Raskolnikov38 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCqADR4Fj88

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

https://twitter.com/katielannan/status/1018852303212896257

etalian posted:

lmao at anyone who believes this after the 2008 and also how Warren's credit protection agency ended up completely wrecked by Trump & finance sector lobbyists.

Frijolero posted:

don't pretend like Deray isn't a huge loving dipshit who deserves struggle sessions

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Resurrected Huey P. Long today, resurrected Huey P. Long tomorrow, resurrected Huey P. Long forevah

Lessail posted:

trying to distinguish yourself from the field by being indistinguishable from most of them lmao

comedyblissoption posted:

fits my needs posted:

https://twitter.com/gretchenfisk/status/1020804500146319360

basic hitler posted:

Centrist thought leaders are basically unpersons and automatons. Brave new world Delta-like idiots pumping out brain snot for idiot centrist voters to consume and get horny and partake in the orgy where they scream "its Bernie's fault" and "working class americans are lovely retards tee hee" at eachothers genitals until they cum

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1020681497806888961

zegermans posted:

for the longest time I thought ozymandias was just a made up vaguely egyptian sounding name for the poem, but apparently that was another name for ramses

anime was right posted:

S tier succ

https://twitter.com/Comey/status/1021132108381683712

anime was right posted:

ill show you a great middle, its called the crack of my rear end.

Venom Snake posted:

COINTELPRO has gotten really lazy if they have resorted to having the former director tweet "please don't do a socialism"

Willa Rogers posted:

lol at the linked story:

Third Way officials even attempted to remove the “moderate” moniker from the event, encouraging those in attendance to call themselves “opportunity Democrats.” (The event itself was labeled “Opportunity 2020.”)

MaxxBot posted:

Lmao

https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1021150569732485121?s=19

MaxxBot posted:

basic hitler posted:

Whats really amazing is when you realize the cold war worked as a means to put pressure on the elite like better take care of the uppity poors or else Moscow will get a toehold in america and before you know it little johnny is a young pioneer singing about Lenin and the second the ussr collapsed they were like well we won i guess we can start unravelling all these concessions we gave the working class decades ago to prevent a revolution lol

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

also: she's running.

https://twitter.com/danielmarans/status/1021408264758743040

quote:

Democrats Agree that ’90s Centrism Is Dead—but How Far Left Is Enough?
Young people are pulling the party left, and it’s easy to see why. Let’s go there—but let’s go there smartly, without rancor and divisive litmus tests.
Michael Tomasky
MICHAEL TOMASKY
07.23.18 5:02 AM ET
New developments on the #demsindisarray front as The New York Times ran a long story over the weekend under the dramatic headline “Democrats Brace as Storm Brews Far to Their Left… Fiercely Liberal Voices… Young Voters Urge Party to ‘Wake Up and Pay Attention.’”

“Storm”? “Far” to their left? I’d like to interview that headline writer. Also, “brace,” for that matter, because the article itself doesn’t really quote anybody doing any bracing, in the sense of preparing themselves for arduous battle. It quotes a couple people—Martin O’Malley, oddly, and the state party chairman in Michigan—reminding Times readers that the party still has moderate voices, and voters, too. But it doesn’t have anyone screaming to the heavens that this is suicide.

And it doesn’t have anyone screaming that because I don’t think many people really think that. Democrats disagree, and in some cases strongly, on how far left they believe the party ought to go, but the ones I talk to accept that this is happening and understand why it’s happening.

The Times article refers mostly to young people, and it’s mostly young people who are pulling the party left. And it’s easy to see why. If you’re 27 and not right wing or rich or both, you’ve grown up in a country that in most fundamental ways has gotten worse and worse since you were of an age to start paying attention to things. Inequality is worse. Opportunity is worse. Wage growth is worse. Benefit structures are worse. Job stability is far worse. If you live in a small town, your town is probably dying, and half the people you know are on drugs.

If you’re around that age and you call yourself a socialist, well, who can blame you? The capitalism that we’ve been practicing in this country for certainly the last 18 years has failed everyone except the top 10 or so percent. Barack Obama softened some of this around the edges, and with Obamacare, he did more than that. But for most people—for eight or nine out of 10 Americans—our right-wing version of capitalism has narrowed their opportunities instead of expanding them. It’s been a criminal failure (in some cases literally, even though Obama chose not to prosecute anybody).

So I think everybody understands why this is happening. And I don’t think I know a single Democrat who believes ’90s-style centrism is the answer. It’s not. Even the centrists are moving left.

Last week, I attended a Third Way conference in Columbus for two days (note: they covered my airfare). To about 200 guests from around the country, the group unveiled its “Social Contract for the Digital Age.”

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Yes, Third Way is consciously positioning itself to the right of Sandersismo. In their presentations, Third Wayers said their polling and discussions with voters showed that talking to people about the need for more opportunity does better than talking to them about fighting inequality. I can believe that because it’s easier for most average people to see lack of opportunity in their daily lives than it is to see inequality.

“You can’t be a Democrat without being for universal health care in some form or another, or without being for transferring wealth from the rich to the middle class and poor. How to do those things is what Democrats will debate for the next two years.”
Even so, I do think they should incorporate some class warfare rhetoric into their spiel. The class war—the rich and their Republican servants versus everybody else—is real and getting realer all the time. Moderates like the folks at Third Way have to reckon with how to acknowledge it.

