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Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
do workers syndicates like Mondragon and the like exist in Brazil? obviously not on the same level since they're the largest there is, but can they exist on a legalistic level?

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Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Plutonis posted:

Lula started his career with the CUT syndicate in the late 70s and 80s which while still is the largest one in the country it got extremely weakened during the last few years.

I was referring specifically to business' owned by workers with 'syndicalism', or does the CUT do both trade union work and seek to accumulate capital? Also, any particular reason for the weakening you can think of beyond the usual corporate capitalist poo poo the temer government has been up to?

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
a burning capstone to a presidency of magnificent misery and oppression. goondolences

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
goddamn brazil elections are a rollercoaster

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
also good luck insallah

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:



i wonder what the campaign strategy is going to be :thunk:

it's gonna be greatr

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Larry Parrish posted:

Consensus is a liberal brian virus. There has never been and never will be complete consensus on anything. There is only the seizure, protection, and execution of power.

you mean the demand for absolute consensus. consensus is the end product of democracy, demanding absolute consensus is the tactic to deny consensus. much like the principle that our leaders ought be the most righteous and compassionate of those they lead, yet libs constantly accuse socialist leaders of moral offenses on a regular basis as an excuse to deny giving power of the leaders of the working classes. consensus is the prequisite of socialist power, the better we can establish consensus, more power the socialist movement can hold. which is the main reason I believe neural interfaces will not only allow an entirely new kind of socialist movement to arise, but that without the technological telepathy enabled by them, communism cannot be established

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Badger of Basra posted:

trump has not yet set up domestic death squads

ins'allah

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

nerdz posted:

It's a mix of depressed turnout (the lowest in 20 years), a strong rejection of the party that was in power for the last 16 years and a full-on crisis in all sectors

but yeah, sadly the biggest reason is that people actually want fascism.

I also see a severe lack of class consciousness at play right now. Two more anecdotes:

- My wife's cousin has gone all in on bolsonaro, especially for his plans on security issues (basically give a license to kill to cops). Plot twist: he's an ex-con.

- I overheard the mailman talking about how happy he is that bolsonaro is getting elected. In Brazil the first thing that comes to mind when you think "poo poo that will get immediately privatized" is the postal service. Not only that, the proposed worker rights changes are hilariously bad (did anyone read about the "carteira de trabalho verde a amarela?")

I keep wondering what happens when you combine bolsonaros plans for giving everyone a gun and then disappointing all the working class fools voting for him by loving up worker's rights and privatising everything

ACCELERATIONISM!

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Jawohl

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

nerdz posted:

I had to explain to this Right wing dude I know that was flirting with alt right ideas and being a "western chauvinist" that most of the alt right do not consider Latin America as part of the West. It did gently caress all to change his views but his reaction was funny

i would actually really like to hear more about right winger reactions when told that most europeans, or whatever they think of as being their urheimat or... what do call north america plus europe? anyway, if youd ask northern nazis the question theyd tell you they do not consider brazilians to be of the same race as them. i really wanna see the look on some brazilian nazi when they find out that they themselves are actually the ones who get the short end of the race hierarchy stick and not their slightly browner neighbour they hate and envy

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Bro Dad posted:

Nazis in places there shouldnt be (like latin america or russia) are just extreme authoritarian nationalists whos thoughts on actual nazis is "the ss looks cool and i hate jews" and/or "hitler did right for the germans, so a similar guy will do the same for us"

oh I agree, i know it’s an idpol thingy, i’m just fascinated by that moment when those peopel find out what thought was their identity (in case of nazis, being white) isnt shared by the people they thought they shared their identity with. i have this fantasy of some brazilian nazi walking up to some norse looking guy with a thors hammer around his neck and starting with that whole ”us white peopel, w need to stink together” spiel and being told in confusion ”but brazilians arent whote???”

