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This'll be just like hardware TnL in 2001 and DX10 in 2006. The first gen will be kinda neat and come with a steep premium and quickly be obsolete and useless as by the time enough adoption is there to justify developing for it, faster cards for a lower price will exist. although those 8800 cards lasted for a while because they were just enormous motherfucks that required a small nuclear reactor to run. also just like both those cases people are dismissing the new technology out of hand when it's not immediately useful, although in this case the lack of demos is odd. TnL and DX10 both had tons demonstrable content early on. those were also both industry advancements not just one side so i guess it depends on if AMD follows along or this becomes Hairworks for Lighting conclusion: rtx is meaningless until the 8800GT 2 is out. SRQ fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Nov 5, 2018 |
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it seems that the 2080 is still too slow to really make the raytracing practical technology (though that may be a misunderstanding of what has so far been reported), and we are not where we were vis-à-vis moores law now that we were in 2001. as such it seems unlikely to make it into a next generation of consoles (and perhaps not even a next one after that), which means any broad game support is 10+ years away
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:it seems that the 2080 is still too slow to really make the raytracing practical technology (though that may be a misunderstanding of what has so far been reported), and we are not where we were vis-à-vis moores law now that we were in 2001. as such it seems unlikely to make it into a next generation of consoles (and perhaps not even a next one after that), which means any broad game support is 10+ years away sooo... you're saying nvidia tricked people into paying massive markups for hardware that will never be able to be used for what it was designed for and is only slightly better than last gen hardware for current tasks?
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Sniep posted:what about RTX DirectX raytracing is included in the windows 10 October 2018 update that is currently in limbo
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Condiv posted:sooo... that’s one way of looking at it, sure. There’s different ways of slicing and dicing the same data https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html https://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU18/2304 extremely overkill vs extremely overkill and then some Red Dead on consoles is locked to 30FPS so an example of a next gen task would be a PC port with an unlocked frame rate and higher resolutions. Re: Raytracing - Any new tech is going to have a chicken and egg problem, Nvidia has to introduce the hardware and they paid to incorporate RT into a new high profile game, maybe Unreal Engine will have support in an upcoming version? Coffee Jones fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Nov 6, 2018 |
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I don't think we'll know whether the rtx stuff is just a gimmick until at least the series after these. The neural-net stuff screams fad-chasing to me.
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why don't graphics cards support hdmi-cec? my computer should 100% be able to turn on the tv automatically when it is woken from sleep, goddamnit
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https://www.pulse-eight.com/p/104/usb-hdmi-cec-adapter E: this does not do what you ask and i am confused as to why it's hard to do
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Sagebrush posted:why don't graphics cards support hdmi-cec? do TVs not typically support DPMI?
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SRQ posted:https://www.pulse-eight.com/p/104/usb-hdmi-cec-adapter right? like, we've had wake-on-lan for like thirty fuckin years or something. why can't we just have wake-on-hdmi? the tv does already support it, apparently, just that the graphics card doesn't have any way of sending the signal. Notorious b.s.d. posted:do TVs not typically support DPMI? i don't know what that is.
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why isn't power on via usb a thing. the power macintosh G3 actually did that with the keyboard why did it stop beign a thing.
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Sagebrush posted:why don't graphics cards support hdmi-cec? in my experience cec barely loving works even when both devices support it
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:in my experience cec barely loving works even when both devices support it ceo seems to be almost entirely optional features for the manufacturers to implement so nobody ever implements the same stuff
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my chromecast works well with my ancient sarnsung 32" tv and can turn it on and off. also the remote can control playback, thank you hdmi-cec.
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or "anynet+ magic" as samsung liked to call it back in 2007
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:in my experience cec barely loving works even when both devices support it it works great on my apple tv 4k
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cec works like 90-95% right for me.