The agenda itself, though, is a lot more progressive than the stuff moderates were putting out back in the Clinton days. One idea is for universal private retirement accounts to augment Social Security for workers who don’t have supplemental pensions (speaking of things that have gone down the crapper in the last 20 years, we’ve gone from 35 percent of private-sector workers having pension plans to just 18 percent).

This plan involves real money: Employers would be required to contribute for each worker at least 50 cents for every hour worked, and it would be financed by ending the tax benefits on IRAs and such for wealthy people. It’s pretty soak-the-rich, in other words.

They also want to quadruple the amount the federal government spends to help finance small-business loans. And they have a great idea about vastly increasing what the federal government spends on apprenticeship programs for non-college bound young people, i.e. Trump voters. Three or four of the 12 items are aimed directly at rural and small-town America, which is smart politics, because those places are in terrible shape compared to cities, and they are where the Democrats need to get more votes to win a House majority and capture the presidency.

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No, none of this is single payer. But it’s solid liberal, activist-government stuff. Overall, it’s left of what Obama ran on in 2008, probably well left.

Obviously, it’s not going to be left enough for some people. So let’s have that debate. But please, let’s have it without narrow litmus tests. I mentioned single payer above because it’s the best example of a terrible litmus test. It’s terrible because so far in the real world, it’s a political loser. They passed it in Vermont, only to have the governor shelve it as too expensive. In Vermont. They put a version of it on the ballot in Colorado, which I think it’s fair to call pale blue (Obama carried it twice, and Hillary won it as well), in 2016. It lost. Not by a little. By 80 to 20. It lost 62-38 in Boulder County, for God’s sake.

As I’ve written, I’m for universal health care, but there are other ways to do it. And people who prefer something along the lines of a German or Dutch model to single-payer are not sellouts or whores. Some litmus tests are necessary and fair. You can’t be a Democrat without being for universal health care in some form or another, or without being for transferring wealth from the rich to the middle class and poor. How to do those things is what Democrats will debate for the next two years.

But they’d better do it with a minimum of rancor this time, on both sides. The rancor helped give us one term of Donald Trump. If it contributes to another, every left vs. liberal debate will be rendered about as relevant as debates between Mensheviks and czarists in 1921 Russia. And we know what happened to them.

Willa Rogers posted:

love how he ignores that state-based single-payer has failed because elected dems + their healthcare donors opposehd it (as did non-establishment planned parenthood) and also his claim that all dumbos who don't or can't attend college are trump voters.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

I think it's fair to b point out Nixon is literally worth like 70 million our something. That's on a whole nother level compared to Bernie having a vacation house or w/e. Having 70 million dollars is fundamentally immoral.

Al! posted:

nobody deserves 70 million buckaroos

Al! posted:

in order for someone to be taxed at 99% and still accumulate 70 million dollars they would have to do some truly evil poo poo

Condiv posted:

you're just gonna parrot the media narrative verbatim? really??

and what's it matter that it didn't start at the start of obama's presidency? OWS demanded a lot of poo poo be fixed and they were ignored, ridiculed, and then crushed by the FBI. obama didn't pay one whit of attention

phasmid posted:

In short, just like with other groups, agents provocateur were sent in to soften up the movement and then the cops all came in together in one night and made tons of arrests and drove everyone away. That happened all across America in many major cities. There's no way Obama didn't know it was going down. gently caress him.

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Literally take Long's Share Our Wealth plan and adjust it for inflation imo

MaxxBot posted:

This thread seems to prefer to pick on PSA as the lanyard Dem podcast of choice but really 538 is worse, PSA wants to move left but still wants to play nice with establishment Dems, 538 would be perfectly happy with centrist Dems forever.

Calibanibal posted:

Interesting how bernie has yet to come to the defence of Josh Brolin and Dan Harmon. Almost like he hates marvel movies and marvel fans and Rick and Morty and Rick and Morty fans

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/nathanTbernard/status/1021757203747942400

Shear Modulus posted:

however it would be dumb for AOC to take her up on some offer to be a surrogate since tv stars stumping for dems has always been the stupidest loving thing

Raskolnikov38 posted:

i'm more interested in her violations of the laws of physics vis-a-vis shuttles and torpedoes

paranoid randroid posted:

just read that NYM piece on the coming centrist fightback and lmao there people have toast for brains

We need to give people alternatives to punchy, easily summarized leftist policy. I know! How about 500 page white papers full of impenetrable, arcane fiscal voodoo that only five economists understand and will be at best a half measure? We've got that rotten Bernald Sandres now!

mila kunis posted:

while traveling and reading up on political parties in third world countries its cool how regional local party machines run heavily based on patronage networks within the local population based on religion/ethnicity/neighbourhood etc. like they're basically rackets that take government/donor money and distribute largesse amongst their constituents in addition to food, water, protection and entertainment in exchange for votes.

the democrats offer you nothing except to poo poo in your mouth, how the gently caress do they still exist

GalacticAcid posted:

i would think c-spam would be gung ho for Third Way's plan to create labor camps for boomers

mastershakeman posted:

Why would anyone go see Hamilton when they could see some Prokofiev instead

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Fight Song

mastershakeman posted:

The greatest city in the world is obviously duluth

veiled boner fuel posted:

pretty much, the tax plan and a Brett confirmation alone will resound through the country for decades.

VR Native American posted:

"Stephens was a "prominent voice" among the media advocates for the start of the 2003 Iraq War,[15] for instance writing in a 2002 column that, unless checked, Iraq was likely to become the first nuclear power in the Arab world."