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Ytlaya posted:Reply from last thread: yeah, I’m extremely sympathetic to Klion’s take, but the Democratic establishment and most American political institutions are so locked into their preferred hawkish, self-exonerating Russiagate narrative that I’m not sure it can be salvaged one might argue that maybe things wouldn’t have played out this way had the left been less skeptical of Russian intervention in 2016-2017, and certainly I think Greenwald has embarrassed himself, but how much power to shape the narrative did they ever really have?
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Oh Snapple! posted:for some strong-rear end succ, take a look at the thread for that episode lol https://twitter.com/45_resign/status/1018169746271940608?s=21 https://twitter.com/okay_hearmeout/status/1018177153458991106?s=21
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Oh Snapple! posted:my actual favorite bit of that because it's incredibly revealing you’re right, the casual classism is really something
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Oh Snapple! posted:in general my favorite part of "that gently caress doesn't speak for all black people" poo poo directed at leftist POC is that it's almost always followed by some form of "but I sure do." even funnier when that poo poo comes from white people, though apparently not in this particular case
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really queer Christmas posted:leftists who are mad at Russia because of their representation as capitalism gone to its logical conclusion, is fine and I’d support it under normal circumstances. but the prevailing narrative in the United States and among dems is that trump and putin like to make the kissy faces and he’s completely caving and helping the foreigns instead of domestic oligarchs. for every leftist mad because Russia’s connections to capitalism, there’s 10 dems with mainstream connections mad because trump isn’t escalating tensions with Russia. (despite the fact that he totally is and has kept troops on their border and wants to bring American oil to Europe instead). another factor is that on most issues where the left has had proven success in moving the Overton window to the left post-2016 (m4a, ICE, etc.), we have the advantage of being able to make easily understood, maximalist demands. russiagate, on the other hand, is an issue where the prevailing liberal narrative (“Soviet Russia engaged in an act of war to install their puppet as US President”) is a lot simpler than anything Klion or anyone else on the concerned-about-Russiagate left can come up with as a response Feldegast42 posted:I disagree with this, given the reaction to her book and to basically half of the party whenever she comes up in conversation. I think if / when she runs she will get the diehard hillfolk but the rest of the establishment smells blood and Booker / Harris / Biden will gang up on her to take her down a peg. If she runs she will be the Jeb! of 2020. I get the fear of her running again, but ffs, even Claire McCaskill openly wished she’d go away. nothing she’s done since losing the election has really helped her personal brand outside the hardcore #StillWithHer cult Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Rated PG-34 posted:the biggest grift the isrealis pulled was convincing people that the conflict is somehow complicated well, it's "complicated" in the sense that the Palestinians are oppressed in numerous ways and there's no solution that will be simply or easily implemented what's not complicated is that the two-state solution is dead and that it's an asymmetrical conflict in which Israel has vastly more power, and that any attempt to "both sides" it or pretend that 2SS is still viable amounts to a defense of the status quo
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yup, Joan is still the same person who went on a weeklong meltdown because Jeet Heer tweeted "Bernie would've won" in response to Corbyn, all right
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https://twitter.com/LFlanagan/statu...er%3D884%23pti5quote:Managing Director of BELLE Capital USA & Phenomenelle Angels Fund. Strategic Advisor to tech co's. 40 investments in 19 yrs. BusinessWeek Top 25 Angels in Tech
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loquacius posted:https://twitter.com/BravenakBlog/status/1018947820450086914 this is easily the most (superficially) level-headed and civilly worded criticism of Bernie I've ever seen from her, deffo it's still a garbage take but very weird
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https://twitter.com/pblest/status/1019253062509252619icantfindaname posted:http://thehill.com/homenews/house/397333-ocasio-cortez-draws-ire-from-democrats-meteors-fizz-out she is going to be under enormous political and social pressure from fellow Beltway Dems to hold her tongue and just accept The Way Things Are Done Around Here. keep holding her accountable
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Jon Favreau's new podcast on What's Wrong with the Democrats has debuted. someone please document the atrocities for us c-spammers https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-wilderness/id1408796715?mt=2
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Jose posted:she gonna get smashed ugh this is frustrating. she can't really do worse than Teachout, can she?
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cheese posted:You really can't make this poo poo up. work their way into? the ones who hate leftists the most already have it
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wow what a great sign to pose in front of Neera https://twitter.com/politidope/status/1019359611516841984?s=21
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so Tad Devine's name is all over the Manafort documents, oh joy all from well before the Sanders campaign started, but get ready for a lot of "Jen Kirkman was right"-level discourse
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read the replies for more Jeff Fuckery https://twitter.com/Atrios/status/1020776229958488064 along similar lines https://twitter.com/DanaHoule/status/1020780930972246017
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good god this poo poo is utterly deranged. read the whole thread https://twitter.com/coreyrobin/status/1020862006855913473?s=21
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I was chatting with my uncle on the phone just a few minutes ago and as soon as I mention I was canvassing he brings up the loving Scott Horton post uuuuuuurrrrrrggggggggghhhjj
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:oh man she probably shouldn’t engage bad faith critics like Imani Gandy but this is good
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Candice was not, in fact, happy that AOC won
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Corey Robin’s response to Ryan Cooper on Russiagate is so loving good and I agree with almost all of it. https://www.facebook.com/100001671926022/posts/1838734776192235/
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