the bipartisan agenda of alignment with the US in advanced war preparations against China and ongoing austerity to restore the budget to surplus. Nor was any mention made of last week’s US-Australia ministerial talks, where Washington insisted on even closer military ties, or of the draconian “foreign interference” laws rammed through parliament late last month, with immense implications for democratic rights.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

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See this is why Trots get a bad rap

e: the hyper-criticism of other (mostly) Left-wing groups by people like the SEP/some Trots basically borders on being a 5th column for the Right. Now I'm not suggesting that ice-picks are the answer, but

Recoome fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jul 31, 2018

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Nov 9, 2013

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Beetphyxious posted:

Yeah I'm trying to figure the dude out, because the stuff about the NTEU is easily disproved.

look he's an increasingly irrelevant Ur-Trot who has given up on attacking class enemies and is now resigned to fighting the true enemy of the people, anyone who takes a left-wing platform and isn't part of the SEP.

Ironically I think he has tenure, or is on track for tenure at UWS so I think that the anti-NTEU is due to the belief that unions are now part of the system that oppresses workers (SDA is an example of this), which is consistent with the overall belief of the SEP.

The great irony is that no-one types their name out as "Doctor Firstname Lastname", because it looks really dumb, and also he is a professor so it should be "Professor XY" at least. At least shorten it to Dr, it's loving obvious what honorific to use due to the PhD qualification.

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Nov 9, 2013

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Kommando posted:

"the age of entitlement is over."
-Joe Hockey 2014

Safe place to huff bags for boomers

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