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

This happens all the loving time online. White Europeans especially love to tell rich Brazilians that they're not white.

huh. i guess i just need to start reading nazi reddit

funny thing, swedish eugenics people used to write a lot about how finns were actually asiatics cuz they got slanty eyes or something like that. trauma about losing finland to russia i guess

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

joepinetree posted:

and then sent me so many insults my cousins had to take away his phone from him.

lmao. i guess im just lucky the russians killed everybody in my extended family

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

punk rebel ecks posted:

Why is everything either authoritarian right with Bolsonaro or authoritarian left with Venezuela with people? It's not like there aren't other alternatives.

yeah, you can also go to jail and hang out with Lula before joining with Allende after bolsonaro takes over

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
goondolences to everyone. might wanna consider starting a militia for the now inevitable hilarity

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Kurnugia posted:

i really wanna see the look on some brazilian nazi when they find out that they themselves are actually the ones who get the short end of the race hierarchy stick and not their slightly browner neighbour they hate and envy

lol

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
seriously though brazilgoon comrades , ya'll need to go buy a gun now. the civil wario looks pretty inevitable to my ignorant rear end at this point

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
if you have any ideas for overthrowing a literal fascist junta, id be glad to hear them. im fully aware how previous attempts at that have gone so...

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

spivak posted:

Sorry man, didn't mean to be rude. I just feel that the whole situation is so godamn hopeless, and people that I love will suffer a lot even in the best case scenario.

I didn't think you were being rude comrade and I truly sympathise. me I just wish i had something worth saying about all this poo poo. and maybe a body that wouldn't immediately auto-immunize itself into pieces without insanely expensive protein meds so I could actually do something except arrogantly preach to comrades who actually have to live under fascism

Never Surrender

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

fspades posted:

pardon me for asking but are you american?

HardDiskD posted:

i mean i could buy a gun and commit suicide via military police, but i dont think that will help anyone

i meant in the sense that if that starts to occur, irrespective of your personal preferences, your ability to acquire firearms will get limited. ergo, you might not be able to buy guns later if we assume that violence is a possibility in brazil.
and im finnish, and i wasn't joking when i said im ignorant

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Kurtofan posted:

The israel worship is really weird to me

the fascist link with israel is perplexing, but there it is?

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

this is fuckinng amazeballs level of political discourse

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
translations posted are helpful since then everyone who needs one doesn't have to do it individually

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Negrostrike posted:

There's a translation literally just under the tweet though?

i was pointing it out in general, not abouty plutonis brazil milindustr updates specific. but also it's not imminently clear whether it's a translation or a funny post in comment. since reality is nowadays indistinguishable from funny internet posting and all that

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Elias_Maluco posted:

While I would love to see that, I dont think is gonna be that easy. They are not going down without a fight

And even if he does falls now, what would happen? Nothing good, most probably

well, ask yourself who exactly could have the power to remove him and you got your list of potential successors. the same guys responsible for imprisoning Lula, incidentally. so yes, probably nothing good

butt, it does mean that they're gonna have to employ power directly and openly. and if the Party can actually beat the cops on the streets, there's going to be an opportunity to seize power

Lula libre

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
so whats the clock looking like for bolsonaro regime devolving into internal institutional power struggles

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

get that OUT of my face posted:

by "internal power struggles" you mean "the very serious military men in bolso's administration starting to plot a coup"

yes. but those are usually preceded with different factions slapfighting it out in the bureaucracies for control over state institutions

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

mila kunis posted:

holy poo poo. is there an actual reaction against this or are the institutions so thoroughly corrupted and anti left that nothing will happen

well I was betting on moro getting to be the face of the regime after the golden shower coup on bolsonaro necessitated him resigning, but i guess it's the moron&co whos going be the one getting peed on instead

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
regime factions are probably going to use this as an excuse for settling internal power struggles and that'll be it. I don't think public corruption (even blatant like brazil) nowadays rarely leads to anything without a regime faction backing a purge

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

mila kunis posted:

i assume unless its left wingers doing the corruption, in which case they get coup'd

Yeah!

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
good luck and have fun with the leaky butt

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
managing to let things get that bad is p impressive tho

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
all socdems are bastards

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Victory Position posted:

you know, I never considered the fact that trees don't pay taxes



its brazils turn to burn the world and let me tell you, theyre right and i cant wait for the results

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

bagual posted:

and now over 20 policemen invaded the hospital where the girl died looking for the bullet.

gently caress as i wrote this it got through to my internet desensitized brain just how extremely hosed we are :(

the fact that they see the need to do something like that does show that they're actually getting a bit worried about things like the media writing that the hospital found a police bullet in the girls brain. so... maybe thewe will be a really bloody revolution really soon and uhh

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

dnd....

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
oh don't be like that, there'as plenty of on the go fasc around to do a bit of couping up

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Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
wait... who were these two again?

e: i mean i know who glenn is, but whos that other guiy

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