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Peter Daou Bundy posted:hey nancy good ripoff of “for the many and not the few”
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Gunshow Poophole posted:fighting with an immigrant POC friend of mine on facebook over this as he screams about everything between Philadelphia and Sacramento being racists all the way down Dude isn't wrong, the midwest is full of racists. But it's also no more racist than some coastal liberal "paradise"
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Jul 20, 2018 03:01
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netroots nation is an appendage of billionaire foundation money, they’re purely sheepdog politics for edgier liberals. as captive as the Russian system is America is way more sophisticated in blocking off genuine reform with AstroTurf and billionaire money.
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Jul 20, 2018 15:41
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GoluboiOgon posted:they also have this gem yeah but think of the broker dealers who then get comfortable contracts to administer this half baked savings plan
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Jul 20, 2018 18:07
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Lisbon has some of the most aggressive rent control policies in the western world and it never fails to make the highly rational and intellectual liberals at the NYT melt down. It's an injustice that a family of restaurant workers gets to pay 50 euros a month next to some yuppie ghoul paying 3000.
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Jul 25, 2018 04:35
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Barry Convex posted:doesn't the Root run a hit piece about how Bernie is racistly ignoring POC like every other loving day there’s a reason why the root is mainstream and black agenda report gets relegated to the fringes despite both being purveyors of “woke politics”
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Jul 27, 2018 00:07
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:coding is a false promise offered up because liberals are tech fetishists who can’t imagine doing anything their donors wouldn’t want for the economy not to mention that a lot of the low hanging fruit, like configuring SAP modules, has already been outsourced to low cost delivery centers overseas. I haven't worked with a single packaged goods company that didn't have extensive IT operations in eastern Europe, India, or the Philippines.
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Jul 29, 2018 01:56
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Rand alPaul posted:This article on STEM has some great quotes: They are distorting the demand for STEM professions by counting jobs like being a nursing assistant as a "STEM" profession because it is technically a medical field position, even if it pays peanuts and is awful all around
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Jul 29, 2018 02:24
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theCalamity posted:https://twitter.com/ibjiyongi/status/1023940189192941568?s=21 Prescod-Weinstein also thinks that Jews and asian Americans are “middle agents” in Europe and america complicit in oppressing black and brown people
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Jul 30, 2018 19:49
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:She's also Jewish and is married to a Korean-American (I went to school with him) I know she’s jewish, I just found her comments at the JVP conference to be borderline antisemitic (claiming Jews had “middle agent” privilege in Europe)
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Jul 30, 2018 20:10
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Yeah I think Chait’s point is that those are the same talking points / strategies used by the InfoWars crowd. It’s odd that both groups are working together on the same political project: destroy / discredit the Democrats. Russia’s interference in US Democracy is inconvenient to that end for the far left (I.e. Bernie Bros) because it undercuts their thesis that Hillary lost the 2016 election because and solely because she was the worst possible candidate. It is significant that the left was led to adopt many of the same slogans/ideological positions as the far right with little to no concessions from them in return. To the extent that the Left believes that their abandonment of the Democratic Party will force that party to the left, I would question the success of that strategy; it seems like we are no better off today on any front that the Left would conceivably like to achieve. In the meantime, the Right is advancing their agenda, and entrenching their power electorally and judicially. That doesn’t seem like a very good trade to me. In fact, it seems like the Left bought into Right propaganda that preyed on their dissatisfaction with the Dems and exploited their political energies to split the party along artificial ideological purity lines.
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Jul 30, 2018 23:47
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And now we’re at the whataboutism phase of the conversation. You don’t have to defend imperialism, or agree with American interventionism, to be opposed to Russian intervention in American politics. Especially if that intervention entrenches a hyper-conservative, ethnocentric political machine intent on dissolving international bodies like NATO and replacing those institutions with worse alternatives It's on facebook, an urban planner I know is outraged about the left taking a dump on trump russia
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Jul 30, 2018 23:55
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comedyblissoption posted:why do union members settle for undemocratic autocratic leadership that flagrantly opposes them lol It's an institutional problem. For a lot of unions the lure of getting promoted out of a shop to be a union staffer is strong (this is esp. true for SEIU where organizers and reps make a lot more than their membership). This means people who want to climb the ladder and move up will toe the political line getting pushed by management or risk getting sidelined and stuck in their crappy $9/hr nursing assistant job. This is also why union elections don't work. Various factions at every international have already carved out their turf and use a rubberstamp election to put their goon in charge. Some unions like AFSCME are very sensitive to this aspect. When I made a joke to a few AFSCME guys in 2012 about filing board charges regarding the bitter election between lee saunders, the black (and probably corrupt) incumbent and reformist danny donohue they tried to run me out of the room.