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Xaris posted:so like as an average idiot joe myself, no AMDs are not really bad. they are video cards that do the exact same poo poo as nVideo. although whether they do “Ray Tracing” as well as $700 RT cards will take a few years to reach a verdict. bare in mind Ray Tracing is NOT on the low or mid range cards, just the very expensive ones. AMD today announced 7nm GPUs with 1TB/s bandwidth and HBM2 and all kinds of stuff. again i don’t really care if they have the highest-benchmarking card on the block today, i actually care most about future-proof technology that doesn’t leave you with 3.5/4GB of VRam when the consoles all had 8GB shared GDDR5 like a couple years ago. take a look at the history of nVidium cards and you can see whatever you want to see. it depends really on what timeframe you look at. over-heating problems, bad drivers, super behind schedule, way too expensive, etc. if you adjust the dates on this hypothetical comparison, it looks the other way; Geforce is more powerful and arrives just when you’re planning to upgrade, and it’s AMDs cards that are playing catch-up, awaiting better drivers to showcase their true potential, and so on. in fact this is where AMD is outdone by nValida, and basically my whole thesis: nVidia is able to portray a very narrow sample of performance highlights and capture mindshare at launch, whereas AMD may lead in technology and even performance, but doesn’t “sell” their strengths, which sometimes don’t show themselves until months or years after the chip debuts. but just look at the RT launch. there is no software. it’s entirely a matter of nVidia’s deep pockets and marketing ethics that they seem to have the equivalent of great console launches; buzzword-laced products that pull ahead using a mixture of yesterday’s technology and emphasis on re-branding that tech in blatant benchmark rigging. this is the elephant in the room, and most companies and careers in tech journalism are fated based on how well you can keep it this weird open secret.
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Sagebrush posted:why don't graphics cards support hdmi-cec? i'd be happy if the tv, that was already on, noticed when the computer woke up from sleep mode without having to be powercycled
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intel nucs turn on and off the tv via hdmi why can’t nvidia
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it probably costs like 2 cents to license turning a tv on/off or something
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why is your nvidia card connected to a tv
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incels interlinked posted:it works great on my apple tv 4k  although it has to be directly connected. if it goes through anything on its way to the tv then the cec stops working or at least it does in my experience
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My Linux Rig posted:
the atv4 as well, but sometimes itll slip into sleep mode and forget the tv, which is baffling KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:why is your nvidia card connected to a tv the only real reason: a very nice motion smoothed excel spreadsheet is best viewed in 60 inches
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Agile Vector posted:the atv4 as well, but sometimes itll slip into sleep mode and forget the tv, which is baffling excel is a better video player than vlc
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after checking out VLC for the first time in years i wouldn't doubt it. poo poo looks ancient was it excel that snuck a 3D game engine in one release?
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Agile Vector posted:was it excel that snuck a 3D game engine in one release?
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nVidia drivers causing BSODs well i never
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anyone talking about nvidia's stock plunge? i was just checking prices and came across it https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/11/06/why-nvidia-stock-lost-25-in-october.aspx kinda baffling considering their recent popularity. i think it's the lowest its been since last year still
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Good Sphere posted:anyone talking about nvidia's stock plunge? i was just checking prices and came across it pretty easy to see the issue, in the one-two of crypto mining bullshit finally dying down and a lot of companies launching into custom machine learning hardware. nvidias pricing was high under some weird assumptions that they'd have a lasting foothold and revenue stream in those two areas, there is only so large a market for high-end graphics in itself.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:pretty easy to see the issue, in the one-two of crypto mining bullshit finally dying down and a lot of companies launching into custom machine learning hardware. nvidias pricing was high under some weird assumptions that they'd have a lasting foothold and revenue stream in those two areas, there is only so large a market for high-end graphics in itself. i thought the crypto mining thing making it drop happened last year, but possibly it echoed with people finally switching to custom hardware? it seems like they forecasted this drop too trying to make other services appealing other than graphics like super computing
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:pretty easy to see the issue, in the one-two of crypto mining bullshit finally dying down and a lot of companies launching into custom machine learning hardware. nvidias pricing was high under some weird assumptions that they'd have a lasting foothold and revenue stream in those two areas, there is only so large a market for high-end graphics in itself. You can also get cloud instances with GPU acceleration for tensorflow and stuff. Are those GPUs being made by nvidia, or someone else? The market is more than just graphics if you count all machine learning/AI stuff, but idiots running bitcoin probably dwarfed both those markets.
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ADINSX posted:You can also get cloud instances with GPU acceleration for tensorflow and stuff. Are those GPUs being made by nvidia, or someone else? The market is more than just graphics if you count all machine learning/AI stuff, but idiots running bitcoin probably dwarfed both those markets. cuda largely means nvidia has the Enterprise gpgpu stuff secured, but custom designs for the deep learning look set to encroach on that, and tbqh i expect aws is a thorn in their side in that amazon no doubt pushes a bit on price, and most outfits wont buy huge stacks of GPUs they can't keep busy anyway when the cost is similar or less getting aws instances as needed
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