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Aug 3, 2018 03:52
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Willa Rogers posted:it's scheduled a month from never, bc in the near-decade since the aca was passed, almost all employer plans would now qualify as "cadillac" coverage, going by price (which was the sole metric used to determine the qualification). Rahm Emanuel's brother told the NYT that he expected virtually no employers to offer insurance by 2020 specifically due to that tax provision
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Aug 3, 2018 04:03
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Kwaisi went to upenn. I haven't met a single poc who went to penn, harvard, uchicago, etc. who didn't worship liberals and their hereditary meritocracy
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Aug 3, 2018 13:33
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Given how parents have been having kids later in life, have there been any under-26ers on Medicare yet? p sure that applies only to employer paid plans and not entitlements like Medicare. also some states exceed the federal minimum of 26. for example, in New York dependents can stay on parents insurance until 30
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Aug 3, 2018 15:32
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Shear Modulus posted:lol that netroots still exists of course it does, that foundation money doesn’t spend itself you know!!!
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Aug 3, 2018 20:20
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my favorite billionaire foundation controlled opposition group is the new economy coalition, a purported grassroots federation of local “solidarity economies” that’s 98% funded by foundation grants
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Aug 3, 2018 20:23
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The Nastier Nate posted:I distinctly remember that being a W. line when someone asked him why he made drug importation from Canada illegal. "It's cause I wanna make sure their safe!" he said...I wonder if he ever got around to that. Playing the safety canard is a liberal favorite to shut down anything from the left. The local food not bombs people get their poo poo pushed in by cops all the time and liberals stand on the sidelines cheering because our "unhoused friends" deserve the same food safety regulations that protect the "rest of us," like feeding the homeless should require a commercial kitchen.
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Aug 4, 2018 14:39
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Calibanibal posted:P cool how Bernie supports planned parenthood, which is antiunion. Almost like he doesnt care about unions My former boss, who was a lead organizer for SEIU and embezzled thousands of dollars from the local in fake reimbursements for miles driven, was quietly let go and picked up by planned parenthood to lead organizing efforts here. The entire apparatus needs to go.
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Aug 4, 2018 19:10
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Agean90 posted:pretending there's a difference between economic politics and identity politics is what caused Dems to lose large parts of the country tbh Heads they win, tails they win. Heads they use narrow liberal idpol to successfully beat back left economics. Tails they win by discrediting the struggle against racism by using poc as a wedge against medicare for all or free college.
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megalodong posted:Anyone who thinks this isn't true should go take a look at NZ's healthcare system, where despite it being effectively free, Maori still have significantly worse healthcare outcomes due to racial biases in the system and cultural differences between the predominantly white doctors and Maori patients: Pretty much, poor poc get to choose between being unable to afford an indifferent white doctor who'll let you die in childbirth or having a single payer pay an indifferent white doctor who'll let you die in childbirth Agean90 posted:your giving far too much credit to the people who've done nothing but lose elections for the past 8 years. them "winning" lmao Democrats win when capital wins. At this point I don't think party leadership operationalizes success based on electoral victories anymore.
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etalian posted:It's probably because Obama ran a effective campaign and the case of Ohio was able to point out how his rescue plan was able to save OH auto industry plant jobs. Abuela fumbling the hispanic vote in Florida pretty much sealed the deal. That and their entire GOTV operation was a cloud based boondoggle where volunteers could log on and be fed a list of phone numbers to contact with a script that appears on your screen. Compare/contrast to obama 08 where we had a cushy office and staffers brought in qdoba or something every night to keep the troops motivated.
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Concerned Citizen posted:hillary had a very large field operation with tons of offices and staff, it wasn't just a website I'm sure she opened a ton of offices and had a lot of staffers on the payroll, however when it came to basic campaigning and GOTV her offices actively turned away canvassers and refused to give out yard signs.
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Concerned Citizen posted:they knocked millions of doors, somehow quote:In Michigan alone, a senior battleground state operative told HuffPost that the state party and local officials were running at roughly one-tenth the paid canvasser capacity that Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) had when he ran for president in 2004. Desperate for more human capital, the state party and local officials ended up raising $300,000 themselves to pay 500 people to help canvass in the election’s closing weeks. By that point, however, they were operating in the dark. One organizer said that in a precinct in Flint, they were sent to a burned down trailer park. No one had taken it off the list of places to visit because no one had been there until the final weekend. Clinton lost the state by 12,000 votes. Canvassing is labor intensive and runs low margins for consultants, unlike radio and television ads that are perfectly suited for the value added grift. There's also this: quote:In politics, much like anything else, victory has a thousand fathers and defeat is an orphan. A senior official from Clinton’s campaign noted that they did have a large staff presence in Michigan and Wisconsin (200 and 180 people respectively) while also stressing that one of the reasons they didn’t do more was, in part, because of psychological games they were playing with the Trump campaign. They recognized that Michigan, for example, was a vulnerable state and felt that if they could keep Trump away ― by acting overly confident about their chances ― they would win it by a small margin and with a marginal resource allocation. Salami slicing your own election chances so the consultants can get paid, lmao
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Yinlock posted:like she had the entire obama gotv operation that even propelled lovely 2012 obama to victory, but even that small expenditure was too much waste Obama worked backwards from the conclusion that he was going to lose and everyone on his campaign allegedly was told they needed to work like they were going to lose until final results confirmed that they were going to win. Whereas hillary seemed to conclude that she was going to win and worked from that angle to create as much staff infighting and loyalty cliques as possible to see who she could trust to bring with her to the white house
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Main Paineframe posted:did she? i thought obama held onto his operations and largely didn't share them with the rest of the party iirc obama also installed one of his OFA goons at the new organizing institute and gutted it from the inside out
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Aug 6, 2018 01:17
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WampaLord posted:I would love all of those things, yes. all that is left binding this country together is a terrifying, too big to fail nuclear arsenal and a bunch of new deal and great society programs the democrats want to carve up
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Aug 6, 2018 03:26
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Crowsbeak posted:Ah, one of my "favorite" of the dnd libs. Always suggesting that if you didn't agree with his liberalism you were secretly racist. It's the most pernicious weaponizing of minority identities and they have literally no problems talking past you or pretending like the poc left (black agenda report etc.) don't exist
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Crowsbeak posted:Also this makes me happy. It's gone down in flames every time they've put it on the ballot in this state. More interesting is racist shitbucket St. Louis County prosecutor Bob McCulloch losing to insurgent Wesley Bell in a stunning upset. Klansman McCulloch has served 8 consecutive terms since 1990. Everyone expected him to win and I'm glad he lost.
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GalacticAcid posted:I’ve plugged this a few times but We Will Shoot Back by Akinyele Umoja is a pro read that’s going to scare some liberals man
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Yeah I mean I think that is a very fair point, which centers on the whole "civility" debate that's sort of ongoing right now. The Dems routinely "reach across the aisle" to bad-faith actors who never have and never will extend the same courtesy. The "when they go low, we go high" political strategy is uh, clearly unsuccessful. And the Dems clearly still believe that they need the support of Corporate America to implement their policies, and that calm explanations of those policies will win on their own merits. Both of which are flatly wrong. But despite that, I don't see any of that being the same as being "opposed to universal healthcare." There's two separate things here: being able to get the message out, and being able to get poo poo done in congress. All of the relying on bad-faith actors to come around falls into the first, passing healthcare reform falls into the latter. Again, you have to ask the question "if we're on incremental change, then to what end." I don't think anyone is satisfied with the ACA as it is today, nor was it ever supposed to be the final answer to healthcare in this country once and for all. So what are we building towards? I admit I haven't really seen the Trump-era alternative that M4A is supposedly up against. Is it the public option? Idk, maybe if there was something Pelosi was pushing instead it would be more clear to me. But Krugman is right too: she has accomplished a ton, and gets a ton of flak anyways. The Dems are really bad at handling that, it happened to HRC too, pretty much since the day she lost to Obama. But as much as I want to see more progressive policies in place, no amount of Republican sneering and baseless poo poo-flinging is going to make me turn on the centrists for not turning left hard enough. I'm just not seduced by those talking points, and I don't see the benefit of doing so.
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I mean, Hermanson evens admits that isn't true in his op-ed: "Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi is a leading proponent of only incremental change to our broken healthcare system..." I guess the question then becomes "to what end," or "incremental change towards what?" If you're against Pelosi in general, I suppose it would be easy to say the end is some corporatist, third-way outcome. But that sort of ignores the fact that she helped to found the Progressive Caucus, and got ACA passed. Did it have the government option? No, of course it didn't. She's politically savvy enough to know that that wasn't the time or place to put all of the chips in. I would say that the ACA has pushed us further towards the M4A conversation being politically viable. And it was a huge achievement in of itself. But I don't think that op-ed offers "proof" that Pelosi is properly opposed, it just talks about the ways that she did other things instead (which, again, have gotten us closer to M4A). If you want overhaul and not reform, sure, fine, but I think that sort of ignores the political climate we're in, and the fact that Pelosi has a proven track record of getting poo poo done in that climate.
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arguing with some rich kid I went to school with who is now an urban planner. his father used to call obama a _________ all the time in the car and he was too chickenshit to confront him over it.
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Grimoire posted:"Urban Planner" eh? Link him that Cities Skylines anti-freeway vid. Plz post results The thing is the guy claims to be a social democrat but always ends up backtracking like a MLK Jr. style white moderate who shrugs and says better things aren't possible, and either blames voters or engages in the mysticism of the "political environment" to explain why he's an adult and therefore Right. So I could link him to that anti-freeway vid and he'd agree because we both grew up in a rust belt shithole that was smashed and blasted apart by freeways but he'd shrug and claim freeways are the best we can do.
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SKULL.GIF posted:
The fact that they're so arrogant that they feel no need to pander to voters is staggering. Even the hilariously corrupt CCP pays lip service to how many millions they lifted out of poverty this year and how they need to do more next year. Meanwhile democrats are so actively spiteful and hubristic they literally dared you to stay home against Trump and his band of nazis.
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Gunshow Poophole posted:my liberal jewish friends have been on a trip of saying the nominal American capital-L Left is anti-semitic because institutions like the DSA don' tmention Jewish people ENOUGH DSA never mentions chinese people ever so they must be sinophobic Oh wait
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Eleven Eleven posted:I'd also like to add that violent revolution often has a side effect of disproportionately harming minorities that are often lumped in with the "elites" such as queer people, Jews and other ethnic/religious minorities. this country did a bang up job massacring chinese, banning the immigration of women from asian countries (page act), and having progressive white unions scab out Chinese workers in California and Washington during the golden age of progressivism in the 19th century. I don’t think violent revolution would be significantly worse than state directed violence (or turning a blind eye to white mobs) in earlier eras of history. the post 1965 era is the longest so far whites have gone from massacring or lynching nonwhite people, but that is no means representative of this country’s 400 year legacy of settler colonial violence as a whole.
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Main Paineframe posted:much like the often-fraught relationship between Asian-Americans and African-Americans, its something that needs to be treated with a little bit of nuance rather than just making wide, sweeping statements yellow peril and black power were indistinguishable in tone during the 1960s and 70s. the black panther party got started selling maos red book in Berkeley for example, and their policy platform influenced the formation of Chinese radical left groups like the red guards in San Francisco and I Wor Kuhn in NYC. at the same time, the liberal white media began pushing the model minority myth (first use of the term was in TIME Magazine: “those Asian American whiz kids”) and using them as a wedge to divide and conquer. add in a few more decades of nonprofit and foundation driven woke politics and the democrats cynically adopting a “black faces in high places” policy of tokenism and representation. you end up now with the memory hole worthy concept that black and asian people have always been in conflict with each other, and the asian american liberal political base being almost indistinguishable from the white one when it comes to white guilt and patronizing black people as the platonic ideal of victims. Sheng-Ji Yang posted:yes every revolution and socialist/labor movement will be exactly like they were 100 years ago. things dont change. history is the same always. not attacking those moments specifically, just adding context to that idiots idea that revolutions are bad for the marginalized when this country’s glorious history has been completely abysmal for the marginalized CAPS LOCK BROKEN fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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Larry Parrish posted:thanks for saying this smarter than me because I knew that post screamed 'brainwashed liberal racist' but I didn't have the specific knowledge to back up why I was thinking that no problem, check out the black agenda reports archives if you want to see more about the cooperation between asian Americans and the radical black left. I’m not black and will never understand what being black in America entails, solidarity between poc will come from advocating for our shared class interests and not any kind of disingenuous liberal pandering (“eat each other’s food!”)
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